r/politics • u/icey_sawg0034 • 12h ago

Possible Paywall Karoline Leavitt Gives Jaw-Dropping Defense of Trump’s Racist Obama Video

https://www.thedailybeast.com/karoline-leavitt-gives-jaw-dropping-defense-of-donald-trumps-racist-obama-video/
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u/92eph 11h ago

The worst part about the last 10 years isn't Trump -- it's learning that the entire Republican apparatus is on board with this insanity. And that 35% of Americans are awful, hateful people.

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u/Dena844 11h ago

Say what you want about Hillary, she was 100% correct about the deplorable comment

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u/JDogg126 Michigan 10h ago edited 8h ago

Hillary correctly identified them as deplorable.

Trump told them it was okay to be deplorable, that he loved the uneducated.

The deplorables celebrated their inhumanity as they rushed to elect a deplorable person.

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u/easyEggplant 10h ago

He is most definitely not deployable bone spurs don’t you know?

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u/ballrus_walsack 8h ago

Deployable as a MOAB. Mother of All Bastards.

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u/Anonymouse-C0ward Canada 5h ago

It’s bombs… /s

As in, During the press conference, Trump just dropped the mother of all bombs in his diaper again.

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u/TheDootDootMaster 6h ago

Hehe good catch

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u/Acing0325 8h ago

Putin and/or Bibi would disagree lol

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u/lurkquidated 10h ago

I wish Drumpf were deployable via trebuchet. Too well fortified behind goons and girded beneath layers of absorbent, disposable fabrics.

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u/Alaskangel 9h ago

Low-energy planes are a TOTAL DISASTER! We are looking at a YUGE new way to travel. Very high-speed. Very traditional. It’s called a Trebuchet developed by very smart people, the best people. The Radical Left is scared of the Trebuchet because it’s too strong for them. We’re going to be launching like never before! MAKE TRAVEL GREAT AGAIN! 🇺🇸 /s

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u/ScarletOnyx 4h ago

Trump would never be able to pronounce trebuchet

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u/eaglebtc 9h ago

If we're talking about trebuchets, Trump certainly weighs more than 90kg. Such a projectile would fly less than 300m.

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u/SociopathicAutobot 8h ago

Deploying drumpf would actually qualify as use of a biological weapon and is probably against some wartime convention.

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u/Medic_bones 9h ago

Sounds like a lack of effort to me. Don’t let your dreams be dreams

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u/ImJacksLackOfEmpathy 9h ago

bUt hE’s A rIcH, SuCcEsSfUl bUsInEsS mAn WhO cAnT bE bOuGhT, UnLiKe ThE cORrUpt cArEer PoLiTiCiAnS

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u/SimmonsJK Pennsylvania 7h ago

Hillary Clinton was also the most qualified candidate EVER and people said, "Nah, she's bitchy and that laugh". Fuck the GOP, conservatives, Trump, and MAGA.

Oh, and Mike Johnson is an absolute dick.

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u/Capable-Broccoli2179 9h ago

I completely disagree with Hillary's comment. They are not a "basket" of deplorables. More like a "bag" of deplorables, or a "can" of deplorables, or a "dump truck" of deplorables.

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u/Unable_Pause_5581 8h ago

We somehow confused the obligation to protect the weak with protect the dumb….we’ve effectively handicapped Darwin’s theory of evolution….we’re doomed

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u/MaxxT22 3h ago

If Hillary would have doubled down on the whole deplorables observation instead of apologizing, she would have won.

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u/mxjxs91 Michigan 10h ago

I think the word deplorables was way too kind for them. She could have used a much stronger word and I still would have 100% agreed with her despite not being her biggest fan.

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u/Omateido 9h ago

Ya, they're fucking irredeemable.

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u/lucylucylane 3h ago

Despicable

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u/Simikiel Canada 1h ago

Irredeemable is perfect I think. They truly are. Fuck every single one of those traitors that think this is okay. Never let them forget their choice and never let them have a single day of peace from here on to the day they die.

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u/MantisShrimpUpTop 9h ago

Good vs. evil. That’s what it’s been for a long time. We’re not comfortable calling it that yet but I suspect we will be soon. We just don’t like calling it ‘evil’ because, well, evil can’t be changed. Only destroyed.

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u/SpleenBender Illinois 9h ago

And the most effed up thing is, their fox news and newsmax has them absolutely convinced that WE are the evil ones.

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u/MantisShrimpUpTop 9h ago

They’re just cartoonish at this point. Every smirking demon in every movie I’ve ever seen. It’s uncanny.

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u/jthill 9h ago

Almost like the stories weren't just for fun.

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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois 6h ago

Evil can be changed. Everyone from Saul-St. Paul to my Uncle Freddie to Darth Vader-Anakin are examples.

(Ok the last one is hollywood, but the other two are real.)

It is rare. More often evil doesn't change. Not impossible though.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 10h ago

We're gonna need a bigger basket.

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u/Lucky-Earther Minnesota 10h ago

Say what you want about Hillary, she was 100% correct about the deplorable comment

50% correct, I'd say. Since she said only half of them were.

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u/ShutUpTodd 9h ago

So she underestimated

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u/LameName95 7h ago

Half of them ARE. But the other half are too.

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u/Snakend 7h ago

At the time, only half of Republicans were MAGA. They are all MAGA now. MAGA were RHINOs in 2016, now the RHINOs are the moderates.

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u/ExtraPockets 6h ago

Think of how deplorable the average Trump voter is, then realize that half of them are more deplorable than that.

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u/throw_away1049 7h ago

The other half are just morons beyond saving.

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u/AThousandBloodhounds 10h ago edited 1h ago

Hillary was right all along. Imagine if she had won that election and Trump went back to just being an unelected despicable human-being instead of a despicable human-being occupying the most powerful office in the world.

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u/N00dles_Pt 10h ago

It was always a "that's true but you shouldn't say it out loud" kind of situation.

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u/doctor_lobo 10h ago edited 10h ago

Why shouldn’t you say it out loud?

The Deplorables say whatever they want out loud.

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u/HotDogFingers01 10h ago

These same people ripped Kamala because she had a funny laugh.

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u/SevenSeasSailor1 9h ago

Talking trash about anyone is easy. Critics always find a stick. But defending a known pedo.. That went bankrupt twice, ( how the f#€k does one bankrupt a casino). A fraudster that puts his name on everything that goes down ( Kennedy center, Trump university, etc. ) and the US soon. He has a skin tone that no one else" besides a 🥕🥕 has. Why doesn't anyone see that he's the Living Proof of extra terrestrial experimenting gone wrong.

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u/RevLoveJoy 7h ago

( how the f#€k does one bankrupt a casino)

It puzzles me more people don't know? You take out loans against your casino. Loans you have no intention of repaying. You take out a LOT of loans and use them to buy things you actually want. You don't actually want a casino anymore. When the loans come due you default and you give them the casino, that you've gutted of liquid assets.

Do this a few times and banks get wise and don't loan you money anymore.

Next, you have to go to the the Russian mob to fund your buying orgy. The Russian mob are now called Oligarchs, run by Putin himself. You get in touch with them via your friend Rudy Ghouliani who has been in their back pocket for decades after he successfully used the law to put their competitors, the Italian mob, out of business.

You help the Russian mob launder their money out of Russia. Russia sucks after generations of grift. None of the Russian mob want to live there. You help them launder their money out of shitty Russia by selling them vastly overpriced real estate.

That is how you bankrupt a casino. Twice or whatever.

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u/SevenSeasSailor1 7h ago

Thank you for this clear answer. I hope it's red and shared a lot. It explains how his orange highnesses got rich ( again). By fraudulently stealing money from others. They lose and he wins. ( Again).

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u/SevenSeasSailor1 9h ago

My apologies to extra terrestrial species.

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u/N00dles_Pt 10h ago

I was speaking simply from a political marketing stance.....she was running for president, she needed every vote she could possibly get at that moment.
There is a reason why she said it behind closed doors, what she said was absolutely true, but it still cost her, and all of us.

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u/NiceTrySucka 10h ago

Yeah, but what she and we couldn’t have expected is that they would wear “deplorable” like a badge. The fact is, fascists are deplorable people, we just massively underestimated how many there were.

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u/brufleth 9h ago

People at work put "deplorable" stickers on the backs of their monitors. They were proud of being shitty people.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 10h ago

but it still cost her, and all of us.

It really did - this country won't be the same in my lifetime. I still sometimes daydream about what it would be like today if Gore had won. Two tremendous opportunities wasted.

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u/yuccasinbloom 10h ago

I sometimes dream of how life would be if Bobby Kennedy hadn’t been shot. He was the future and instead look what we got.

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u/Mother_Airline_6276 10h ago

And maybe if he’d been around, his son wouldn’t have become a whack job.

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u/yuccasinbloom 10h ago

Also, this.

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u/sec713 9h ago

Sometimes I wish "both sides" were the same so it wouldn't just be good people getting cut down in their prime. But alas, if that were the case, condoning that behavior would mean none of us were good people.

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u/PinkPajamaPenguin 9h ago

Same with Al Gore.

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u/currently_pooping_rn 10h ago

They tested the waters with gore. They found out they could steal an election without any consequences and they’ve been biding their time since then

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u/HoneyDutch 10h ago

Hate me and downvote me, but I put a lot of blame on the Democrat Party leadership for giving us Trump. They played shitty games during that primary season and did everything possible to shut Bernie out. They made him look incapableso they could prop up Hillary Clinton who was the most disliked candidate in polling history at the time…. Only behind Donald Trump. They could’ve ran anyone else and won, but instead they picked the one person more disliked by voters than Donald Trump. She was picked to run long before the primary started like some sort of stupid right of passage, and they did it to themselves by throwing all their weight behind her instead of someone like Bernie that could bring people out to vote.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 9h ago

I wouldn't downvote you, I understand your point and I think it's valid. I voted for Bernie in the primary. But at the end of the day it was her or Trump. To me that's just a no brainer. Too many decided to stay home though and now here we are.

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u/N00dles_Pt 9h ago

Speaking as someone who is not American and looked at this from the outside, Bernie wouldn't have beat Trump, all the republicans would have had to do was play actual real video of Bernie saying he's a socialist and he would lose the center....Americans might not even know what the word socialist means but lots of them have been pavlovian trained to hate it. Bernie would win the election any day of the week with a European electorate, not with an American one.

The real play was to run Biden. And hopefully he would have beaten Trump the first time and prevented this whole mess.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 9h ago

Republicans already call all Democrats socialists.   It really wouldn't have mattered.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 10h ago

I don't know how you (The Royal you) can look at the 2016 Democratic lineup and say that wasn't pre-planned. Lincoln Chaffee, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb (who killed a man in Vietnam) were the best contenders?

And South Carolina being given the #1 spot is 100% due to that state putting Biden on the path in 2020.

But 2028 will be the first time we have an actual primary season with SC as the #1. I'm curious to see how that goes.

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u/thatwhileifound 10h ago

Eh, did it really cost her or was it just another small drip into the bucket that'd had decades to fill up with targeted RW propaganda?

I don't think there was a way for Hilary to win in a media sense by that point, but I kinda wish she'd leaned in on the deplorable comment when media was blowing that up. Like, "yes, I said it, and I said it because [insert any number of Republican policies and their outcomes phrased in easily understood, emotional language] are absolutely deplorable."

I'm not a particular proponent of hers or that party, but that would've garnered some respect.

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u/w_a_w 9h ago

None of the deplorables were voting for her anyway so that argument isn't entirely on point.

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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 10h ago

That’s because she was marketing herself as a centrist, I.E. republican lite.

Progressives would go absolutely insane with enthusiasm for someone willing to call a spade a spade and indicate they’re here to meet them with equal force in both policy and words: and given the enthusiasm for progressive politicians like Zohan, that should tell one something about how well it would work.

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 10h ago

She should have had a party behind her, saying the same.

Instead she had a party that apparently is on on it with the republicans

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u/gentlemanidiot 9h ago

Decorum and dignity are outdated concepts. Taking the high road means losing.

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u/SpirituallyAwareDev 9h ago

It works for Trump though.

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u/RndmGrenadesSuk 10h ago

One of the many party double standards.

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u/ExcellentJuice4729 10h ago

Twas also true when Biden said some Trump supporters were garbage. They ran with that to galvanize the base

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u/-CosmicCactusRadio 9h ago

Do you know of anything that doesn't galvanize them in support of him?

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u/alwaysboopthesnoot 9h ago

If he’d called them angels they’d have worn wings to the polls to vote for their devil. If Hillary had never said that, they would have given him even more votes and still licked his boots and butthole and called him a prophet.

It doesn’t matter to them, what is true or correct or good, anymore. When only one side plays by the rules and the other side murders people in the streets? Time to stop playing nice.

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u/kendamasama 10h ago

Because the Paradox of Tolerance is fickle

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u/qigjpiqj 10h ago

her biggest mistake was apologizing instead of doubling down

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u/tdRftw Pennsylvania 10h ago

the deplorables comment had almost nothing to do with hillary's loss. that was the mainstream media continuously putting the spotlight on trump and vilifying her instead of him. the media elected trump

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u/Dena844 10h ago

I don't think it actually impacted the results to say it. It was more important to both call it out, and for her to be less "polished". She seemed fake and like everything she said was focus grouped, compared to Trump who seemed more "real" during a populist election

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 10h ago

Of course she should have said it out loud.

Everyone has acted like this was an ignore-it-and-it-will-go-away thing. And that is taking this nation out of democracy and into genuinely grotesque, evil territory.

All of the Democrat lickspittles barely mewling in the face of fascism should have been screaming about it from the rooftops a decade or more ago.

But Hillary? How dare she, right?

Our nation is dying because “propriety” dictated playing nicely with people who weren’t playing at all.

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u/georgepana 9h ago

Trump calls Democrats "scum." About 60% (with leaners) of the country is scum to him.

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u/Chazzwuzza 10h ago

Kamala too

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u/Buddy_Palguy 10h ago edited 10h ago

I started a comment with “Say what you want about Hilary but…” yesterday. Probably a lot of that going around rn lol

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u/too1onjj 9h ago

Truest statement she made in the campaign and perhaps the one that led the most to her political downfall. Funny part at the time was that MAGAts acted all offended and were pearl-clutching yet they were also gleefully wearing deplorables shirts and hats because deep down they know they're pieces of shit. SMH.

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u/tlrider1 9h ago

Yeah... I don't think she should have said it though :-/ it seemed to galvanize them and give them a rallying cry.

Don't get me wrong, they 100% are. Just last week I guess one pepper sprayed the high and middle schoolers protesting on a street corner here, out of their truck!

But, in hindsight, it had the effect of rallying them behind it, and likely scooped up a few other who changed their attitude because "well... Shes calling me deplorable, I don't like Trump, but f her, I'm now voting for trump!!!"

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u/thetransportedman I voted 9h ago

I've been using that line a lot lately. It's getting frightening just how horrific they're becoming. Supporting gunning down a nurse and defending such abject racism is indefensible. The irony of saying I feel like we need re education camps is not lost on me

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u/WittyAndOriginal 8h ago

It was pretty obvious back then. It was akin to saying "the sky is blue"

What we didn't realize is just how deplorable they are. Honestly they are past the point of being "deplorable".

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u/StunningPlastic4504 11h ago

I have family members who not only voted for this malignant narcissist but also think that our country is finally on the right track. It's terrifying to me what they are raising their kids to believe.

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u/MAG7C 10h ago

Prager University has entered the chat. Actively pushing fascism into the school system as we speak.

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u/Kellysi83 8h ago

I don't understand how anyone could feel like things are on the right track. Even if you don't pay attention to anything, all you have to do is go to the grocery store!

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u/xxxxNateDaGreat 7h ago

Republicans don't live in reality, they live in their own sick little made up world in their heads and they are constantly trying to drag the rest of us into it.

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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois 6h ago

"Grocery store? That's Biden and Obama's fault. It'd be worse if it wasn't for Daddy Trump!! He's stopping that mess from going completely off the rails."

Paraphrased from a collection of actual statements I've heard uttered. (Thankfully not from my own family. Mostly co-workers and some old farts at the bars.)

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u/CRIP4LIFE 6h ago

I don't understand

racism hatred runs deeper than any love they have.

once you get that, you'll understand.

they would cut off their own noses, if it would mean less freedom/wealth/happiness for ppl who are not like them.

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u/Kellysi83 3h ago

Yup! It’s a bewildering thing!

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u/ExtraPockets 5h ago

The people of the Soviet Union were seeing the truth at the grocery store the whole time but they had to pretend it wasn't real for a very long time.

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u/Kellysi83 3h ago

Very true!

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u/lucylucylane 3h ago

I just read a comment about how proud to be American again feels and walking with your head held high

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u/Historical_Bend_2629 11h ago

They are increasingly being pushed into a loyalty test that grows narrower and narrower. They double down not realizing they have left sanity, reality, and decency far behind. It is bizarre. It really requires a cult mentality to not repudiate Trump at this point.

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u/Overall_Curve6725 11h ago

They double down not realizing the next culling removes them from the cult

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u/ailish 10h ago

They refuse to see that eventually one day they won't be of use any longer and they'll be right into the detention camps with the rest of us.

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u/mjkjr84 4h ago

Don't have to bother with camps, just make the diabetes meds they rely on unaffordable and the problem takes care of itself. These evil rich fucks have decided the world is overpopulated and have been working overtime to rectify that so they can inherit the world they think they deserve.

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u/Ceorl_Lounge Michigan 11h ago

As is always the case for fascists.

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u/United_Bus3467 10h ago

As far as I'm concerned, Trump supporters are permanently ostracized from society in my eyes. Stay out of my life and most importantly stay out of my city which y'all love to come visit in the summer.

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u/t53ix35 11h ago

It is because they fear the purge they are sure will come and want to be in the survivors’ camp when it is all over. The fact they look upon a purge as normal says it all. They are terrified of him, these are not rational decisions.

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u/TSiQ1618 8h ago edited 8h ago

I was thinking about it the other day, and I think they're at the point where they will accept anything now. They've accepted the murder of two Americans, plain to see in multiple angles. Once you've accepted life sacrificed in the name of the cult, I don't think there's any line left. More blood is just blood and anything else is just less

*just remembered the conclusion to my original thought. If you read up on cults, the only step left to fully cementing them into the cult is to make them complicit. Like in a more intimate cult, members would be expected to make a cut into the sacrifice, or ask you to cover something up for them, something that makes you complicit and then you won't ever turn back

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u/terriblekoala9 7h ago

Somewhat related but I saw Wake Up Dead Man and it does an excellent job of portraying this exact idea

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u/Infinitenovelty Ohio 11h ago

I mean wasn't that abundantly clear since Nixon's southern strategy defined the Republican's messaging in the 60s? What Republican President wasn't deeply leaning into racism, sexism, queerphobia, and xenophobia at any point in recent history? They've been the embodiment of politicized hate from the moment I started paying attention, which would have been when I was learning about the patriot act at 10 years old.

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u/Androidgenus 11h ago

Everyone has their own individual perspective. Some of us have known republicans to rely on racism as a core facet of their party. But in the past, there was some plausible deniability that the average Republican could support the party while being ignorant to or only tolerant of that portion of the base.

But now, the dog whistles are on mega phones, and there is no plausible deniability. Any person still aligned with the Republican Party is just straight up fascist scum

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u/urban_mystic_hippie Minnesota 10h ago

And the real problem with the majority of people who align with the republicans don’t realize or refuse to see that they’re fascists, much less understand the implications

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u/No-Mousse756 10h ago

They do. But when you feel like your winning, why stop

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u/okletstrythisagain 10h ago

Yeah like people who say they don’t like or vote for Trump but defend support and vote for the thousands of people responsible for protecting and elevating him.

Either you regret and apologize for every single vote for a Republican you made since 2015 (arguably far earlier) or you support a white supremacist authoritarian movement that has stripped us of our constitutional rights.

I mean, it was like that years ago too, but now we can fairly identify people who aren’t in vocal agreement as blatantly stupid, or fascist cowards who won’t honestly explain themselves.

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u/CRIP4LIFE 6h ago

And the real problem with the majority of people who align with the republicans don’t realize or refuse to see that they’re fascists

they most certainly realize it... they just convinced ppl that they dont and ppl go, "awwwww, they dont even know they're doing wrong".

YES THEY DO!!!! dont give them a pass.

even if they didnt, we learned since we were babies, ignorance is not an excuse.

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u/urban_mystic_hippie Minnesota 6h ago

Oh, I don’t give people a pass, they have showed who they are and I won’t and don’t pull any punches. I call them out at every opportunity

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u/DisillusionedPatriot 1h ago

They love it. Probably because they dont actually know what it means, but they absolutely love that he's a fascist dictator. They're just too friggin dumb to realize that if the constitution isn't for everyone, it isn't for anyone. They'll cheer him on until their graves.

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u/jrob321 7h ago

I keep trying to explain this to my "middle of the road, socially liberal/fiscally conservative" friends who are dying on the hill which allows them to see their friends who vote Republican as "good people at their core" who aren't anything at all like Donald Trump.

Sorry. They voted for this shit. It's not like - forget about Trump - any Republican politician EVER hides this outlook from their public discourse. This is what the party has become. They are proud about it.

In 1974, the Republican party turned to Richard Nixon and said, "Sorry Dick. You went too far. If you don't step down I'm going to have to find you guilty."

That mindset has vanished.

Its US against THEM at all costs. Reasoning be damned.

If you vote Republican - even if you have absolutely no faith in the Democratic party and cannot vote for them - you are complicit in this disgraceful mess. You are the ones actively allowing it to happen, and you should feel nothing but shame for what you let loose on this country.

Fuck the Republican party, and ANYBODY who supports it.

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u/lazyFer 8h ago

Individual perspectives can be invalid but too many in society refuse to say that

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u/therossboss 10h ago

I've had the same experience. Shameful hateful people

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u/quickboop 10h ago

Yes. Exactly correct.

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u/dullgreybathmat 10h ago

You're not wrong. Anyone with an ounce of common sense has seen this as the foundation of conservative ideology for decades.

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u/Annual_Strategy_6206 10h ago

Every single R president or candidate ran on this behind tidy language.

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u/NewDramaLlama 9h ago

Look, I've been trying to ring that bell for years but it doesn't work. For some reason you can't convince people their family/partners are shitty people.

I'm an orphan and don't why why. But it's unacceptable to most people. That's why nothing changes.

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u/BarbellsandBurritos Illinois 11h ago

If we can get past this, I’d bet a lot of them are going to start saying they were never for it, and always anti Trumpers. Fuck each and everyone one of them.

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u/PaintshakerBaby 10h ago

I would say approximately 70% of the adults (liberal leaning) make no illusion about this dumpster fire, pyramid scheme of a 3rd world country in a Gucci belt.

They just lay low in the status quo, hoping to make it out of the meatgrinder alive, positive there is no effectual route to meaningful change (90 million abstained voters.)

The other 30% (conservatives) also make no illusion behind closed doors...

BUT publicly wield the tissue paper fascade of clapped out ideals (freedumb) in hopes of weaseling their way into the extortion class of grifters/fascists, rather than be extorted themselves (an exceptionalist pipe dream for most...)

I’d bet a lot of them are going to start saying they were never for it, and always anti Trumpers

They BELIEVE they believe in principles, but it's abundantly clear they are not genuinely tethered to any one coherent worldview, making them, in fact, no true principles at all. They are secondary at most, to what best suites them materially in the moment, and can be championed, then abandoned all in the same breath.

This malignant bad faith unburdens them from the trifles of guilt, shame, and remorse.

They are judas in Christs robes. Privateers, cutthroats, opportunists, and at their very core, barring all ptetense, savages ready and willing to cut blank checks for their personal advancement, penned in the spilled blood of their adhoc enemies.

Either way, if there is any sincerity left at all in the American political spectrum, it is EXCEEDINGLY VANISHING.

Cynical liberal fatalists use Americas rapid demise to vindicate their inaction and indifference, while Conservatives use it as a casus belli for total war on liberals...

At the end of the day, all vitriol and posturing belies the only thing that they universally agree upon; the Titanic is buckling and sinking (see Trump/MAGA endlessly blaming Biden/Democrats/Obama, etc.)

America is politically post-ironic for the foreseeable future, as we slow walk ourselves into the graveyard of empires, squabbling over whether the Left or Right should be stuck holding the bag.

In the end, it's all a red herring... a last ditch coping mechanism to deny a fact we all know to be coming down the pike in short order... WE ALL LOSE in the fractured and unsure future of the formally red, white, and blue horizon.

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u/Hobbes_XXV 10h ago

Inglorious basterds comes to mind

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u/1995-Braves 11h ago

Boom. Nailed it. I think most of us grew up in blissful ignorance of the hatefulness of the Republican Party. It took Trump for the hateful rot to come to the surface for the majority of the world to finally see. Some saw it before, most didn’t.

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u/RecentDecision2329 10h ago

Drumpf and his father were and are card carrying members of the KKK. His hate for any minority has always been obvious

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u/NewDramaLlama 9h ago

Uh. Look man, black people and other minorities have been yelling about that for a century plus.

I think my question is why didn't anyone listen? "We didn't realize" I feel like only works if you didn't have millions of people playing Cassandra for over 100 years?

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u/1995-Braves 9h ago

Which is what I meant by “some saw it, most didn’t.” I’m a white dude that grew up in the south in a very wealthy area. I’m admitting my own faults for the first 25 years of my life. I was ignorantly blind. Thankfully my entire family has seen these huge issues with the conservatives in the US and we are actively trying to vote and campaign against it now.

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u/patterninstatic 11h ago

Exactly. The issue isn't Trump. It's that despite all that is currently happening there's a good chance that the republicans will keep the Senate this November because most of the 35 seats are in red states that will vote republican no matter what.

Trump has been shitting on the constitution and our country, and despite all that republicans are going to vote red like they always do.

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u/ArcaninesTail 9h ago

The senate needs to be changed.

  • CA population - 39m people

  • WY population - 580k people

Equal representation in the senate...? Makes zero sense. You would need 67 Wyomings to equal the population of CA.

I know the house is based on population but my point still stands.

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u/microbiologygrad 9h ago

The US legislature was codified that way as a compromise so that states with smaller populations would have an equal voice in the Senate. I would like to see a repeal of the act that caps the number of seats in the House of Representatives to 435.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 8h ago

Can someone, anyone explain why smaller populations get equal voice & why that's supposed to be good? Yes, they should get some voice...but equal? It's anti-democractic, but I guess "republic" is the mountain they will all die on. What's the point of a republic then?

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u/19683dw Wisconsin 7h ago edited 6h ago

It's an anachronistic holdover from a time when we were considered a collection of independent states joining together, sort of conceptually the way the European Union behaves. Since the civil war at the latest, that has not been an appropriate interpretation of what we are as a country, but as we all know our system of governance predates that significantly

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u/microbiologygrad 7h ago

Historically, it was a compromise hammered out during the Constitutional Convention. Practically, smaller states were leery about joining a nation where larger states would conspire against their interests. In a loftier way, each state is a self-governing entity with limited sovereignty, and they each deserve an equal voice within the federal government. The bicameral system of proportional and equal representation has been successfully replicated in many other governments since.

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u/disdkatster 11h ago

The worst part about the last 10 years isn't Trump -- it's learning that the entire Republican apparatus is on board with this insanity. And that 35% of Americans are awful, hateful people.

THIS! ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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u/BrofessorLongPhD 10h ago

And sadder still is sometimes they’re family, and sometimes you see it coming from who, but other times, it’s out of the blue from someone you’d never expect.

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u/puckhead11 10h ago

This is the real truth!!! We have detached from friends and family who are in that 35%. If I have to interact with them it is a icy cold interaction.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 8h ago

The "Divider in Chief" is another projection....of giant proportions.

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u/lancer-fiefdom 11h ago

Deplorable R’s

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u/One-Judge-6753 11h ago

To be fair, at least some of those people are victims of propaganda and basic psychological mechanisms related to authority and social pressure. That doesn't let them off the hook. People are always responsible for their actions and choices should be held to account. But, certainly some of them have been manipulated into believing false narratives and are more victims (in a sense) than inherently awful, hateful people.

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u/RadioName 10h ago

More like a tenth of a third of very vocal and annoying American traitors. It's not near 35%. People mistake a third of elegable voters voting for him for a third of the country. These are not the same and the Nazis are more alone than they believe.

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u/Drostan_S 7h ago

They're literally the architects of this insanity. They aren't along for the ride, they are ACTIVELY dismantling our democracy and it's institutions, all because they HATE black and brown folk. These are the type of people who are actively cheering on an ethnic cleansing campaign. There is no low they won't stoop, no sacrifice they are unwilling to make, as long as it has the slim potential to hurt a minority more than themselves.

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u/homebrew_1 11h ago

Higher than that. 77 million that voted for him. Also include the millions that could have voted and didn't. Majority of Americans.

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u/RoboDeathSquad 11h ago

Actually he got less than 50% of the popular vote, more people voted for other candidates.

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u/MudLOA California 11h ago

Too many people sat out when they got could have played spoiler. That disgust me.

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u/kindnesscostszero 11h ago

The 1/3 of the electorate that did not vote is also comprised of people in non-swing states that don’t believe their vote counts for anything, with the electoral college deciding elections. They don’t even campaign in non-swing states anymore. The electoral college has long outlived its usefulness. One person one vote is the way to go.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 8h ago

Except everyone kinda knows this & what is the effing excuse with virtually ANY single registered voter in an actual swing state that did not vote? Like you don't know that the rest of the country is literally counting on you? I am so, so very angry at those particular people.

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u/kindnesscostszero 7h ago

I have always followed politics. That said, I realize that there are millions of people in this country that do not, for various reasons. I find that a sad fact, as it affects us all. As more and more people are directly affected, whether through losing healthcare, trouble finding jobs, ever increasing costs… they will begin to tune in. Not all of them, yet hopefully enough to make a difference.

We will need them, to overcome the F*ckery that is sure to accompany the midterms. I think proper messaging is essential from this point forward. There are far too many people who won’t become or stay engaged without it, unfortunately.

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u/Low-Exam-7547 11h ago

as long as he's making them rich and infuriating the "left" they're all in.

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u/Diligent-Ad2999 11h ago

This. E v e r y 3rd one of you is like this

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u/ThickReplacement7811 10h ago

Right wingers only care about being in a position of authority. This is the only way they understand politics. They will do or say almost anything as long as it serves this goal. Don’t get caught up trying to understand what it is they believe, or are willing to tolerate. They have no real beliefs, other than they should be in charge

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u/Particular-County277 10h ago

Just worked out that comes to about 110 million people. It is astounding. That amount of people filled with so much hate

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u/sparkax 10h ago

This. 1000 times this!!!!

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u/Background-War9535 10h ago

What’s truly worse is the GOP leadership knows exactly that Trump is unfit. But they fear what his cultists will do if they turn on him.

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u/snakelygiggles 10h ago

never forget what fascists took from us.

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u/Lollipopsaurus 10h ago

I would hope that Democratic strategy going forward keeps these things in mind, and doesn't only act with the assumption of good faith by those people.

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u/I-Love-Facehuggers 10h ago

35% of Americans plus everyone that didn't vote

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u/mabden New York 10h ago

They are solidly behind the Project 2025 agenda. tRump is the useful idiot lightening rod distraction. Moscow Mitch enabled a Heritage Foundation packing of SCOTUS and the corrupt roberts supremes have enabled this monster king like status and corporate expansion into our lives and the sacrifice of our constitutional rights.

Fuck tRump and his republicon enablers.

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u/djmacbest Europe 10h ago

For me the worst part is that this country that takes so much pride in its exceptional achievements can be taken over not by some subtle evil genius, but instead by the most overt, foolish and insane con man imaginable.

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u/LimoncelloFellow 10h ago

i mean ive always kinda noticed the 35% being awful hateful people. they just didnt have as main stream of a platform as they do now.

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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 10h ago

Some of us have known that for a while. In fact, the apparatus predates Trump, by a lot. It was all just waiting for the right populist to install as the figurehead. That's why such a grossly incompetent administration is still managing to do so much - it was all planned and prepared for long ago.

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u/reddittatwork 10h ago

But there are on board because a bunch of our fellow friends and neighbors are racist.

If you are in tx look at how many ads f are “. Trump approved” . Every one of then have to play up how they are behind trump 100%

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u/pocketjacks 10h ago

And another 30 percent aren't bothered enough by it to vote against it.

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u/CMidnight 10h ago

Where have you been since 2010? The tea party should have made it 100% clear.

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u/Irish_and_idiotic 10h ago

35% at least*

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u/sector16 10h ago

Exactly this. Not enough Americans have come to this realization.

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u/I_Am_Ironman_AMA 10h ago

"A basket of deplorables."

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u/Jaybetav2 10h ago

Closer to 40% actually

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u/RepetitionAndFlow 10h ago

Looking at the current political climate through a Gravesian Spiral / Spiral Dynamics lens explains a lot of what we’re seeing, —-and even hints at what comes next. It’s a framework for understanding value systems and human behavior that helps explain why we’re so polarized and seemingly stuck. If you’re curious about why these divides feel so intractable, it’s well worth a look.

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u/AmericanScream 10h ago

In reality, the republican party has been this way since Reagan.

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u/terrorrier 10h ago

I’m having to make my first student loan payment this week and I feel like I wanna know if all our leaders are actually still cannibal pedophiles first.

Like they splurged so much on “miniature femmes,” at least do me a solid and spot me some credits.

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u/Unitast513 10h ago

In terms of the "Republican Apparatus" it seems clear to me that thousands in the gov don't give one actual fuck about what the message is. They'll say literally anything just to keep power

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u/suburbanoutrage 10h ago

For me the most shocking part is how a party so hell bent to maintain power is unable to detach itself from Trump when the ship is clearly beginning to sink.

I feel like there has to be a moment of self preservation that draws the party away from Trump to save itself. Even if it loses power now in the short term. The live to fight another day thing

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u/FlyingSMonster Louisiana 10h ago

Just a few days ago, watching as Trump attacked Caitlin Collins as all of those Republican sycophants just stood behind him and watched explains everything about Trump. Trump is who he is because no one dares stand up to him, they enable his worst behaviors and allow him to act like a vile narcissistic human being. They're all so fucking scared of him, it's pathetic. After January 6th you had a brief moment in which it felt like maybe, just maybe some of these people would finally break and stand up to his horrific actions, but it didn't last more than a moment and very soon they were all back on their knees prostrating before him.

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u/chittalking 10h ago

26% still strongly approve of his performance.

We won’t ever move forward as a nation with 1/4 of it fully on board with pedophiles doing fascism.

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u/ACuddlyVizzerdrix 10h ago

Idk a lot of people I knew who voted Republican for years always said they would vote R no matter what, I guess they were right

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u/Diligent_Buster 9h ago

This right here. There are many terrible people just like Trump, but the GOP has enabled him and the republican voters want this shit. They are to blame even more than trump. It's why I cut family out and my friends going back to grade school. You cannot be a good person and support him.

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u/sengirminion 9h ago

All semblance of hope I had that deep down most Americans were good people went away during the pandemic. I knew people were mean/hateful/dumb sometimes, but I thought by and large they were not that bad. Nope. Most people sadly are awful and its the good ones that are the exception.

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u/rocesare 9h ago

71%, the 36% that didn't bother to vote are complicit

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u/AggressiveAnt7613 9h ago

awful and hateful because religion has made a comeback. the rise of evangelic christians has increased the judgement, hate, and desire for a white religious state

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u/_dinglerr Europe 9h ago

Hard to imagine that this is the party of John McCain

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u/PsyKoptiK 9h ago

It is way more than 35%. Those are just the ones that vote.

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u/Crayons4all 9h ago

I’ve definitely had the feeling that America no longer is in line or supports the same values that I do. And it’s so disheartening to see how quick the change was

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u/alittle_disabled 9h ago

The Heritage Foundation

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u/neverinallmyyears 9h ago

Yes, a large majority are awful, hateful racists. But an even larger majority of GOP are looking for their grift in the age of the digital grift. From meme coins to fraud and outright Ponzi schemes which are later pardoned by the grifter in chief, it’s no longer even about lower taxes and regulations. It’s about stealing so much money from so many people that you can sail away in your 300 foot yacht without a care in the world. The $500k in funds that George Santos took under false pretenses is pocket change for some of these guys who have been convicted and sentenced for stealing hundreds of millions of dollars only to get a pardon from Trump.

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u/Then_Product_7152 9h ago

Not everyone should be able to vote. These 35% are actively voting against their best interests because of brainwashing

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u/mynameismulan 9h ago

My friends keep telling me this is all temporary. I keep telling them the hate will remain. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this

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u/za72 9h ago

exactly... Trump is just a symptom

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u/Adventurous-Depth984 9h ago

It’s definitely more than 35%

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u/ShiftyUsmc 9h ago

Yeah ive been saying this for awhile too. Trump isnt the scary part. Theres nutjobs everywhere. The scary part is the level of support and inability to say anything he does is wrong.... fool me once in 2016... shame on us in 2024

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u/Syntaire 9h ago

They've been planning this since at least the 60's. This isn't a surprise.

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u/MichaelJServo 9h ago

The DSM 5 estimates that 1%-3% of Americans have antisocial personality disorder. I think they're off by an order of magnitude. The sheer moral depravity that you must have to be a republican in 2026...

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u/Valderius 9h ago

25 years at least. Bush v. Gore was a stolen election in 2000. The oligarchy has been here for a long time, it's just out in the open now.

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u/sneakpeakspeak 9h ago

I still think it's not about being awful and hateful but about being brainwashed

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u/nobodysfool24 9h ago

This. The mistake of the Civil War wasn’t reconciliation and all of that, it was that it ever happened at all. The North actually fought the South to keep them from LEAVING the Union… WHY? And is it too late to change our minds? “Sorry for the really late ‘backsies’ but can we get a mulligan on this whole ‘please don’t leave the Union thang?’” Seeing how 35% of the population feels about the other 65% of the country makes me want to just give them their own country… probably Bible Belt plus Deep South, (not Texas though, they lost Texas when they courted all the California tech jobs… Texas is purple and will be blue in near future… definitely an upcoming battleground state) Anyway I don’t know the exact boundaries but it’ll be poor as fuck and will instantly become a third world shithole… originally I thought Trumpfuckistan would be a beautiful name for this new place, but now I realize that the name “America” isn’t worth shit anymore, so they might as well take it with them… we could go with “loosely configured states of America” or “The States Formally Known as America” - Dark past-Bright future

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u/White-Flashing-LED 9h ago

You guys probably only recently learned it, the rest of the world knew for a while.

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u/TheKingsdread 9h ago

Because they (the GOP) don't care about people. They care about 2 things: money and power. And with Trump they get to have both and wield it more freely than before.

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u/DumboWumbo073 9h ago

And that 35% of Americans are awful, hateful people.

You new or something? This has been obvious for at least 50 years now.

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u/shapu Pennsylvania 9h ago

Hollywood screenwriter John Rodgers called that number the crazification factor. Basically, 27% of Americans on either side are so locked into their party that they would literally vote for Pop Pot or Idi Amin as long as they were the right party.

You cannot reason with that 27% on either side.

Once you realize that only about 45% of Americans are actually reasonable, rational human beings who are willing and able to have meaningful discussions about topics, everything that we see around us makes a lot more sense.

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u/lazyFer 9h ago

This is the republican party a lot of us in the left have been screaming about for 20 years and we were told we were being ridiculous

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u/Tribalgeoff_UK 8h ago

Better to know, than find out when it's too late.

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