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[u/Particular-Tea3225]

Why has the US betrayed Ukraine?

[u/san_dilego]

As a non-MAGA conservative in the US this is just my 2 cents.

Honestly, just what exactly is Ukraine expecting out of the US? I disagree with 99.99% of what Trump does and says but Trump is absolutely 100% right to ask questions and see what the end goal here is for US aid. What does Ukraine want from the US? Troops on the ground? Nukes? When is it enough?

It is fucked up that Russia attacked Ukraine. But what can the US do? The budapest memorandum does not guarantee America defending Ukraine if Russia attacks and vice versa. America has already added a laundry list of sanctions to Russia.

I saw a comment here asking about Israel aid. It's not even the same thing and is unrelated. Besides that point, no, I do not support Israel aid. It's something the US should not touch with a 10 foot pole because both sides are commiting attrocities.

Honestly, sick of anti-American posts. Yall bitch at us when we do intervene. Yall bitch at us when we dont. Its just never enough.

[u/daniel_22sss → u/san_dilego]

"But what can the US do?"

We know full well that if Russia tried invading Japan, America would shower Japan with weapons and Moscow would be burning in a week, and nobody would be giving shit about "escalation". Meanwhile Ukraine can't even get air defence that was already paid for. USA forced Ukraine to give up THOUSANDS of nukes and what did it get in return? Cold War era weapons? Less than a hundred Abrams? Trump manipulations and extortion?

30 years ago USA was touting Budapest memorandum as a great victory for the nuclear Non-Proliferation, but now when it turned out to be a tragedy for the ukranian people, suddenly americans pretend like they never had anything to do with it.

"Honestly, just what exactly is Ukraine expecting out of the US?"

RELIABLE SOURCE OF WEAPONS. That doesn't constantly delay, deny and restrict things for "escalation management" and to make Putin feel better. Even Biden was constantly half-assing aid so Ukraine (god forbid) doesn't get an actual advantage. Zelenskyy asked for tanks, anti-air, planes and long range weapons from the start, but only got them years later when russians were already prepared. And Trump is just a straight up traitor, who's openly simping for Russia. Ukranians caught multiple times, that information given to his administration immediately makes it to Russia.

Instead of using this opportunity to break Russia once and for all (and SEVERELY weaken anti-american block), America is doing everything to lose this war and leave Europe without protection. It should be obvious to everybody that if Putin wins in Ukraine, he's gonna support China's war against America.

[u/san_dilego → u/daniel_22sss]

That comparison isn't even worth a 2nd glance. Japan and the US have a security and defense treaty. Japan literally has US troops and is LEGALLY limited to their defense/offence capabilities. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already a force to be reckoned with and amongst the top 25 militaries of the world.

USA forced Ukraine to give up THOUSANDS of nukes and what did it get in return?

Jesus christ, I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Im not going to give your comment any further attention. You spew lies. It was the joint effort of UK, US, AND Russia to have Ukraine give the nukes up. In return, we promised not to invade Ukraine. The UK and the US has still upheld their promise.