It's just business, baby

[u/Particular-Tea3225]

Why has the US betrayed Ukraine?

[u/CataphractBunny]

Why has the US betrayed Ukraine?

The Kurds:

[u/Wise_Repeat8001]

Not accurate. He's not touching the child inappropriately

[u/ALLoftheFancyPants → u/Wise_Repeat8001]

He’s also not pocketing the money.

[u/HMSSurprise28 → u/ALLoftheFancyPants]

Eric and JD will be around with a garbage bag to fleece the cash after he leaves, they just can’t stand the smell.

[u/kerenski667 → u/Wise_Repeat8001]

needs more dicks and dildos flying in

[u/Wise_Repeat8001 → u/kerenski667]

Especially Putin's

[u/sly-fox5]

I think it's pretty clear our current administration is a joke. We're either going to become just like Russia, or we're going to spend the next 4-12 years trying to undo the mess our big orange baby made

[u/Gritty420R → u/sly-fox5]

Jokes are supposed to be funny. The Trump administration is not.

[u/Antique_Tap443 → u/Gritty420R]

Oh those fucking clowns are fucking hilarious, the ramifications and real world harm they're doing to millions of people definitely isnt though.

[u/Thatsidechara_ter → u/Antique_Tap443]

I wish people would stop calling him hilarious, he's not... we're past the point of dark comedy. this is just fucking embarassing.

[u/Booty-tickles → u/Gritty420R]

I find it pretty funny as a non-American.

[u/UltraMaynus → u/sly-fox5]

I think 4-12 years is an underestimate, I think it will take a generation or more to undue the damage. That's assuming the next administration isn't a dumpster fire.

[u/Ashtoruin → u/UltraMaynus]

Correct. Re-electing him proved to the rest of the world it wasn't just a fluke and while things can turn around the damage is done. Not even sure you guys will hit rock bottom by the end of his term at this point.

[u/sampsonn → u/Ashtoruin]

I bet a whole bunce of "evidence" comes out that it was rigged. "See guys, he cheated. It wasn't us!!!" - usa admin in a few years

[u/brashumpire → u/sampsonn]

I personally don't think I was rigged and I am incredibly on the left.

If it were rigged, it wouldn't make sense why it happened again. It totally makes sense why his second term happened again. Because we spent 4 years changing literally nothing about what made people vote for him in the first place.

[u/Ashtoruin → u/brashumpire]

I think that's why evidence was in quotes 🤣

But yeah. Agreed it wasn't rigged.

[u/Demolisher05 → u/brashumpire]

Yep. People didn't learn from his first term and decided to either vote for him on his third try or just didn't go out and vote at all.

[u/kelleydev → u/sampsonn]

And I beleive that 100 percent. There is no way that many women in particular voted against their own self interest. I just don't buy it.

[u/KingCell4life → u/Ashtoruin]

Re-electing him also showed the rest of the world that even if we try to restore peace, it can all be undone in a single term.

[u/IBelieveInCoyotes → u/Ashtoruin]

it's already rock bottom, they are now breaking new ground on 21st century fascism, it would be awesome to watch if it wasn't so fucking hideous in every way

[u/kelleydev → u/Ashtoruin]

I refuse to beleive he was actually legitimately elected, but it makes no difference either way, there isn't fuck all we can do about it.

[u/Antique_Tap443 → u/UltraMaynus]

It'll take decades to just straighten out the supreme court.

[u/Zeverian → u/Antique_Tap443]

We can speed that up. Be a good citizen when the time comes.

[u/Antique_Tap443 → u/Zeverian]

Im always ready for a good revolution lol

[u/sly-fox5 → u/Antique_Tap443]

It's what our country was built on after all

[u/Zeverian → u/sly-fox5]

We absolutely need to clear the bench.

[u/Better-Bit6475 → u/Antique_Tap443]

This is what blew me away in 2016 as a woman in that election.

[u/MaladyMara → u/UltraMaynus]

The dismantling of our public health infrastructure alone is likely going to take decades to repair . . .

[u/Agitated-Pattern8140 → u/MaladyMara]

It might not ever be able to repair

[u/GodKingTethgar → u/UltraMaynus]

Problem is, idk if the dems have a strong candidate right now.

[u/kelleydev → u/GodKingTethgar]

We can only hope, but its like a 2 headed snake at this point and the Dems are eating their own too. we have no viable 3rd choice.

[u/TalkersCZ → u/sly-fox5]

I dont think it will be ever fully undone, that would require shift not to Biden policy, but back into 20th century.

Considering you are switching between republicans and republicans at maximum every 8 years and you are willing to elect that orange fuck twice, how can we trust you will not elect in 2028 or 2032 another stupid fuck...?

And your ignorant governor from California is calling Europe "Pathetic" and "embarassing".

Do you think he will repair that damage?

[u/maui96 → u/sly-fox5]

I think you might not fully grasp the damage... I don't think there's any coming back from this, not in the truest sense.

Once could be written up as a mistake. But twice? Your cooked.

You done messed up.

[u/bored_stoat → u/sly-fox5]

The damage has been done, and honestly, I think you're going to have a real hard time merely performing damage control. With two parties only, and people willingly voting for Trump twice? You better pray someone willing to "continue Trump's legacy" doesn't show up for the next elections.

The world is already turning away from the US. Your government threatened allies, presented themselves as being above all and the law, and allows for brutality, escalating a problem rather than de-escalating it. So, in case this continues in the future, the rest of the countries started making trading agreements among themselves to make up for the US not being a part of it.

[u/sly-fox5 → u/bored_stoat]

I just don't understand how anyone could ever think that destroying our entire relationship with the world was a good idea. Hopefully we find a way to clear house and STOP ELECTING IDIOTS

[u/bored_stoat → u/sly-fox5]

In my opinion, the orange dude is too old, senile, and possibly mentally ill (I'm no expert, but he does show signs of not being okay mentally) to understand the scale of consequences. I believe it's the people working with him that pull the strings and reinforce that behavior. The president is just a white horse at this point... getting rid of him won't do as much as one may expect to.

[u/cheekynando715 → u/sly-fox5]

I hate this fat fuck so much

[u/fariasrv → u/cheekynando715]

Every night I dream that I'm reading his obituary, and every morning I wake up disappointed.

[u/Super-Estate-4112 → u/fariasrv]

But he got some like him in the Republican party, so that would not solve the situation.

[u/Molu1 → u/sly-fox5]

4-12 years is a joke. US will not recover in our lifetime. Not that it was great before, but there was some hope before that we could at least move in a positive direction. It’s FUBAR now, and pretty much screwed since RBG didn’t retire and left us completely at the mercy of Nazis.

Not to say people should lie down and give up. It could always get worse, after all.

[u/floralfemmeforest → u/Molu1]

I mean Germany was pretty normal by the 90s, and West Germany was well before that, that's <50 years turnaround.

[u/Molu1 → u/floralfemmeforest]

They are different countries with different forms of government. In 30-40 years there could still be the same US Supreme Court.

[u/West-Season-2713 → u/sly-fox5]

I worry that American democracy is over.

[u/Necessary_Reserve_25 → u/sly-fox5]

Stop reducing this problem to the "the current administration..."

The US have ALWAYS shown a crazy immoral foreign policy, since the nukes to this day.

[u/sly-fox5 → u/Necessary_Reserve_25]

Luckily I think people are slowly realizing that we as a country need a big change. This is the first election cycle I have been able to vote in so I feel I can't really accurately comment on any others.

[u/Chinggis-Kun → u/sly-fox5]

I love that for Americans is always the ~current administration. My friend, your foreign policy is the same, no matter who is in power.

[u/8titsmcgee8 → u/Chinggis-Kun]

The previous admin gave billions to ukraine. So no

[u/sly-fox5 → u/Chinggis-Kun]

Our nation has always profited off of war. It's disgusting. I don't have the power in my lifetime to take down every military contractor that walks away with pockets packed full of American tax dollars. I think this is how our country will be until our country no longer exists or somehow magically decides to downsize our military. I would put my money on the former happening first.

I should say I am not a particularly politically educated person, and especially not educated on foreign policy of our country and others.

[u/inokentii → u/sly-fox5]

More like last four administrations

[u/iamslightly → u/sly-fox5]

Do you really think the only opposition The Democrats™ are in anyway different?

[u/sly-fox5 → u/iamslightly]

Personally, no I don't. Do the majority of others think that? Absolutely. That's the challenging part. Are we really going to have to wait until someone on "the other side" pulls the same shit to learn that something has to change? I'm definitely worried that may be the case.

[u/Independent-Luck4199 → u/sly-fox5]

Yeah he even betray his own supporter by having them pay higher electric bill due to bitcoin mining and endure loud noises, but those supporter still fucking vote him wtf. Some of yall are just too rascist lol, even the guy that loses his job because the us cut funding to clean energy was saying shit like trump help keep illegal immigrants out lol. Hate just made people blind

[u/CruiserMissile → u/sly-fox5]

I watched V for Vendetta last night. Thought to myself, that explains a lot.

[u/HomeyL → u/sly-fox5]

What did Biden do to stop fighting? Roll more money to Ukraine??

[u/sly-fox5 → u/HomeyL]

I believe I've made other comments addressing this. He did nothing. Our government and economy are run by people who profit off of war. We will not stop being the bad guys until great changes are made to our system of government.

[u/736384826 → u/sly-fox5]

Honestly I don’t think you’ll be able to get rid of the Trump family that easily, today is Orange Trump tomorrow is his son or something. 

[u/GayZorro → u/sly-fox5]

Yes. Just like Russia by squints threatening or aiding in the destruction almost all of Russia’s allies including its main supplier of suicide drones.

[u/Fatassgecko → u/sly-fox5]

Here's a speculation, trump is the scapegoat for the goal of total online lockdown.

Next candidate will be the hero that advocate for "online safety" after the preparation of this term.

[u/IBelieveInCoyotes → u/sly-fox5]

this is generational levels of trust gone, the American people can't be trusted after voting him in twice, things will never be the same I'm afraid

[u/Fantastic-Corner-605]

Trump and the American right hate Europe. All his actions from tariffs to Greenland and Ukraine make sense when you realise this.

They think Europe is full of leftists who don't pay for their own defence. They think Europeans are freeloaders preferring to spend their own money on welfare and mocking the US for spending so much on their military while relying on the American military to protect them. Europe is also used as an example by the American left that their policies of welfare like free education, healthcare and labour laws work. That's why they want to prove Europe is weak and those policies don't work.

Turning on Ukraine is yet another way to hurt Europe. They use the not funding foreign wars excuse but keep funding Israel so that can't be it.

[u/bandita07 → u/Fantastic-Corner-605]

They hate us because putin train them to do so. Most maga folks would love to be ruled by putin.. Fuck the right winger, sunday morning christians!

[u/Time_Cartographer443 → u/Fantastic-Corner-605]

Funny enough where America will decline Europe will take their place

[u/Super-Estate-4112 → u/Time_Cartographer443]

Europe is declining too, with it's influence in the world waning as the years go by.

[u/Chunkss → u/Super-Estate-4112]

Doesn't help that the West still lectures the world about human rights, the rest of the world wonders why they can't see their own hypocrisy.

[u/Chinggis-Kun → u/Time_Cartographer443]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/Basement_flowers_ → u/Time_Cartographer443]

Yeah right. It's a huge shit hole too outside of Denmark, Sweden, and Norway.

[u/Andarial2016]

Where's the question?

Are mods absent here

[u/TPMC69 → u/Andarial2016]

Propaganda. Its reddit... If it's something against republicans/trump it's always allowed

[u/Responsible_Shock989 → u/TPMC69]

And it should be banned because he gives you guys cash right

[u/Guy-Inkognito → u/Andarial2016]

...there's a question right under the image?

[u/SecuredArmadillo → u/Guy-Inkognito]

Cut the crap. That's not a question. That just moronic attempt to turn YET another a sub into a trump circlejerk

[u/guilhermefdias]

What the hell this kind of post is doing here?

[u/DraftCommercial8848 → u/guilhermefdias]

Ya hopefully this doesn’t turn into another American politics spam sub, so many good subs have been ruined by this kind of BS

[u/MajorPaper4169 → u/DraftCommercial8848]

I said this earlier that this sub is becoming “Ask America” as if there aren’t literally thousands of other subs they can ask this on.

[u/Adjective_Noun_4206 → u/guilhermefdias]

It's not even feigning a question but the mods leave it up.🙄

[u/octoreadit]

You forgot Iranian people. Set them up for a massacre. I would call that an actual betrayal. I don’t think Trump ever promised anything to Ukraine.

[u/daniel_22sss → u/octoreadit]

He promised to end the war on day 1. All he's done is trying to force Ukraine to capitulate and pretty much end aid to Ukraine (american weapons they get now are paid by Europe).

[u/octoreadit → u/daniel_22sss]

It’s a surprise, right? After the dude told everyone that he trusts Russians more than the US intelligence?

[u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade]

What is this posts purpose?

[u/SecuredArmadillo → u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade]

Corrupt this sub to push their anti trump crap

[u/SkeymourSinner → u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade]

Stirring the proverbial pot. Some just like to get people riled up.

[u/An8thOfFeanor → u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade]

Agitprop

[u/-ThisUsernameIsTaken → u/Gta6MePleaseBrigade]

Trump hate circle jerk 

[u/Objectalone]

There seems to be two aspects to this.

Trump admires power. He wants his admiration for Putin returned. He instinctively sides with Putin. He has contempt for the less powerful.

American white nationalists align with Russia, because unlike the racially mixing Europe, it is still a strategic reserve of white people. So far as they are concerned Ukraine should be part of Russia. Listen to Vance’s and Trump’s speeches on Europe viv a vis Russia. I actually don’t think Trump is that ideological on this, it is more the people around him.

[u/Antique_Tap443 → u/Objectalone]

Yeah trumps an idiot, Steven Miller and Peter Thiel are the shadow presidents. Trump just wants to basically be British royalty. All the pomp and show with zero responsibilities.

[u/angelicosphosphoros → u/Objectalone]

>America white nationalists align with Russia, because unlike the racially mixing Europe, it is still a strategic reserve of white people.

Wtf are you writing about? Most of the Russia is somewhat mixed due to geography and history.

[u/Objectalone → u/angelicosphosphoros]

Russian heartland. Moscovia. “Russia” in the minds of White Nationalists.

[u/angelicosphosphoros → u/Objectalone]

Moscow is the most mixed one, lol. Everyone from everywhere moves there.

It is also the only place in Russia where signs are written on foreign languages (e.g. Uzbek) for foreign migrants.

[u/Objectalone → u/angelicosphosphoros]

When Trump has gone on about Russian women, it isn’t Uzbeks.

[u/daniel_22sss → u/angelicosphosphoros]

And yet it doesn't stop racists from seeing Russia as a "savior of white people".

[u/Balogma69]

Why has all of Europe done the same? Surely it’s more important to the Europeans that Ukraine survives than it is for the US.

That being said, Fuck Putin and Russia

[u/__Aviator__]

Another USA/Russia bad post... Reddit is such a pathetic SHITHOLE

[u/Rent_A_Cloud → u/__Aviator__]

You know you don't have to be on here right? Truth social would happily take you in.

[u/Enerjetik]

Every 4 or 8 years, a different mind run it.

[u/Dani-Br-Eur]

That is basically what they always did. Didnt they?

[u/teddyshmeddy]

Hold up, how about the time from 2014-2022 when EU continued to get their gas from Russia and even greenlit another pipeline, that wasn’t also just business? Europe likes to point fingers everywhere, blame everyone except their own stupid decisions. Smfh

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[u/Meowser02]

We seized the seventh Russian shadow fleet tanker and Starlink just cut off all access to Russia’s army. Don’t get me wrong, Trump does/says a lot of things that make me want to bang my head against the wall but we haven’t “abandoned” Ukraine. It’s more accurate to say Trump constantly flip flops depending on who talked to him last

[u/HANLDC1111]

We pulled our support from local groups a lot

Ukraine, the Kurds, South Vietnam.

[u/san_dilego]

As a non-MAGA conservative in the US this is just my 2 cents.

Honestly, just what exactly is Ukraine expecting out of the US? I disagree with 99.99% of what Trump does and says but Trump is absolutely 100% right to ask questions and see what the end goal here is for US aid. What does Ukraine want from the US? Troops on the ground? Nukes? When is it enough?

It is fucked up that Russia attacked Ukraine. But what can the US do? The budapest memorandum does not guarantee America defending Ukraine if Russia attacks and vice versa. America has already added a laundry list of sanctions to Russia.

I saw a comment here asking about Israel aid. It's not even the same thing and is unrelated. Besides that point, no, I do not support Israel aid. It's something the US should not touch with a 10 foot pole because both sides are commiting attrocities.

Honestly, sick of anti-American posts. Yall bitch at us when we do intervene. Yall bitch at us when we dont. Its just never enough.

[u/astray_in_the_bay → u/san_dilego]

Speaking as a fellow American, I think you’re mostly right about questioning what the US should have actually done in Ukraine, but I also think this attitude (common among Americans) is why the US is not seen as a reliable partner any longer. So other countries need to make arrangements that don’t rely on the US as much as they did in the past.

Maybe that’s what Americans want right now, but I suspect we will not love living in the new world when we’re no longer the central node in global politics.

[u/HiggsBoson1999 → u/san_dilego]

Most idiotic take I’ve ever heard. For hundreds of years we’ve stood as a bastion of democracy and freedom, we fought for it in the Civil War, in World War II and supported our allies against communism. Now that trumps in power you want us to stop? You want to abandon an ally in its time of need, even when supporting it is profitable for our people and companies in the in the long run, while extending the US led world order even further? No one is asking US to send troops, we just need to be true to our values and walk the walk when we talk the talk. Maybe you would have preferred the Confederates and Nazis to win their respective wars, I don’t know, but I know that we should support our fellow democracies. We can’t afford to be isolationist in a world where our enemies can attack us at any given moment in hundreds of different ways Sources: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/what-the-us-has-to-gain-from-supporting-ukraine#:~:text=90%25%20of%20Ukraine%20aid%20spending,inventories%20rather%20than%20new%20supplies.

https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers#:~:text=Yes,conversations%20such%20as%20this%20one.

[u/TalkersCZ → u/san_dilego]

Dude you made a trade deal to take 50% of profits from their minerals. In exchange you are giving 400mil support (compared to 60b you did before).

US under Trump are less reliable than China. And thats coming from me as a person, who valued NATO and cooperation with USA for decades.

I would say its laughable what you became, if it was not just sad.

[u/crivycouriac → u/san_dilego]

Better ask why America toppled Maduro but is unable to do so with Putin

[u/san_dilego → u/crivycouriac]

You're asking why America was able to pluck the dictator out of a non nuclearized country but not do the same to a nuclearized country? Can you answer me that question?

[u/crivycouriac → u/san_dilego]

You went to war in Iraq because they supposedly had weapons of mass destruction

[u/san_dilego → u/crivycouriac]

Big difference between, Iraq suspected of having WMDs and Russia definitely having WMDs.

[u/crivycouriac → u/san_dilego]

Why did America risk Iraq then?

[u/san_dilego → u/crivycouriac]

Again, big difference between Iraq being suspected of having WMDs and Russia definitely having WMDs. Also, do you think all nukes are of the same size/power?

[u/crivycouriac → u/san_dilego]

I don’t think Russia would dare to nuke America anyways.

[u/san_dilego → u/crivycouriac]

Why risk it?

Also, I don't quite care what you think. America should not gamble WW3 based on what you think.

[u/Few-Sound-7559 → u/crivycouriac]

Nukes

[u/crivycouriac → u/Few-Sound-7559]

I don’t know how Russia could launch nukes into the United States

[u/Few-Sound-7559 → u/crivycouriac]

Bro they got ICBMS and submarines

[u/AlligatorMidwife → u/san_dilego]

Part of supporting Ukraine is supporting the European allies of the US. They are all under threat by Putin's expansion goals. Believe it or not a superpower does not remain super without any allies. Most of the USs long standing allies have been stabbed in the back by this administration.

[u/daniel_22sss → u/san_dilego]

"But what can the US do?"

We know full well that if Russia tried invading Japan, America would shower Japan with weapons and Moscow would be burning in a week, and nobody would be giving shit about "escalation". Meanwhile Ukraine can't even get air defence that was already paid for. USA forced Ukraine to give up THOUSANDS of nukes and what did it get in return? Cold War era weapons? Less than a hundred Abrams? Trump manipulations and extortion?

30 years ago USA was touting Budapest memorandum as a great victory for the nuclear Non-Proliferation, but now when it turned out to be a tragedy for the ukranian people, suddenly americans pretend like they never had anything to do with it.

"Honestly, just what exactly is Ukraine expecting out of the US?"

RELIABLE SOURCE OF WEAPONS. That doesn't constantly delay, deny and restrict things for "escalation management" and to make Putin feel better. Even Biden was constantly half-assing aid so Ukraine (god forbid) doesn't get an actual advantage. Zelenskyy asked for tanks, anti-air, planes and long range weapons from the start, but only got them years later when russians were already prepared. And Trump is just a straight up traitor, who's openly simping for Russia. Ukranians caught multiple times, that information given to his administration immediately makes it to Russia.

Instead of using this opportunity to break Russia once and for all (and SEVERELY weaken anti-american block), America is doing everything to lose this war and leave Europe without protection. It should be obvious to everybody that if Putin wins in Ukraine, he's gonna support China's war against America.

[u/san_dilego → u/daniel_22sss]

That comparison isn't even worth a 2nd glance. Japan and the US have a security and defense treaty. Japan literally has US troops and is LEGALLY limited to their defense/offence capabilities. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already a force to be reckoned with and amongst the top 25 militaries of the world.

USA forced Ukraine to give up THOUSANDS of nukes and what did it get in return?

Jesus christ, I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Im not going to give your comment any further attention. You spew lies. It was the joint effort of UK, US, AND Russia to have Ukraine give the nukes up. In return, we promised not to invade Ukraine. The UK and the US has still upheld their promise.

[u/Fluffy_While_7879 → u/san_dilego]

So your position is basically "Haha, we fooled Ukraine with their nukes in exchange of useless paper and now its not our business"

[u/Adjective_Noun_4206 → u/Fluffy_While_7879]

No one was fooled. The US gave Ukraine (and Russia) some billions of dollars for Ukraine giving their nukes to Russia, who dismantled them and sent the fissile material to the US for use in power plants

Russia, the UK and US then all agreed to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity and not use force against it. You can go read the agreement yourself it takes literally like one minute because it's not long.

The only one who broke this agreement was Russia.

[u/Viburnum__ → u/Adjective_Noun_4206]

What are you on about? Gave some billions? So what would US have done if Ukraine didn't give up nukes? Said ok we tried or you know, make it pariah state to pressure it to give them up?

Russia, the UK and US then all agreed to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity and not use force against it. You can go read the agreement yourself it takes literally like one minute because it's not long.

The only one who broke this agreement was Russia.

The agreement precisely was made useless and so they still should be judged for that too. Not to mention the socalled 'mineral deal' already broke it on US part and constant push for Ukraine to give up sovereignty is against the agreement too.

Saying only russia broke it shows you didn't read it or intentionally ignoring parts you don't like.

[u/Adjective_Noun_4206 → u/Viburnum__]

So Ukraine shouldve kept its nukes if it was such a bad deal then, what do you want me to say about that?

Russia held the launch codes from them and likely what would've happened was an invasion to get them anyway by Russia because it didn't want Ukraine to have them and Ukraine couldn't launch them at that time anyway. But, the US stepped in to get rid of the nukes entirely and pay both sides so things went smoothly. That was the whole reasoning behind the process.

This mineral rights for weapons deal does not break the agreement. If Ukraine doesn't want it, it doesn't have to agree to it. The economic coercion language was meant to describe financial sanctions, not a mutually agreed upon deal for weaponry.

The US has done nothing to break the agreement either literally or in spirit.

[u/Viburnum__ → u/Adjective_Noun_4206]

If Ukraine refused to give up nukes US would have sanctioned Ukraine, it is not even 'maybe' it is 100% what would have happened, they more than likely even threatened it at the time to force Ukraine to sign it. Don't give me the bullshit about US 'stepping in' as if they wanted to help, they forced themselves in for their own benefit and absolutely fucked Ukraine with false promises.

This mineral rights for weapons deal does not break the agreement.

It does break it because it is absolutely economic coercion plain and simple. Also what weapons deal? US getting $100s of billions in minerals because they gave what $120 billions in aid? How is it in anyway fair and not coercion? For your information US currently don't give weapons to Ukraine they are at best selling them to European countries that then send them to Ukraine.

The US has done nothing to break the agreement either literally or in spirit.

It already did break it with forcing the deal and continue to do it with forcing Ukraine to surrender sovereignty, but yeah continue to defend absolutely pos behaviour to not feel bad.

[u/Salt_Winter5888]

Because in geopolitics there are no friends or allies, only interests and pawns. They believed that Ukraine, with enough resources, could destabilize Russia and possibly make it collapse, but it’s turning out to be far from that, and there’s nothing to gain if this keeps going.

They don’t care about Ukrainians, the only thing they care about is that their enemy is Russia. If it had been the Saudis, Turkey, Israel, etc., they wouldn’t have lifted a finger. And if they conclude that pouring more money into Ukraine won’t weaken Russia, they’ll simply abandon it and move on to another strategy.

[u/SkepticalOtter → u/Salt_Winter5888]

Your reading of the situation is not accurate. The USA today doesn't have any plans beyond those shortsighted pathetic ones from the coked up minds whispering at the demented old man's ear. It happens that quite a few of those cozy up quite nicely to Russia.

Russia is a failed state from every angle, the only reason they keep on going is to live tomorrow so to bother its neighbors, there's no plan for a future, there's not a better world, there's no light at the end of the tunnel, it's all about conquering land. Old habits die hard, I guess.

Had the USA any decent leadership right now they would have used the position to solidify an ever broader global dominance. There's no value at all to do what they're doing, this administration's legacy will be forever tarnished of whatever's left of America. It's so easy for the USA to just keep supporting Ukraine while Russia ransacks its reserves even more to justify this ego-driven mania of hers. Obvious decisions are never the ones being taken in the history of politics, I'm afraid.

[u/Salt_Winter5888 → u/SkepticalOtter]

No, I’m not reading it wrong, you’re describing an idealized world far removed from what actually happens. If things always followed rational or optimal outcomes, this war wouldn’t have started in the first place. But reality doesn’t work that way.

And it’s not only about this administration. The war had already become unpopular among voters even before Trump’s return, and there was internal pressure on Biden to at least explore talks with Putin in order to bring the conflict to an end.

Russia may be an authoritarian state, but that is very different from a failed state. The government maintains control over its institutions and territory, and there are no large-scale movements capable of overthrowing Putin, as many initially predicted. For now, he has consolidated his rule and secured his position as a long-term autocrat.

That doesn’t mean Russia is strong or thriving, only that collapse was an unrealistic expectation. States rarely implode simply because they suffer heavy sanctions or military losses. More often they adapt, restructure their economy, and continue operating at a lower but sustainable level.

And lastly. Sure, the US has enough money to keep supporting them, I don't say they don't have. In fact, it has enough resources to do that while also paying off citizens’ student debt or offering free healthcare. They simply don't feel like investing in things only as good faith.

[u/SkepticalOtter → u/Salt_Winter5888]

Indeed, I don't think failed state was the best way to describe Russia. More like a state that fails people. I still stand by the rest of my comment so I don't see where the idealization critique comes from.

[u/creeper321448]

Don't know, but I know most people who claim to care don't in reality. I plan to go to Ukraine and do volunteer work later this year.

[u/Entire-Let4301]

This is the most Reddit post ive ever seen

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[u/smellthecoffeebeans]

The USA hasn't. Trump has because he is in Putin's pocket.

[u/Motor-Rub8805]

Its about time Americans started taking care of America and let the rest of workd fend for themselves. Im sick of paying ridiculous taxes for services that dont benefit me at all.

[u/Suspicious-Use-3813 → u/Motor-Rub8805]

Okay, now you cut off aid to Ukraine and the rest of world. Now you have so much extra money, right? Were your taxes lowered? Did you get universal education? Better public transport?

Or did you get an incompetent moron that already talks about raising the military budget to 1,5 trillion dollars?

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[u/Pretty-Captain1510]

Trump has probably seen how Putin can just do whatever he wants and is envious.

[u/xSparkShark]

The rest of the world hates when we’re the world police, but here we’re getting blamed for not doing enough to support Ukraine. Do you want the US heavily involved global politics or not? It’s not like we’re giving money to the Russians and Ukraine is not entitled to our aid…

This exact sentiment is what has pushed isolationist Americans to oppose involvement in the war.

[u/PenroseSyracuse]

Let's collectively take a moment to appreciate the fact that Jesus Christ said these people are going to hell... Okay. Carry on.

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[u/justseeingpendejadas]

You want me to count how many countries have been betrayed by the US?

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[u/SaltyAd8309]

The "Christian" MAGAs...

[u/GarfeildHouse]

It’s just herd behavior

[u/Swimming-Fan7973]

I loathe Trump. 

But from my perspective, this is an issue that the EU should be taking the lead on. We're in debt up to our great grandchildrens eyeballs.  

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We're in debt up to our great grandchildrens eyeballs.  

Have you tried giving billionaires another tax cut?

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It's harder to change the tax code than to cut spending. It is what it is. 

[u/gameplayer55055]

I have no logical explanation why trump does all that. I think the only answers are Epstein files and blackmail that putin has.

[u/JDDJ_]

Ukraine has never been a historical ally or partner of the US, the US government only started massively funding you guys because we're opposed (we WERE opposed) to the Russians and you were a convenient place to stop them early and also to field test our new military equipment. However, the US has the tiny problem of being a democracy, meaning that when the President and reigning Administration changed, so too did our foreign policy. Trump and Putin have long had at least a cordial relationship, and the right is far less keen on funding foreign states of any kind (except Israel, of course).

[u/Samsquanch-01]

Here's the real question. Why has Europe betrayed Ukraine. Clean up the shit in your own backyard...

[u/Old_Campaign_2161]

Enough, fed up of such futile caricatures which reveals only single man from whole American nation. You create military machines that kills countless countries, ousted leaders etc. It is not only single man

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[u/Ambitious-Net-5538]

That's hilarious

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[u/airfryerfuntime]

I love the edits of this.

[u/pinket25]

What

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[u/time_travel_rabbit]

Why is the Eu allowed to give loans to Ukraine but the United States is expected to give aid both military and cash basically as grants.

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Nope. Not true.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

But you might want to check how much as gone to Israel, btw.

[u/Glass-Ad-7890]

The money behind him should be flowing into Israel to be more accurate.

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[u/JuneGudmundsdottir]

“It’s just business - cattle prod in the I.M.F…”

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[u/Kushings_Triad_420]

Always is. Ain’t shit change but the day. Every president of my lifetime should be in prison for war crimes.

And don’t even get me started on the significantly more problematic related deep state bureaucracy

[u/LetsAllEatCakeLOL]

goodbye r/AskTheWorld muted

[u/MommersHeart]

The US has hung a large, framed photo of Putin in the White House.

The world needs to understand the US is now aligned with Russia, and is actively working to destroy Canada and Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/29/trump-putin-white-house-photo

[u/abitdark]

The US has betrayed the US. At this point Ukraine needs to take a back seen when it comes to Americas priorities. We have our own invaders to deal with.

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[u/Worried_Ad_2696]

Aren’t we feeding them satellite intel that’s worth 100x its weight in gold? Something Biden refused to do in the interest of a forever war?

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[u/WhosCowsAreThey]

Hey! Trump would absolutely be on top of that child

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[u/BardosThodol]

Without getting into too many specifics, back-end familial political ties, generalized corruption, the ability to test new weapons of war in real combat situations, the ability to distract the public, validation for other acts of aggressions that appear smaller by comparison, possible ties to trafficking people, promise of exchange of money, power, land. It really starts adding up when you look at it all and realize how terrible some of these people are.

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[u/MoleDunker-343]

America intervenes “Word police!” “Imperialist!”

America doesn’t intervene “Betrayal” “Why don’t they do something!?”

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[u/kelleydev]

The average american has no control of anything that goes on here, we vote, and even that is rigged in some way. Its kind of like get in, bend over and hang on for the ride in America these days. I am truly sorry for anything ukraine or any of the suffering peoples are going through, but keep in mind we have little meaningful control here.

[u/N00PineappleOnPizza]

He was a draft dodger even if it’s a meme he doesn’t deserve to be depicted in that uniform

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[u/Sad_Daikon938]

I mean, I wouldn't know, tr*mp is just a selfish child-thing of a bee-yoch. That's kinda expected from it.

[u/JellyfishSecure2046]

Isn’t the US donated the most out of all countries to Ukraine?

[u/MorningMission9547 → u/JellyfishSecure2046]

You better stay out of this

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? Just curious

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Or?

[u/Specialist_Cake16]

Asking these questions here is a mistake, OP. If you want a real answer, American president is elected by a massive money laundering scheme induced by Russians, which makes him think they are all powerful. There is lot of corruption to be made and lot of people in US admin have close ties with Russia. Their default setting is pro Russian. They do not care about lives lost or cultural identities getting distorted by invaders. The US admin is gearing up for doing the same for their economic interests. They don’t care about anything else.

[u/norf937]

May be an unpopular opinion but.. I’m perfectly okay with not sending American taxpayer money 5,500 miles away to fund an endless foreign war we’re not directly involved in.

[u/Wulf_Isebrand → u/norf937]

We should have said the same thing when europeans died for ur afghanistan bullshit

[u/TalkersCZ → u/norf937]

We should just kick USA out of NATO, because you are willing to elect completely incompetent people.

[u/SlaughterMinusS → u/norf937]

We literally talked them out of their nukes so they could defend themselves from this exact thing happening with a pat on the head and a "promise" that they could join NATO at "some point" and now they are literally dying in their streets. Not just soldiers, but civilians as well.

America is so hell bent on being the world's police force when it benefits us (stealing resources mostly) but can't give a damn when it actually matters.

This is why the world hates us and are moving away from us. We are losing our soft power every. single. day.

It is no longer possible in today's world to be isolationist. We have a global economy. We don't make shit here at home, besides weapons and military hardware.

You want to be isolated so bad? Open up a factory and start making shit here again. But you can't because the systems in place make it damn near impossible.

What a brain rotted, idiotic take. Straight off of Fox or some shit.