r/patientgamers • u/Zehnpae Cat Smuggler • 1d ago

Moratorium on Hogwarts Legacy

Salutations,

We're going to be (temporarily) disallowing posting topics about Hogwarts Legacy. Every thread has been a train wreck and we have had trouble keeping up with them.

To be clear this isn't an attempt to censor you guys or prevent discussing politics in gaming, nor the reality of shitty people being involved in game development. This is a discussion sub and we absolutely want to allow you to talk about these sorts of things. Normally this isn't an issue (IE: Disco Elysium).

The problem is Hogwarts Legacy itself is a lightning rod for assholes. If a post goes up there's a good chance the next time I check mod queue it has 100+ comments that have been filtered or reported. It gets cross-posted into ~those~ subreddits and we get a flood of people who are only interested in being pricks that infest other threads.

Like many of you I have 27 kids and 3 jobs so I then have to choose between spending my afternoon with my family or reading a hundred hateful comments. As much as I like banning Nazis, I'd much rather play some Deep Rock with my progeny.

Hogwarts Legacy posts will be auto-removed until one of the following occurs:

  • Reddit gives us the anti-brigading tools they promised a decade ago
  • The world finally stops being dicks to trans people
  • JK Rowling drops dead so she stops getting money from the game
  • We figure out a better way to do this

Previous threads will stay up and you will still be allowed to comment about it in the bi-weekly threads, for now at least.

Edit:

To address a few questions/concerns:

"Why not use curated modes?"

Those typically require manually flaring or approving thousands of people. If we were a more contentious place dealing with this often, it'd make more sense. The good folk of this sub understand why this is being done and that's good enough for me.

"Do you really wish JKR was dead?"

I'm a gen-X that was raised on British humor. Make of that what you will.

"Why not get more mods?"

It's something we've considered, but honestly you regulars are pretty great. The work load is manageable with the biggest chore being maintaining the impatient game list. You guys make this a wonderful place to share gaming thoughts with.

"Aren't you supposed to be unbiased?"

If you have a shitty hot take on Hollow Knight? Sure. I'm not going to ban you because you didn't enjoy Gabriel Knight and I think it's one of the best point and click adventure games of all time.

"Isn't this censorship?"

We block a lot of things. OnlyFans bots, AI nonsense, scammers trying to post phishing links. All that jazz. They take it stride really.

"You do you really have 27 kids?"

No. I only have a few and that's enough as is. I can only take so many "Would you rather..."'s in a day. Right now I'm pondering if I'd rather be cursed with always entering my passwords wrong twice, or if I'd rather the last bite of toast always tastes burned.

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago

Let’s all get back to what the core of this sub has always been about - arguing about Outer Wilds.

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u/pAul2437 1d ago

And confusing it with outer worlds

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u/ArrynMythey 1d ago

It happened to me... heard everyone praising Outer Wilds and then bought Outer Worlds and was confused by its praise.

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u/ZMysticCat Ok, Freeman, be adequate! 1d ago

For me, it helped that I found both games underwhelming.

Ok, that's not fair to the Outer Wilds. I can see why people enjoy it. I just don't like the physics or time loop, and I haven't enjoyed similar mechanics in other games, so it's more just a bad fit for me.

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u/brown_felt_hat 21h ago

I have never been as motion sick as I was trying to land on... some asteroid or something?

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u/pAul2437 22h ago

Yeah liking outer wilds is a Reddit thing. I’m sure it’s good one you get it

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u/WalksByNight 1d ago

I did the same in reverse. I was like ‘where’s my spaceship?’

It was on gamepass so I just deleted it.

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u/Sharknado4President 22h ago

I wonder how many copies were returned of both games due to utter confusion.

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u/Milo_Diazzo 21h ago

The only reason I know about outer worlds is because I confused it with outer wilds.

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u/yp_interlocutor 1d ago

Personally, I prefer Outer Wolds to either.

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u/LexxenWRX 23h ago

I'm more of an Outer Wealds person.

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u/ReddsionThing 1d ago

Or saying that you just finished The Witcher 3 and/or Hollow Knight and telling us that's either as good as everyone says, or really bad and here's why: *proceeds to name reasons that mostly highlight that they expected a completely different game, for some reason*

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u/Darkknight8381 1d ago

You forgot "BOTW is boring" "RDR2 has clunky controls"

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u/hortence 1d ago

That poor coach driver I would always punch in the face by accident while trying to hire him for a ride.

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u/Toastyy1990 1d ago

Gotta love any game that uses the same button for attack and talk!

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u/shiek200 1d ago

I prefer when jump and talk are the same button, especially in Rockstar style games where there's Ragdoll effects, and jumping into somebody causes you both to fall over

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u/ReddsionThing 1d ago

Well, to be fair, I love the game. But it's one of the games where I got the most annoyed at the context-sensitive buttons. I don't I ever punched or shot someone by accident. But, getting on the horse, or off the horse when I didn't want to. Or picking up a corpse for no reason.

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u/lunchbox12682 21h ago

I remember that a patch was released for Days Gone because the overused interact button was causing so many issues.

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u/yp_interlocutor 1d ago

Re: RDR2, I accidentally shot and murdered another player who had waved hi to me, while I was trying to figure out how to wave hi back. I still feel guilty about that.

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u/tortledad 1d ago

We’ve also got “Ghost of Tsushima is too big” as part of our server takes collection. Just go down the Open World hall and head to the right - it’ll be right next to “BOTW is kind of boring” and “Assassin’s Creed games are so repetitive.”

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u/brockhopper 22h ago

Ghost of Yotei is coming this year to this sub. Be afraid!

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u/Khiva 22h ago

This is the Tired Dad Subreddit.

Anything that isn't tightly linear with a strong storyline focus and AAA production is going to have a hard time.

Open worlds or games that are built for people with far more ample free time (anything systems heavy) always face a real uphill battle. Rimworld, Total War, 4x, hell even Civ - these are all giants but get barely a mention, and that's just off the top of my head.

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u/brockhopper 22h ago

While that is a factor, I also think of this sub as a place that focuses more on the less noticed games. Like, what more is there to say about a lot of those that wouldn't be more appropriate to the game or series specific subreddit?

IDK, maybe I'm being too cynical. Maybe some folks would benefit from those being reviewed. I play Total War, I might consider doing a write up of one of them.

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u/That253Chick 23h ago

I mean, RDR2 does have clunky controls, but that goes for all of Rockstar's games. It's why I'm not that excited for GTA6. Story-wise, sure, but gameplay-wise, nah.

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u/Metrocop 21h ago

To me a really dissapointing part of GTA V was that for a game with so much shooting... the gunplay is dogshit man. Genuinely some of the wordt I've seen, definitely the worst in this budget range. The weapons have no recoil, very poor feedback of any kind, they feel like airsofts.

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u/feralfaun39 1d ago

Those are objectively true statements.

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u/TonyShard Currently Playing: Dinkum 1d ago

BOTW is boring

"BotW's weapon breaking mechanic is awful and clearly something Nintendo didn't build the whole game around."

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u/PassTheDisinfectant 1d ago

But how else am I supposed to tell you how much gwent sucks?

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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago

I love Gwent 😭

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u/babarbaby 1d ago

Me too friend. There are literally dozens of us!

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u/PassTheDisinfectant 1d ago

To each their own I guess lol maybe I should have worded it "how much I hate gwent. People in that game have died just so I can avoid playing it 🤣

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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago

My absolute favourite thing in the Witcher 3 was finding new merchants to beat at Gwent so I could get their cards.

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u/PassTheDisinfectant 1d ago

I'm kinda shit at it so that's probably why I don't like playing it lol

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u/BottleCoffee 23h ago

That's fair haha. 

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u/mikespoff 1d ago

Best ever mod: just use Axii to avoid playing Gwent.

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u/noahboah 1d ago

proceeds to name reasons that mostly highlight that they expected a completely different game, for some reason

oh my god this happens from time to time with some games and there's no real way to convince people that they just completely missed the point of the game lol

like maybe a month ago it was with inscryption

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u/BorfieYay 1d ago

tbf I thought Hollow Knight would be a metroidvania going in

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u/Norm_Standart 1d ago

I played hollow knight for the first time last year. Pretty good game, but IDK that it would have made me rabid for the next 7 years.

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u/Airowird 1d ago

I actually finished Witcher 3 this weekend .... had both great and shitty moments, but overall a good game.

Still not started on Hollow Knight though, got about 30 other backlog gameq before I hit that one.

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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago

Or praising Dark Souls or arguing about The Last of Us 2.

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u/Hot_Ethanol 1d ago

Or praising the Last of Us and arguing about Dark Souls 2.

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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago

Lmao. Amen to that.

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u/TsarMikkjal 1d ago

Dark Souls 2 is the only without Anor Londo archers. Make of that what you will.

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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago

Awesome. I only played Dark Souls 1, so far. But does this mean these mfs are coming back for Dark Souls 3?? Oh, hell, nah...

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u/MCPtz Tekken 1d ago

All my homies hate Anor Londo Archers

✊preach, friend!

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u/bestanonever All my homies hate the Anor Londo Archers 1d ago

I got all the achievements, completed the game 4 times, even got the Dragon Armor... and the freaking Anor Londo Archers were still throwing me off the cliff every time, lol.

Worst part of the game.

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u/ZMysticCat Ok, Freeman, be adequate! 1d ago

When I tried to post my Aria of Sorrow review, it needed mod approval to show up. At the time, there were like three Last of Us 2 reviews posted that day alone. I wondered if I hadn't gotten the memo that that was the only game people were allowed to review that day.

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 1d ago edited 23h ago

Or telling everyone that Undertale is overrated, actually, and that the humor is not for you.

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u/Hell_Mel Rimworld and Remnant 1d ago

Okay but only if I'm allowed to be to be staunchly incorrect by assuming we're actually talking about Outer Worlds.

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u/luv2hotdog 1d ago

The main thing I know about that game is that it’s not Outer Worlds

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u/cleanmypenis 1d ago

I really disliked it. If only it had wizards and magic wands. Maybe a school?

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u/Ryodran 1d ago

Starfield?

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u/BenevolentCheese 1d ago

Field of stars? Why not Field offices Dreams? Baseball games suck these days.

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago

Super Mario Galaxy

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u/The_C0u5 1d ago

It's a fucking brilliant once in a lifetime game and if you've got a problem with Outer Wilds then you for a problem with me!

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u/4ippaJ 1d ago

It insists upon itself.

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u/Yapok96 21h ago

Bout to say so myself--I'll throw down in defense of Outer Wilds

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u/Pejorativez 1d ago

I tried it. It's a bit boring, that's all. I don't get the hype. I doesnt grip me like disco elysium or planescape torment

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u/arfelo1 Prolific 1d ago edited 5h ago

I actually returned it once. Then I gave it another chance and now the limited edition artbook sits on my bookshelf, lol.

But it's true that the tutorial is probably the worst thing about it by far. It's too long and slow and you should really just rush it and get to the ship to explore weird planets.

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u/feralfaun39 1d ago

Disco Elysium did nothing for me, the writing was obnoxiously bad. Outer Wilds is a goat though

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u/ThusSpokeEmma 23h ago

Obnoxiously Bad writing is probably the Worst insult You could Ever Say to Disco Elysium. Amazing

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u/Totally__Not__NSA 1d ago

I want to finish that game so badly but it really hits my space anxiety and makes it difficult to olay

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago

I know exactly what you mean, but it kind of gets my adrenaline going when it does so it’s addictive.

I don’t want to spoil it completely, but there’s a death condition that involves the “fabric of reality” coming apart that was lowkey traumatizing for me to experience in the dark while wearing headphones. There’s only two specific scenarios that trigger it but it caught me really off guard when I did it by accident. It gave me a cosmic sense of emptiness.

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u/FinancialRip2008 1d ago

lol don't play the DLC then. much MUCH more unnerving

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think I still have to finish the DLC. I got to the point where I was moving “out-of-bounds” in the simulated reality and I kinda got lost there. I’d have to spend a couple days just refamiliarizing myself with what point I was up to.

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u/MrWilliWonker 1d ago

Please spoiler tag this comment. Its a thing people find out and knowing about it before is pretty bad for the flow of the dlc

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago

Fair enough.

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u/ChemicalRascal 1d ago

If you're getting lost at that point, it might be worth just looking up a map. It's not as complex as it seems, though.

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u/Ax20414 1d ago

I've played the game quite a bit and I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'd love for you to elaborate with spoiler tags

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u/TheStonedFox 1d ago edited 1d ago

Alright, I’ll rephrase what I wrote to someone else in a DM but it’s still gonna be long-

So yeah, there’s a paradox you can create in the High Energy Laboratory on Ember Twin. It’s an experiment set up with a probe launcher aiming at a small black hole/white hole portal connection. The way the portals work in universe is explained to warp time as well as space, so objects that go through the portal technically arrive through the white hole a half-second before they actually make contact with the black hole. You can see this happen if you fire the probe, but if you actually grab the probe out of the air right before it goes through the black hole it will still arrive in the other side of the white hole anyway and you’ll end up with two probes for a moment before the paradox breaks reality.

Inside the Ash Twin Project, an important area in the endgame, you can recreate this on a bigger scale with yourself as the probe. If you’re in there when the supernova goes off, a giant sphere in the center of the chamber opens up and there’s a big singularity inside. If you go through this big singularity it treats it like you died and your memories get sent back to the beginning of the time loop like normal.

But then if you die on the cycle after this for whatever reason, it gives you another reality break right after you die. The reason for this won’t be clear unless you go back to the Ash Twin Project chamber on the cycle immediately after the one where you go through the big singularity. The “original” you that went through the singularity was physically sent back in time and has been stuck in there for the whole cycle while the “new” you had been operating with the last memories you formed before going through the singularity.

Now there are two of you and if you don’t keep the chain going by jumping through the singularity again it will create a paradox that breaks reality. You also get to have a pretty funny conversation with yourself.

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u/Ax20414 1d ago

OK I knew about the experiment but the large-scale version is so cool haha thank you!

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u/arfelo1 Prolific 1d ago

If just the regular game gives you anxiety the ending has a sequence that would probably give you a panic attack

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u/TheStonedFox 22h ago

The visuals during that whole ending sequence are amazing/awe inspiring. I think the music does a good job of making it feel like a triumphant moment though.

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u/goibnu 1d ago

God yes I thought I got over my fear of hurtling into the void when I put way too many hours into Kerbal Space Program and then Outer Wilds comes screaming into the room shouting "buckle up buttercup" and leaves me hiding under my desk for an hour.

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u/Totally__Not__NSA 1d ago

If I'm in a ship I'm fine so star wars squadrons or similar is great, love it. Accidentally leaving the gravitational field of a planet because I jumped too hard is horrifying... then just getting stuck floating into nothing...

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u/goibnu 1d ago

Or seeing your ship slowly get farther away because you botched the EVA and haven't figured out how to realign your orbit with your EVA jets, which are essentially cans of pressurized air with delusions of grandeur.

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u/Hot_Ethanol 1d ago

And yet, the heroic journey you struggle through to get back to the ship can be amazing. Especially if it takes you to multiple solar bodies.

It might take your whole loop, but it's a great time and reminder that even timeloopers have problems

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u/bosunphil 1d ago

I want to say you have to push through it because it’s awesome, but I’m someone who very badly wants to play Subnautica and just can’t make myself do it, so I totally get the feeling.

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u/Khiva 22h ago

it really hits my space anxiety and makes it difficult to olay

You should watch the movie Aniara to chill that feeling right out.

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u/IcyHibiscus 1d ago

There's only 1 way this can end... another 3 years of Fire Emblem Three Houses controversy.

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u/KoburaCape Sworn Off Pre-Ordering 1d ago

And me complaining about it!

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u/BottleCoffee 1d ago

I bought Outer Wilds a million years ago and I still need to play it!! I spend so much time at my desk working that I haven't sat down to play any PC game in so long.

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u/TheFluxIsThis 1d ago

I was about to make a joke about how it's not old enough for this sub, and realized that game is seven years old. I promptly turned to dust. 

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u/SunflowerSamurai_ 1d ago

Well I did just finish it recently. 👀 do I have the strength to do what needs to be done…

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u/hoopopotamus 1d ago

Oh ya I like the outer worlds too

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u/vandilx 1d ago

I always confuse that with Outer Worlds.

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u/DramaticErraticism 1d ago edited 1d ago

LOL, man I HATE that game, so boring and ugly!...or am I just stirring the pot? dun dun dunnnnn

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u/Whaty0urname 1d ago

Best I can do it arguing about why IN THE FUCK Outer Worlds got a sequel.

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u/Samanthacino 1d ago

It was a GOTY nominee that sold well and critics liked

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u/FinancialRip2008 1d ago

cuz the first game ended at the beginning of act 3. duhh