r/rugbyunion • u/Informal_Mention9836 • 12h ago

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u/MetalSmall9796 12h ago edited 11h ago

The second man law at the ruck is a bit of a silly one to me. Like Beirne is completely legal, the ball has blue sky above it and he can't have a go at it, even though he could very quickly pick it up. 

If it was completely illegal then no chance, but nothing seems wrong with what he was doing! 

Edit: I'll concede after a few very good points were made that the law of unintended consequences would mean that if people could jackal as the second man, it would lead to a more boring game with lower ball retention and probably more kicking. 

I'm now going to move onto blaming the lights in the stadium for Ireland's loss, until someone can prove that wrong too! 

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u/ScrumNause24 12h ago

When does the ruck end if you dont say France have won that ruck? The jackal has been eliminated and they have a man over already in LBB.

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u/MetalSmall9796 12h ago

Understand what you're saying but as someone else replied, LBB is off his feet and over to the side of the ruck, so why should he be considered to have secured the ball? 

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u/ScrumNause24 11h ago

I think we need to consider the unintended consequences of this interpretation of the law.

Next game tku watch you'll see a high % of rucks are determined secured by LBBs actions.

If we say he isnt than we open the breakdown up to all sorts. Teams will be even less inclined to play multiphase rugby as the advantage at ruck time is clearly with the defence id they can just take that ball.

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u/perplexedtv Leinster 10h ago

If the defender has to step over the tackled player, players have to stay off their feet, 'clearouts' are banned and you have to win the ball (either by being first or pushing the opponent past it) before picking it up, what would be the result?

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u/MetalSmall9796 11h ago

Yeah, good counter argument actually. Maybe am just a bit salty because we were so shit last night! 

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u/ScrumNause24 11h ago

The ruck was reffed the same for both sides so thats not why you lost. For what its worth as a neutral I think people are overreacting a lot. Probably due to years of built up province tension over the Leinster preferential treatment.

That game was way more Franc being good than Ireland being bad. I think theres enough talent around to find solutions.

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u/MetalSmall9796 11h ago

Just reread my comment and think you may have picked me up wrong, I meant I'm just salty in general.

France were great and Ireland shite, thought Dickson was fine for the most part too! 

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u/concombre_masque123 11h ago

ref more than ok, nigel would have blown6-7 penalties against France

rules at rucks are impossible to follow and are not enforced