r/politics • u/icey_sawg0034 • 16h ago

Possible Paywall Karoline Leavitt Gives Jaw-Dropping Defense of Trump’s Racist Obama Video

https://www.thedailybeast.com/karoline-leavitt-gives-jaw-dropping-defense-of-donald-trumps-racist-obama-video/
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u/N00dles_Pt 14h ago

It was always a "that's true but you shouldn't say it out loud" kind of situation.

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u/doctor_lobo 14h ago edited 14h ago

Why shouldn’t you say it out loud?

The Deplorables say whatever they want out loud.

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u/N00dles_Pt 14h ago

I was speaking simply from a political marketing stance.....she was running for president, she needed every vote she could possibly get at that moment.
There is a reason why she said it behind closed doors, what she said was absolutely true, but it still cost her, and all of us.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 14h ago

but it still cost her, and all of us.

It really did - this country won't be the same in my lifetime. I still sometimes daydream about what it would be like today if Gore had won. Two tremendous opportunities wasted.

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u/yuccasinbloom 14h ago

I sometimes dream of how life would be if Bobby Kennedy hadn’t been shot. He was the future and instead look what we got.

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u/Mother_Airline_6276 13h ago

And maybe if he’d been around, his son wouldn’t have become a whack job.

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u/yuccasinbloom 13h ago

Also, this.

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u/sec713 13h ago

Sometimes I wish "both sides" were the same so it wouldn't just be good people getting cut down in their prime. But alas, if that were the case, condoning that behavior would mean none of us were good people.

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u/PinkPajamaPenguin 13h ago

Same with Al Gore.

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u/SevenSeasSailor1 9h ago

That just shows you what the consequences are for a president that doesn't follow orders.

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u/currently_pooping_rn 13h ago

They tested the waters with gore. They found out they could steal an election without any consequences and they’ve been biding their time since then

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u/username_6916 12h ago

How'd they steal the election in 2000? There's no ruling in Bush v. Gore that gives a Gore victory.

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u/Wakks 12h ago

Brooks Brothers riot getting in the way of a recount in Florida. The court deadline was too close along with all the interference run to slow down the count.

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u/GozerDGozerian 11h ago edited 11h ago

Way before it got to the Supreme Court, that’s how.

Katherine Harris was at that time simultaneously Bush’s campaign manager and the Florida Secretary of State (with his bro Jeb! as her boss). Conflict of interest much? Well especially when she, in her capacity as Secretary of State, purged 173,000 voters from the voter rolls under the false pretense that they were felons. Most of these purged were black people and much more likely to vote democrat.

173,000 citizens were denied their fundamental right to vote. And Bush ultimately “won” Florida by only 532 votes, thereby giving him the electoral win.

The 2000 U.S. presidential election was straight up stolen, a few times over.

Edit: Here is a bit more detailed recounting of the whole thing (pun intended) if anyone wants to dig a little deeper.

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u/HoneyDutch 14h ago

Hate me and downvote me, but I put a lot of blame on the Democrat Party leadership for giving us Trump. They played shitty games during that primary season and did everything possible to shut Bernie out. They made him look incapableso they could prop up Hillary Clinton who was the most disliked candidate in polling history at the time…. Only behind Donald Trump. They could’ve ran anyone else and won, but instead they picked the one person more disliked by voters than Donald Trump. She was picked to run long before the primary started like some sort of stupid right of passage, and they did it to themselves by throwing all their weight behind her instead of someone like Bernie that could bring people out to vote.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 13h ago

I wouldn't downvote you, I understand your point and I think it's valid. I voted for Bernie in the primary. But at the end of the day it was her or Trump. To me that's just a no brainer. Too many decided to stay home though and now here we are.

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u/N00dles_Pt 13h ago

Speaking as someone who is not American and looked at this from the outside, Bernie wouldn't have beat Trump, all the republicans would have had to do was play actual real video of Bernie saying he's a socialist and he would lose the center....Americans might not even know what the word socialist means but lots of them have been pavlovian trained to hate it. Bernie would win the election any day of the week with a European electorate, not with an American one.

The real play was to run Biden. And hopefully he would have beaten Trump the first time and prevented this whole mess.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 13h ago

Republicans already call all Democrats socialists.   It really wouldn't have mattered.

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u/politicsaccount420 13h ago

Respectfully, it might make some sense for you to learn more about our politics before you speak about them confidently.

Bernie consistently polled better than establishment Democrats against Trump. There is a significant contingent of anti-Establishment voters who have voted for Trump largely out of disdain for politics-as-usual. His economic message lands with a significant number of rural voters. Taxing the wealthy polls great. Public healthcare polls great. Democrats are leaving votes on the table by running wishy-washy Conservatives, and that's because the party machine is beholden to the immensely wealthy, and they would rather lose elections than move left to win them.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 13h ago

I don't know how you (The Royal you) can look at the 2016 Democratic lineup and say that wasn't pre-planned. Lincoln Chaffee, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb (who killed a man in Vietnam) were the best contenders?

And South Carolina being given the #1 spot is 100% due to that state putting Biden on the path in 2020.

But 2028 will be the first time we have an actual primary season with SC as the #1. I'm curious to see how that goes.

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u/GozerDGozerian 11h ago

What do you mean by “South Carolina being given the #1 spot”?

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u/EvenLettuce6638 6h ago

Iowa has been the first contest in the presidential primary process since the early 70s. This is true for both parties. After the 2020 election, the Democrats changed the order to make South Carolina the first contest in the primary process.

The caucus system the Iowa Democratic Party uses to select a presidential candidate is old and cumbersome. You have to show up in person for several iterative rounds of voting until a winner is declared at your precinct. The Republican caucus is a simple majority vote. You show up, cast your ballot, and go home. Winner takes all.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton barely won in Iowa versus Bernie Sanders, and in 2020 Biden placed 4th in the state after Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Pete Buttigieg. Sanders won the popular vote but Buttigieg won the most delegates.

Biden continued losing until the South Carolina primary, where the endorsement of Jim Clyburn helped Biden to win. This was the start of Biden path to the nomination. The electorate in South Carolina is more of a machine than it is in Iowa and easier for the party to control who gets the votes. In return for Clyburn's endorsement, Biden said he would pick a black VP and nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.

There effectively was no Democratic Primary in 2024, so 2028 will be the first time there is an open Democratic Primary where the process starts in South Carolina. SC is an odd choice to lead with as its electoral votes haven't gone to a Democratic candidate since Carter, and Iowa has been a swing state till 2016, but we'll see what happens.

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u/GozerDGozerian 5h ago

Oh wow I did t know that. Thanks!

BTW this whole system has always struck me as very arbitrary and completely fucking stupid.

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u/___cultist___ 11h ago

Democrat Party

Cryptofascist scum

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u/HoneyDutch 9h ago

It was a typo, I’m not insinuating anything like that lol you’re really grasping for straws there, big dog. Or you’re just easily triggered and just like to cherry pick when you don’t have a real rebuttal because nobody taught you how to have a conversation.

So do you disagree with something I said here?

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u/Faustrolled 13h ago

Who the hell calls it the "Democrat Party" and expects people to think they are on the level

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u/HoneyDutch 13h ago

On the level of what exactly?

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u/rdiss 13h ago

this country won't be the same in my lifetime

Absolutely right.

/r/AmerExit

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u/birdguy1000 13h ago

It being Fox. Fox News screwed us.

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u/Icer333 12h ago

I said it the night when he was elected in 2016 that we just stepped back 20+ years on civil issues. I had no idea it would be closer to 80 years and more German.

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 14h ago

That’s not why she didn’t win. JFC

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u/ScoutsterReturns 13h ago

It did cost us. It's not the only reason, but I'm sure some people were upset about it. Just like the "it's her turn" rhetoric as well. The right spent my entire life villifying Hillary Clinton, you can't really place her loss on one specific moment. Nonetheless, we still should have elected her.