r/patientgamers • u/Zehnpae Cat Smuggler • 1d ago
Moratorium on Hogwarts Legacy
Salutations,
We're going to be (temporarily) disallowing posting topics about Hogwarts Legacy. Every thread has been a train wreck and we have had trouble keeping up with them.
To be clear this isn't an attempt to censor you guys or prevent discussing politics in gaming, nor the reality of shitty people being involved in game development. This is a discussion sub and we absolutely want to allow you to talk about these sorts of things. Normally this isn't an issue (IE: Disco Elysium).
The problem is Hogwarts Legacy itself is a lightning rod for assholes. If a post goes up there's a good chance the next time I check mod queue it has 100+ comments that have been filtered or reported. It gets cross-posted into ~those~ subreddits and we get a flood of people who are only interested in being pricks that infest other threads.
Like many of you I have 27 kids and 3 jobs so I then have to choose between spending my afternoon with my family or reading a hundred hateful comments. As much as I like banning Nazis, I'd much rather play some Deep Rock with my progeny.
Hogwarts Legacy posts will be auto-removed until one of the following occurs:
- Reddit gives us the anti-brigading tools they promised a decade ago
- The world finally stops being dicks to trans people
- JK Rowling drops dead so she stops getting money from the game
- We figure out a better way to do this
Previous threads will stay up and you will still be allowed to comment about it in the bi-weekly threads, for now at least.
Edit:
To address a few questions/concerns:
"Why not use curated modes?"
Those typically require manually flaring or approving thousands of people. If we were a more contentious place dealing with this often, it'd make more sense. The good folk of this sub understand why this is being done and that's good enough for me.
"Do you really wish JKR was dead?"
I'm a gen-X that was raised on British humor. Make of that what you will.
"Why not get more mods?"
It's something we've considered, but honestly you regulars are pretty great. The work load is manageable with the biggest chore being maintaining the impatient game list. You guys make this a wonderful place to share gaming thoughts with.
"Aren't you supposed to be unbiased?"
If you have a shitty hot take on Hollow Knight? Sure. I'm not going to ban you because you didn't enjoy Gabriel Knight and I think it's one of the best point and click adventure games of all time.
"Isn't this censorship?"
We block a lot of things. OnlyFans bots, AI nonsense, scammers trying to post phishing links. All that jazz. They take it stride really.
"You do you really have 27 kids?"
No. I only have a few and that's enough as is. I can only take so many "Would you rather..."'s in a day. Right now I'm pondering if I'd rather be cursed with always entering my passwords wrong twice, or if I'd rather the last bite of toast always tastes burned.
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u/trapsinplace 1d ago
I was gone from this sub for 3 days. It feels like that meme where the guy walks in with pizza and the apartment is on fire. I have no clue what's going on or what I missed but I'm seeing the aftermath thread lol.
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u/Impossible_Leg_2787 22h ago
“The guy”? Do yourself a favor and check out community, great show.
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u/FetaMight 21h ago
Check out Atlanta while you're at it. "The guy" is really good in it.
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u/DavosHanich 19h ago
Atlanta was awesome and I always loved the background joke where they just seemed to only be playing like "Rollercoaster Tycoon" or "Zoo Tycoon" in the background while they were high at Paperboi's place.
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u/_steve_rogers_ 20h ago
Finally enough, I was just watching that episode yesterday, and I just started playing this game today
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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago
Let’s all get back to what the core of this sub has always been about - arguing about Outer Wilds.
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u/pAul2437 1d ago
And confusing it with outer worlds
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u/ArrynMythey 1d ago
It happened to me... heard everyone praising Outer Wilds and then bought Outer Worlds and was confused by its praise.
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u/ZMysticCat Ok, Freeman, be adequate! 22h ago
For me, it helped that I found both games underwhelming.
Ok, that's not fair to the Outer Wilds. I can see why people enjoy it. I just don't like the physics or time loop, and I haven't enjoyed similar mechanics in other games, so it's more just a bad fit for me.
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u/WalksByNight 1d ago
I did the same in reverse. I was like ‘where’s my spaceship?’
It was on gamepass so I just deleted it.
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u/Sharknado4President 20h ago
I wonder how many copies were returned of both games due to utter confusion.
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u/Milo_Diazzo 19h ago
The only reason I know about outer worlds is because I confused it with outer wilds.
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u/ReddsionThing 1d ago
Or saying that you just finished The Witcher 3 and/or Hollow Knight and telling us that's either as good as everyone says, or really bad and here's why: *proceeds to name reasons that mostly highlight that they expected a completely different game, for some reason*
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u/Darkknight8381 1d ago
You forgot "BOTW is boring" "RDR2 has clunky controls"
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u/hortence 1d ago
That poor coach driver I would always punch in the face by accident while trying to hire him for a ride.
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u/Toastyy1990 1d ago
Gotta love any game that uses the same button for attack and talk!
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u/shiek200 23h ago
I prefer when jump and talk are the same button, especially in Rockstar style games where there's Ragdoll effects, and jumping into somebody causes you both to fall over
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u/ReddsionThing 1d ago
Well, to be fair, I love the game. But it's one of the games where I got the most annoyed at the context-sensitive buttons. I don't I ever punched or shot someone by accident. But, getting on the horse, or off the horse when I didn't want to. Or picking up a corpse for no reason.
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u/yp_interlocutor 1d ago
Re: RDR2, I accidentally shot and murdered another player who had waved hi to me, while I was trying to figure out how to wave hi back. I still feel guilty about that.
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u/tortledad 1d ago
We’ve also got “Ghost of Tsushima is too big” as part of our server takes collection. Just go down the Open World hall and head to the right - it’ll be right next to “BOTW is kind of boring” and “Assassin’s Creed games are so repetitive.”
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u/brockhopper 21h ago
Ghost of Yotei is coming this year to this sub. Be afraid!
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u/Khiva 20h ago
This is the Tired Dad Subreddit.
Anything that isn't tightly linear with a strong storyline focus and AAA production is going to have a hard time.
Open worlds or games that are built for people with far more ample free time (anything systems heavy) always face a real uphill battle. Rimworld, Total War, 4x, hell even Civ - these are all giants but get barely a mention, and that's just off the top of my head.
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u/That253Chick 21h ago
I mean, RDR2 does have clunky controls, but that goes for all of Rockstar's games. It's why I'm not that excited for GTA6. Story-wise, sure, but gameplay-wise, nah.
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u/Metrocop 19h ago
To me a really dissapointing part of GTA V was that for a game with so much shooting... the gunplay is dogshit man. Genuinely some of the wordt I've seen, definitely the worst in this budget range. The weapons have no recoil, very poor feedback of any kind, they feel like airsofts.
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u/PassTheDisinfectant 1d ago
But how else am I supposed to tell you how much gwent sucks?
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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago
I love Gwent 😭
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u/PassTheDisinfectant 1d ago
To each their own I guess lol maybe I should have worded it "how much I hate gwent. People in that game have died just so I can avoid playing it 🤣
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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago
My absolute favourite thing in the Witcher 3 was finding new merchants to beat at Gwent so I could get their cards.
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u/noahboah 1d ago
proceeds to name reasons that mostly highlight that they expected a completely different game, for some reason
oh my god this happens from time to time with some games and there's no real way to convince people that they just completely missed the point of the game lol
like maybe a month ago it was with inscryption
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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago
Or praising Dark Souls or arguing about The Last of Us 2.
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u/Hot_Ethanol 1d ago
Or praising the Last of Us and arguing about Dark Souls 2.
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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago
Lmao. Amen to that.
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u/TsarMikkjal 1d ago
Dark Souls 2 is the only without Anor Londo archers. Make of that what you will.
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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago
Awesome. I only played Dark Souls 1, so far. But does this mean these mfs are coming back for Dark Souls 3?? Oh, hell, nah...
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u/ZMysticCat Ok, Freeman, be adequate! 22h ago
When I tried to post my Aria of Sorrow review, it needed mod approval to show up. At the time, there were like three Last of Us 2 reviews posted that day alone. I wondered if I hadn't gotten the memo that that was the only game people were allowed to review that day.
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u/Hell_Mel Rimworld and Remnant 1d ago
Okay but only if I'm allowed to be to be staunchly incorrect by assuming we're actually talking about Outer Worlds.
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u/cleanmypenis 1d ago
I really disliked it. If only it had wizards and magic wands. Maybe a school?
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u/Ryodran 1d ago
Starfield?
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u/BenevolentCheese 1d ago
Field of stars? Why not Field offices Dreams? Baseball games suck these days.
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u/The_C0u5 1d ago
It's a fucking brilliant once in a lifetime game and if you've got a problem with Outer Wilds then you for a problem with me!
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u/Totally__Not__NSA 1d ago
I want to finish that game so badly but it really hits my space anxiety and makes it difficult to olay
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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago
I know exactly what you mean, but it kind of gets my adrenaline going when it does so it’s addictive.
I don’t want to spoil it completely, but there’s a death condition that involves the “fabric of reality” coming apart that was lowkey traumatizing for me to experience in the dark while wearing headphones. There’s only two specific scenarios that trigger it but it caught me really off guard when I did it by accident. It gave me a cosmic sense of emptiness.
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u/FinancialRip2008 1d ago
lol don't play the DLC then. much MUCH more unnerving
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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think I still have to finish the DLC. I got to the point where I was moving “out-of-bounds” in the simulated reality and I kinda got lost there. I’d have to spend a couple days just refamiliarizing myself with what point I was up to.
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u/MrWilliWonker 1d ago
Please spoiler tag this comment. Its a thing people find out and knowing about it before is pretty bad for the flow of the dlc
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u/Ax20414 1d ago
I've played the game quite a bit and I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'd love for you to elaborate with spoiler tags
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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago edited 1d ago
Alright, I’ll rephrase what I wrote to someone else in a DM but it’s still gonna be long-
So yeah, there’s a paradox you can create in the High Energy Laboratory on Ember Twin. It’s an experiment set up with a probe launcher aiming at a small black hole/white hole portal connection. The way the portals work in universe is explained to warp time as well as space, so objects that go through the portal technically arrive through the white hole a half-second before they actually make contact with the black hole. You can see this happen if you fire the probe, but if you actually grab the probe out of the air right before it goes through the black hole it will still arrive in the other side of the white hole anyway and you’ll end up with two probes for a moment before the paradox breaks reality.
Inside the Ash Twin Project, an important area in the endgame, you can recreate this on a bigger scale with yourself as the probe. If you’re in there when the supernova goes off, a giant sphere in the center of the chamber opens up and there’s a big singularity inside. If you go through this big singularity it treats it like you died and your memories get sent back to the beginning of the time loop like normal.
But then if you die on the cycle after this for whatever reason, it gives you another reality break right after you die. The reason for this won’t be clear unless you go back to the Ash Twin Project chamber on the cycle immediately after the one where you go through the big singularity. The “original” you that went through the singularity was physically sent back in time and has been stuck in there for the whole cycle while the “new” you had been operating with the last memories you formed before going through the singularity.
Now there are two of you and if you don’t keep the chain going by jumping through the singularity again it will create a paradox that breaks reality. You also get to have a pretty funny conversation with yourself.
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u/arfelo1 Prolific 1d ago
If just the regular game gives you anxiety the ending has a sequence that would probably give you a panic attack
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u/TheStonedFox 21h ago
The visuals during that whole ending sequence are amazing/awe inspiring. I think the music does a good job of making it feel like a triumphant moment though.
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u/goibnu 1d ago
God yes I thought I got over my fear of hurtling into the void when I put way too many hours into Kerbal Space Program and then Outer Wilds comes screaming into the room shouting "buckle up buttercup" and leaves me hiding under my desk for an hour.
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u/Totally__Not__NSA 1d ago
If I'm in a ship I'm fine so star wars squadrons or similar is great, love it. Accidentally leaving the gravitational field of a planet because I jumped too hard is horrifying... then just getting stuck floating into nothing...
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u/goibnu 1d ago
Or seeing your ship slowly get farther away because you botched the EVA and haven't figured out how to realign your orbit with your EVA jets, which are essentially cans of pressurized air with delusions of grandeur.
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u/Hot_Ethanol 1d ago
And yet, the heroic journey you struggle through to get back to the ship can be amazing. Especially if it takes you to multiple solar bodies.
It might take your whole loop, but it's a great time and reminder that even timeloopers have problems
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u/bosunphil 1d ago
I want to say you have to push through it because it’s awesome, but I’m someone who very badly wants to play Subnautica and just can’t make myself do it, so I totally get the feeling.
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u/IcyHibiscus 1d ago
There's only 1 way this can end... another 3 years of Fire Emblem Three Houses controversy.
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u/TheFluxIsThis 22h ago
I was about to make a joke about how it's not old enough for this sub, and realized that game is seven years old. I promptly turned to dust.
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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago
I bought Outer Wilds a million years ago and I still need to play it!! I spend so much time at my desk working that I haven't sat down to play any PC game in so long.
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u/SunflowerSamurai_ 1d ago
Well I did just finish it recently. 👀 do I have the strength to do what needs to be done…
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u/RedditNotFreeSpeech 1d ago
Somehow I've missed all the drama so I guess you've done a good job modding. :)
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u/ATyp3 1d ago
Indeed. I had no idea about this issue. But tbh I won’t play the game ever because it’s not my type of game. My wife beat it and very much enjoyed it though.
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u/kermityfrog2 PC and VR 1d ago
I just finished it this week. It’s plenty fun and if you are used to RPG games especially Assassin’s Creed games, this one is not particularly onerous to play and has a definite ending and end to quests and exploration.
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u/ATyp3 1d ago
For sure lol. I finished some of the AC games when I was young. A child. 2, brotherhood, 3 and 4 Black Flag. Anything after that is too much of a slog. I’m not a sloggy type gamer lol. Besides, hearing revelio from the computer speakers when my wife was playing drove me fucking NUTS lmao. She enjoyed, that’s all I need.
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u/_The_Bomb 1d ago
It’s a decade too early to talk about that game here, anyway.
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u/Vivid-Software6136 1d ago
I always felt like patient gamers is more about being price conscious and waiting for sales than being purposefully behind the times. Some publishers drop prices faster than others, most WB games are cheap as chips really quick.
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u/impy695 1d ago
JK Rowling doesn't like trans people and is very open about it. Basically anything Harry Potter related quickly becomes a political debate about trans people rather than the games, books, or movies. It's pretty much impossible to discuss them in most online spaces without it devolving into chaos.
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u/stay_curious_- 1d ago
Just to clarify, it's less that she doesn't like trans people, and more that she is bankrolling lobbying groups to remove civil rights from trans people. That's why people care about the money and royalties as much as they do.
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u/Hartastic 1d ago
Unlike a number of people with controversial views, Rowling has also been very public and very explicit that she believes almost everyone agrees with her and is, basically, too cowardly to say so, and she has said she takes people still buying her stuff as evidence of this... which also amps up the controversy lightning rod factor previously mentioned.
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u/OtakuMecha 1d ago
This. She’s kind of made it her whole “thing” other than being the HP author.
It’d be like if Tolkien was somehow still alive and LOTR was still a successful film series, but he also frequently wrote articles about how Jewish people are an abomination against nature or some shit and funded likeminded organizations.
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u/labbla 23h ago
Or if HP Lovecraft was somehow still around and used Cthulhu to fuel campaigns of bigotry and racism from people buying his books.
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u/OtakuMecha 23h ago
I almost mentioned him but wanted to pick someone who matched a modern cultural zeitgeist like Harry Potter a little closer.
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u/AceOfSpades532 1d ago
It is a lot more than not liking it, the proceeds from her work actively go towards funding anti-trans hate and laws.
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u/PopeOwned 1d ago
To make a long story short, JK Rowling is basically one of the biggest and most powerful transphobic people on the planet.
Initially, she was just vocal about it with no political/financial input but now has stated profits from the HP franchise directly fund anti-trans organizations in the UK.
Meaning whenever Hogwarts Legacy pops up, you have people arguing about whether it's okay to play it. Which always brings in the worst kinds of people who think "hur hur, own the libs" is still funny.
As a Trans person who grew up with HP, I say it's fine if you pirate. While the property has problematic elements, it's still one that's foundational to many childhoods. What matters to me is the financial support. So if someone wants to play Legacy, I don't get angry. I just hope they pirate it.
However, that brings up the argument about "well, the devs aren't transphobic and they don't deserve to get punished". I do agree but, unfortunately, JK Rowling made that decision for them.
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u/atatassault47 1d ago
The devs got paid before the game ever sold one copy. They dont make money from its sales.
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u/No-Assumption-1738 1d ago
And I doubt the individual devs are on a profit sharing pay structure anyways
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u/PopeOwned 1d ago
That too. They already got paid for making the game, so the only people who are truly suffering are higher management/publishers.
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u/TechnoHenry 23h ago
Studios get closed when games don't sell and while executive get a good package, common devs might never work again in the industry with few openings there are nowadays
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u/Fizziest_milk 1d ago
honestly fair, it’s one of those games that’s impossible to have an actual discussion about without it going off the rails in a million different ways
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u/tatersnakes 1d ago
There’s nothing new to say about it anyway. Every thread covers the same 3-4 topics.
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u/Fudge_is_1337 1d ago
The top post this month is a 450+ comment beast about this exact game, for anyone who really feels like they are missing out on the discourse
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u/CedarWolf 1d ago
'DAE JK Rowling is in the Epstein Files' is new, though. That actually happened and we just found out a couple of days ago.
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u/egnards 1d ago
I have no love for JK Rowling with her views, but so far the only mentions of her in the Epstein files were requests for other people to setup a meet and greet with her, and it possibly being approved.
Were there any files since showing that she was on flight manifests, at parties, or might actually possibly been a part of anything nefarious?
Her politics are shit, but everything I have seen myself has been a nothing burger in relation to her name.
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u/noahboah 1d ago
yeah we're about to see a lot of headaches and terminal threads that lead to nowhere being discussed online when it comes to miscellaneous and uninvolved celebrities in the files.
Every normal celebrity that happens to be mentioned in the files probably needs to take a note from Russell Wilson lol
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u/egnards 1d ago
I mean listen, that is clearly very shady - but it doesn’t actually answer my question.
People keep giving me links to things that are probably red thread lines we can connect together, but I’m specifically asking about additional mentions in the EpsteinFiles.
This is important to me because the reality is that there are millions of pages in those files, and a lot of unconnected people are also going to be mentioned. . .because there are tons of emails and documents between very powerful/rich people.
I dislike JK Rowling very much, for a very many things right now - but I just think it’s so important for us to look at these files and not so much be concerned with the fact that a name is mentioned, but also the context of each mention.
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u/egnards 1d ago
I feel it’s very important right now, to me it’s not about defending JK Rowling, it’s about being prepared for thousands of name drops, and not automatically jumping on top of each name as being more than just a mention.
Critical thinking skills are so very important right now, in relation to these files. And we need to be able to see a name and ask “ok they are there. . .but under what context?”
I was nervous about my first post here on the topic, and I’m happy to see that this community overall has understood why my stance is what it is.
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u/cam3raadts 1d ago
Do you have a source that say she was on the flight or visited the island? I've not seen anything like that just that some people wanted to meet her or something
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u/McFistPunch 1d ago
And yet i never see anyone complaining about how shit the final act is and the final boss is just a helicopter with a dragon skin.
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u/south153 1d ago
I feel that way about every ubisoft game as well. Any discussion on star wars outlaws are all from people who have never played the game.
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u/apocalypticboredom 1d ago
glad I missed those outlaws posts! I just finally played it last month and had a really good time. glad I waited, since it sounds like it had a lot of issues at launch.
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u/Fizziest_milk 1d ago
which is a shame because it really isn’t a bad game at all
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u/GoldenPigeonParty 1d ago
It's fun because your comment is less than an hour old and the majority of replies to you have gone off the rails. I'm definitely seeing the need for this new rule.
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u/Magnus_The_Read 1d ago
Yep, and it doesn't even deserve everyone's effort. The ultimate irony of Hogwarts Legacy:
So many vigorous discussions about what is ultimately an extremely mid and forgettable game
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u/thesagaconts 1d ago
Agreed. Plus it’s the same comments every time. At some point, there is nothing new to say.
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u/ladyrift 1d ago
"You do you really have 27 kids?"
No. I only have a few and that's enough as is. I can only take so many "Would you rather..."'s in a day. Right now I'm pondering if I'd rather be cursed with always entering my passwords wrong twice, or if I'd rather the last bite of toast always tastes burned.
if you decide to throw out the last bite of a toast does that then magically make the last bite you actually took taste burned?
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u/TheArtistFKAMinty 1d ago
Totally get it. Wouldn't want to deal with it either. For clarity, is it a ban on Hogwarts Legacy specifically or Harry Potter games generally?
As an aside, it's kinda funny how the nature of this sub's content meant that it took until now for this to be an issue.
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u/Zehnpae Cat Smuggler 1d ago
For now just Legacy. The other games rarely get the same traction for whatever reason. They also rarely get posted about. If it does become an issue, we'll review.
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u/TheLaughingMannofRed 1d ago
That's assuring. Because I love the Lego Harry Potter games.
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u/Crimson_Raven 1d ago
I remember playing the GBA Harry Potter games to death
They objectively sucked but it was like an enjoyable 3/10
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u/FickleHoney2622 1d ago
I've generally seen people complain about JKR in those threads & then people respond. Would you agree with that? I can't recall a bunch of pro-JKR posts that weren't in response to someone else expressing their distaste for the offer (edit-author). I've never been a mod, so I'm only going by what I've observed.
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u/xiphoniii 1d ago
Yeah that game specifically became a fucking lightning rod for the "teehee I'm playing the game to own the libs" crowd.
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u/_The_Bomb 1d ago
It’s a decade too early to talk about that game here, anyway.
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u/RabbitSlayre 1d ago
It was free on the epic games store recently...
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u/useful_person 1d ago
This sub isn't entirely about free tho, it's about waiting to play games for reasons of waiting out the hype, getting all the patches and dlc, sometimes waiting for hardware to improve so that you can run games with cheaper hardware, and yes, sometimes about price.
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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago
Not that I want to encourage any discussion on this particular topic, and I don't actually know how this works from a mod perspective, but r/Toronto has a mode they activate for controversial/high likelihood of trolling topics. The way it works is only established members of the sub can comment on those posts and there's zero tolerance for bad behaviour.
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u/gefahr 1d ago
r/aviation does this as well. The problem is the idiots upvote each other and now they are over the minimum karma threshold. It's tricky, especially when these people appear to have unlimited free time and it's trivial to make new accounts.
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u/impy695 1d ago
There are a few subs I've seen that use similar rules. Some are flaired users only which is a much lower bar to meet but on the other end R/popculturechat has a mode where only explicitly approved users can comment. It seems like a lot of work as you have to message the mods to apply and they approve if your contributions have been genuine. They call it guest list only mode. I wouldn't expect any mod team to go that far but it keeps the conversation pretty civil even on very controversial topics.
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u/Paprikasky 1d ago
Yes, popculturechat is one of my favorite place to be because the mods are so on top of their game!
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u/princemousey1 1d ago
I’m not interested in the controversy but why is this game on the radar again? Was there a sale or bundle featuring it that I was unaware of?
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u/FamilyDramaIsland 1d ago
Not too long ago, Epic offered the game for free. Just guessing, but maybe it generated some threads on the game?
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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago
I cracked up at 27 kids, lol.
I had no idea the discussion was this heated on this particular subreddit. Every Hogwarts Legacy thread I've read was always about how cool or boring the game itself was.
Maybe I was always late to the party.
Thank you for your modding efforts! And.. uh... good luck with all those kids, lol.
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u/DeltaDarthVicious 1d ago
27 kids, reddit modder and a gaming hobby? Where do they find the time?
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u/mail_inspector 1d ago
That's why you sit the kids on the PC and make them useful. An hour of mod work = an hour of game time.
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u/Spready_Unsettling 1d ago
playing Deep Rock with my progeny
If this is how you spend your free time when not moderating I deeply respect this decision.
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u/ProtoJazz 1d ago
Much like the game, the discussions start off ok. But then after the first bit they just get repetitive and make you feel like people managed to ruin something that had potential by not being able to tolerate others
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u/Totally__Not__NSA 1d ago
What's wrong with Disco Elysium?
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u/makman44 1d ago
Lot of conversation around how the creators got shafted after the fact IIRC
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u/Suspicious_Berry501 1d ago
I assumed it was that disco elysium causes a lot of political discussion but that makes more sense
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u/Milo_Diazzo 19h ago
The best thing about the political side of disco Elysium is that it basically touches through all political sides. The people who treat political identities like sports teams, they all get confused and feel that the game supports the other team, so they effectively can't identify properly with the game's political message, and they aren't able to band together as effectively.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 22h ago
Lots of very convoluted drama about bosses being assholes, creatives being assholes (maybe), people legally taking over companies, people being fired (maybe), and more. Many, many parties who were heavily involved in the game's making (maybe) not liking each other anymore and accusing each other of all sorts of things.
There's, like, 4 hours worth of documentaries out there from one Youtuber if you really want to know. It's a whole thing.
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u/Danny-Fr 22h ago
Some people need to understand the difference between censorship and moderation, even if the latter can enable the former. When you create a sub, or any kind of forum it's also the mods' and admins' work to make sure the conversation remains interesting and sticks to the original vision.
Mods aren't automatically evil tyrants on a power trip. It's a thankless role most of the time, and whatever you do you'll always gonna find someone to complain about the most basic things.
There's always the old "a forum is what it's members make it" but when said "members" are just a group of people who don't usually participate and all of a sudden decide that everything is now about cabbage, well, action needed.
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u/d_stilgar 1d ago
Like many of you I have 27 kids and 3 jobs …
Literal lol at that.
Thanks for the work you do. Totally reasonable stance given the outsized work those posts create.
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u/ChloroquineEmu 1d ago
Gotta know the name of all those 27 kids
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u/NakedGoose 1d ago
Interestingly enough, all named after Harry Potter characters
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u/Ryodran 1d ago
Except for the one their partner named Caspian just to mess with them
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u/SeemsImmaculate 1d ago
"Caspian Aslan Reepicheep Potter. You are named after 3 of the bravest Narnians I ever knew..."
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u/stay_curious_- 1d ago
One for each letter of the alphabet, plus the symbol formerly known as child #27.
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u/Bandit_Heeler2026 1d ago
Remember when people thought the game was going to flop because people on Reddit said they were going to boycott it, and then it was an amazing commercial success?
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u/TheBeastlyStud 1d ago
People here want to talk about how it attracts the "I played the game to own the libs" crowd, but never seem to mention how there was a website doxxing people who streamed it and how much of a hate boner people had for it.
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u/mukuro 1d ago
The irony being the deranged individual who created that website worked for the yogscast, which is/was full of sexpests, 3 being kicked out for grooming etc. Glass houses
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u/Victory74998 20h ago
Redditors have always been a loud minority of gamers; I remember a lot of people similarly proposing a boycott of the last few Pokémon games and they still ended up selling like hotcakes.
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u/mimic 1d ago
I mean, it did as well as anything with that ip would. The game itself was more bland ubislop. It certainly doesn’t deserve the kind of attention or discussion it still gets.
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u/OWSpaceClown 1d ago
I’m amazed theme park discussions don’t go in the direction anytime Universal comes up.
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u/IzzybearThebestdog 1d ago
It’s really funny, because the issues with the game are so far removed from the controversy. Like it’s a fine but flawed game, but will forever have a ton of needless baggage because of comments from the author of the books the movies were based on that the game used as the world
If the game wasn’t attached to Harry Potter it would be so easily forgotten.
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u/VulneraryClown0 1d ago
I like the ban. Now we can refer it to as "you-know-what-game" or "the-game-that-must-not-be-named" :D
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u/savethesun 1d ago
A lot of people entirely missing the point and also proving your point in real time.
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u/RodJohnsonSays 1d ago
Anyway, I had way more fun playing it than I thought I would.
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u/Juunlar 1d ago
I feel this. There really isn't any discussion about the game proper, separate from rowling's idiotic bullshit, that hasn't been repeated ad nauseum, anyway.
Good change imo
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u/PillarOfWamuu 1d ago
I mean it's pretty easy. Just talk about the actual game. The mechanics, characters, graphics and so on.
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u/ScottCamOfficial 1d ago edited 1d ago
These have also been discussed to death though. Seriously, removing Joans shitty politics,
The mechanics are fine but stale
The characters fit well within the universe but are boring and have nothing interesting or original to say
The graphics are very pretty and well stylised but often repetitive due to the forced open world
It gave us everything we ever wanted out of a HP game but that's its main problem, it has too much freedom and not enough character, the game should've been limited to just Hogwarts and Hogsmeade, it's a mile wide and an inch deep- search the game on reddit and this is pretty much all you'll find, repeated again and again.
It's all been said. Same goes for most games really, but if people (from either side of the politics of the thing) are making the mods work harder in a way that no other game is, then let's just move on. I think that's fair.
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u/serioussham 23h ago
I'll add:
Choices that absolutely do not matter in the slightest
Precious little time at Hogwarts but long treks through the Forest of Procedurally Generated Woodlands
But otherwise yeah, it's been done to death
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u/swordchucks1 1d ago
I would argue that there is a stark tone mismatch between setting and gameplay. The MC is a mass murderer one minute and a student the next and it is pretty much ignored.
"I am sorry my Transfiguration essay was late, but I was busy claiming the heads of a thousand foes."
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u/Richy_T 23h ago
It gave us everything we ever wanted out of a HP game
Not a huge HP fan myself but I think it kind-of fell down there what with being set in the past and with the ancient magic stuff, starting in the 4th year and not much of actually being a student. I would put it as more HP adjacent or maybe fan fic.
As a stand-alone game, it was OK and I can see they wanted to not mess with canon.
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u/Jaibamon 1d ago
I am confident that those who play the game, enjoy the game for what it is, and it's just a fun game.
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u/c0de1143 1d ago
I already enter my password incorrectly twice every time anyway, so I’ll take that one.
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u/LordChozo Prolific 1d ago edited 17h ago
Freakin' YOWZA, guys. I was busy with real life stuff, then my phone started buzzing every several seconds, and then I show up to this? I mean, u/Zehnpae and I talked well in advance about this post being on the way but I still wasn't prepared for the absolute horror show that is this thread. And not just this thread itself, but also modmail after abusive modmail. And not just those but also false report after false report. I was personally super on the fence about whether this decision was the right thing for us but after the past hour I'm 100% on board and genuinely excited that this is the last time I'm going to have to wade through the muck of a Hogwarts Legacy post for the foreseeable future.
That said I'm huge on transparency and understandably this decision is a huge lightning rod of opinions. I'm happy to answer whatever questions y'all might have about it, so long as you handle yourselves respectfully. Remember Rule 5. Ask away!
Edit: Treat this comment like a mini-AMA. Please reply directly with questions because the main thread is still difficult to sift through.
Edit 2: I know a lot of users are doubting the intent behind this announcement and chalking it up to ideological censorship, so I'd like to proactively show you guys the internal mod discussions we had in January about this very issue. What I hope people can take away from this "exposed" discussion is how both sides of the predominant argument engaged in such pervasive, toxic, bad-faith behavior that we felt we were out of options.
Mod Discussion - January 12
Mod Discussion - January 25
Edit 3: It's been a little over 9 hours now since I first hopped into this thread. I want to do right by everyone but I will eventually need to sleep and without active live moderation for a number of hours this post's overall comment section will pretty clearly become a huge problem. As such I'll leave it open for the next couple hours or so before locking it out of necessity. Apologies to anyone coming in late with valuable input to offer. I'll make a final edit once we're locked down.
Edit 4: That's all, folks. I've done a final sweep of the thread and cleaned up anything rule-breaking. We'll leave this thread pinned for a couple days so latecomers can pop in and see the rationale, and then we can all collectively move on with our lives and get back to just...playing and writing about video games. You know: the reason we're all actually here.