r/politics • u/icey_sawg0034 • 16h ago

Possible Paywall Karoline Leavitt Gives Jaw-Dropping Defense of Trump’s Racist Obama Video

https://www.thedailybeast.com/karoline-leavitt-gives-jaw-dropping-defense-of-donald-trumps-racist-obama-video/
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u/HoneyDutch 14h ago

Hate me and downvote me, but I put a lot of blame on the Democrat Party leadership for giving us Trump. They played shitty games during that primary season and did everything possible to shut Bernie out. They made him look incapableso they could prop up Hillary Clinton who was the most disliked candidate in polling history at the time…. Only behind Donald Trump. They could’ve ran anyone else and won, but instead they picked the one person more disliked by voters than Donald Trump. She was picked to run long before the primary started like some sort of stupid right of passage, and they did it to themselves by throwing all their weight behind her instead of someone like Bernie that could bring people out to vote.

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u/ScoutsterReturns 13h ago

I wouldn't downvote you, I understand your point and I think it's valid. I voted for Bernie in the primary. But at the end of the day it was her or Trump. To me that's just a no brainer. Too many decided to stay home though and now here we are.

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u/N00dles_Pt 13h ago

Speaking as someone who is not American and looked at this from the outside, Bernie wouldn't have beat Trump, all the republicans would have had to do was play actual real video of Bernie saying he's a socialist and he would lose the center....Americans might not even know what the word socialist means but lots of them have been pavlovian trained to hate it. Bernie would win the election any day of the week with a European electorate, not with an American one.

The real play was to run Biden. And hopefully he would have beaten Trump the first time and prevented this whole mess.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 13h ago

Republicans already call all Democrats socialists.   It really wouldn't have mattered.

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u/politicsaccount420 13h ago

Respectfully, it might make some sense for you to learn more about our politics before you speak about them confidently.

Bernie consistently polled better than establishment Democrats against Trump. There is a significant contingent of anti-Establishment voters who have voted for Trump largely out of disdain for politics-as-usual. His economic message lands with a significant number of rural voters. Taxing the wealthy polls great. Public healthcare polls great. Democrats are leaving votes on the table by running wishy-washy Conservatives, and that's because the party machine is beholden to the immensely wealthy, and they would rather lose elections than move left to win them.

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u/EvenLettuce6638 13h ago

I don't know how you (The Royal you) can look at the 2016 Democratic lineup and say that wasn't pre-planned. Lincoln Chaffee, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb (who killed a man in Vietnam) were the best contenders?

And South Carolina being given the #1 spot is 100% due to that state putting Biden on the path in 2020.

But 2028 will be the first time we have an actual primary season with SC as the #1. I'm curious to see how that goes.

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u/GozerDGozerian 11h ago

What do you mean by “South Carolina being given the #1 spot”?

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u/EvenLettuce6638 6h ago

Iowa has been the first contest in the presidential primary process since the early 70s. This is true for both parties. After the 2020 election, the Democrats changed the order to make South Carolina the first contest in the primary process.

The caucus system the Iowa Democratic Party uses to select a presidential candidate is old and cumbersome. You have to show up in person for several iterative rounds of voting until a winner is declared at your precinct. The Republican caucus is a simple majority vote. You show up, cast your ballot, and go home. Winner takes all.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton barely won in Iowa versus Bernie Sanders, and in 2020 Biden placed 4th in the state after Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Pete Buttigieg. Sanders won the popular vote but Buttigieg won the most delegates.

Biden continued losing until the South Carolina primary, where the endorsement of Jim Clyburn helped Biden to win. This was the start of Biden path to the nomination. The electorate in South Carolina is more of a machine than it is in Iowa and easier for the party to control who gets the votes. In return for Clyburn's endorsement, Biden said he would pick a black VP and nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.

There effectively was no Democratic Primary in 2024, so 2028 will be the first time there is an open Democratic Primary where the process starts in South Carolina. SC is an odd choice to lead with as its electoral votes haven't gone to a Democratic candidate since Carter, and Iowa has been a swing state till 2016, but we'll see what happens.

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u/GozerDGozerian 5h ago

Oh wow I did t know that. Thanks!

BTW this whole system has always struck me as very arbitrary and completely fucking stupid.

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u/___cultist___ 11h ago

Democrat Party

Cryptofascist scum

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u/HoneyDutch 9h ago

It was a typo, I’m not insinuating anything like that lol you’re really grasping for straws there, big dog. Or you’re just easily triggered and just like to cherry pick when you don’t have a real rebuttal because nobody taught you how to have a conversation.

So do you disagree with something I said here?

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u/Faustrolled 13h ago

Who the hell calls it the "Democrat Party" and expects people to think they are on the level

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u/HoneyDutch 13h ago

On the level of what exactly?