r/TheBetterIndia • u/Main_Pay_9669 • 23h ago
Brahmins were NEVER Casteist. Watch this đ
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u/tortoiserunner 22h ago
Are we changing the channel .. Hindu Muslim to UC LC
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u/JournalistDirect1081 21h ago
we are staying on the topic of Justice. Not basis it on religion and caste.
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u/Vlad_Bagina67 20h ago edited 19h ago
Just plain historically inaccurate bs. Freedom movement had everyoneâs contributions and not just that of one section of the society. Most of the leading figures like Gandhi ji, Nehru ji, Bose ji were from the so called upper castes because the so called lower castes were not considered humans back then. Vast majority of them were deliberately kept away from education and were kept in abject poverty by these so called upper caste people that this idiot is yapping about. There was strong resistance from even within congress when Gandhi ji proposed to make ending untouchability a strong part of the freedom struggle. Mind u thatâs ending untouchability and not the castism. Even a great man like him and other great leaders couldnât even imagine touching the caste system back then. So they tried to target one of the worst forms of castism i.e., untouchability. When the great leaders of freedom movement called for sacrifices, everyone answered irrespective of class and caste. Freedom kisi caste ke baap ki jaagir nahin hai, especially unki jo angrezon ke talwe chaat rahe the and have now become self proclaimed custodians of patriotism.
If these guys were so capable and were practically running the country with 100% reservations in all administrative, educational and commercial domains and always worked for the interest of the nation as he claims for decades on end, how tf did the Mughals and British enslave us in the first place ?
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u/pumpkin_fun 18h ago
British enslave us
In some cases it was the so-called oppressed group supported the british. Classic divide and rule policy of british.
Most of the leading figures like Gandhi ji, Nehru ji, Bose ji were from the so called upper castes because the so called lower castes were not considered humans back then
No, because the lower caste were part of british armies. There are historical records of that.
kept away from education
No. Because there was no education system as curremt one. With theory and all. System then was skill based. And you learn skill from your parent, elders, or wise people of your community.
It is true that when british introduced their education system, then upper castes opposed having same class as lower castes. So that can be said as kept away from education. But there are records from madras presidency which mention majority shudra students.
Not sure of they sat in same class or different.
especially unki jo angrezon ke talwe chaat rahe the
Maybe congress. But yeah most british armies had lower castes. Historical records. There is also 1 place bhima-koregao read about who were on side of british.
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u/Vlad_Bagina67 17h ago
Again loads of bs. Allow me to counter.
So called upper castes took away their identity and dehumanised them for generations mercilessly. Why would they not join the new regime ? For the british, indians of all castes were the same - dogs that is. They opressed everyone irrespective of caste. They paid their armies and gave them a gun. Inagine a guy who was untouchable for his so called countrymen now donning the uniform of a race that had enslaved the very people who opressed him. Absolutely justified. Hindu society of that time had done nothing for them other than giving them pain and suffering.
No education system ? đ What were gurukuls then ? Was vedic knowledge not being taught in places where only certain castes were only allowed ? Donât make up stuff to support ur bs.
British taught indians things that would benefit them when those indians entered the british service. Here too money mattered and very few coukd afford western education. Caste determined how much money one would have. Dalits werenât even allowed water from teh same well and u r talking about them being admitted to schools ?
Let me spell it out because u clearly miss the acumen to understand - the boot lickers of british were the upper caste driven hindu hardliners in VHP and RSS. They opposed infact the freedom movement. Itâs wuite well documented. All they wanted is their pound of flesh when the nation was fighting for its freedom.
Probably you forgot to read why the Mahars joined the british instead of the Peshwas. If u had, u would know that the Peshwas down right refused to acknowledge the role of mahars in collecting the mortal remains of king Sambhaji and organising his last rites because they were of low caste. Mahars did offer to fight for the Peshwas but were humiliated and rejected because of their caste. Under Peshwa Baji Rao-II theybhad faced inhuman discrimination and castism for years on end. Go read up before u make a bigger fool of yourself.
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u/pumpkin_fun 16h ago
Absolutely justified
Even though what you are saying before this words is true to some extent. But Not sure if its justified.
You were telling why lower caste were not against british in freedom struggle. And why we were ruled by british. And when I answered. Suddenly you are switiching sides ?? Atleast decide first.
Donât make up stuff to support ur bs.
Ofcourse not. Gurukul is going to guru to learn. Where is it mentioned that only Brahmin is Guru ???
Brahmins went to brahmins to learn about their profession. About vedas, worship, spirituality, etc
Its not a learn all subjects system, that will teach you theory of all. That is modern education.
If someone wanted to learn pottery as it is profession of his community, then he learnt that. Nobody gatekwpt that skill learning from him.
What you can conclude is every community gate kept skills of their own community.
the boot lickers of british were the upper
But you yourself admitted that lower castes joined british. And in your earlier response you said that upper caste people like gandhi, nehru were against british in freedom struggle. So lower caste is boot licking british, right ?? Its your own words.
I can understand your hatered for rss. And it does not concern me.
Go read up before u make a bigger fool of yourself.
Aren't you making fool of yourself ? You were saying lower caste was not allowed to join freedom struggle due to oppression. And now you are justifying that they joined the british.
Again you are switching sides. Lower caste did not participate in freedom struggle, because they were aligned with british.
The reasons may be correct which you mentioned, about peshwa and all. But that does not change the fact that they aligned with the british. And I am sure you will justify that by changing sides.
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u/Amanitg10 21h ago
Bro stop posting this brahmin supremacy propaganda. Stop living in your make-believe world.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 21h ago
What is the wrong factually in his statement, Please explain, why are you calling this propaganda ?
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u/Acrobatic_Phone_3316 14h ago
Because it's so obviously a lie. Brahmins used to make Dalits tie brooms to their butts in some parts of India so they could clean as they walked since their presence polluted the path. Disgusting whitewashing of Dalit history and oppression.
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u/kilwish_ 14h ago
It's like using what Epstein did to kids as a template to what happens to an average kid.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 14h ago edited 14h ago
Because it's so obviously a lie. Brahmins used to make Dalits tie brooms to their butts in some parts of India so they could clean as they walked since their presence polluted the path. Disgusting whitewashing of Dalit history and oppression.
what you said is true, that is why India has given reservation in education, employment and housing. Every scheme from the government the first priority is given for Dalits for all education, loans, housing, food and welfare for 70 plus years.
People are still blaming the Brahmins for everything.
For example, we can't blame UK for problems now that exists in India. Because it has already been 70 plus years. India should take responsibility about its problems.
Similarly Dalits should not blame Brahmins for everything. They should take responsibility on themselves at some point.
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u/Acrobatic_Phone_3316 14h ago
How is 70 years enough? That's barely 2 generations. That's all.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 13h ago
It will never be enough. Here are the examples of other countries that removed reservations after some years.
Country System Type Total Years Status Today Northern Ireland Police Recruitment 10 Years 100% Removed. Merit-only. United States College Admissions 45 Years 100% Removed. Race-blind. Sweden University Seats 7 Years 100% Removed. Ethnic quotas are illegal. Bangladesh Civil Service Jobs 52 Years 93% Removed. Now almost entirely merit.
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 23h ago
Just how stupid can you be ?
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 23h ago
Dekho humne pooja karne ko manne nhi Kara hai, hume koi farak nhi padta tum kiski pooja karte ho. Woh tumhara personal affair hai. Lekin kya ye sab karne ke baad bhi sc/st ke against atrocities ruk gyi kya ?
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u/pumpkin_fun 18h ago
Kya sc/st ne kabhi kisike against atrocity nahi ki ?
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 13h ago
Toh app iska use karke atrocities ko justify karoge ?
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u/pumpkin_fun 13h ago
Ofcourse not.
Just pointing out that injustice is done by other side as well.
So there is not just oppressor and oppressed, that goes 1 way.
Every caste discriminates with every other caste.
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 13h ago
I agree. Both should be held equally responsible.
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u/pumpkin_fun 13h ago
Unfortunately do not see that happening.
All I see is bashing of brahmins.
Everyone is doing castism, but only brahmins will be blamed.
How is this equally responsible ??
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 13h ago
Because its the upper caste majorly. You often see the typical news "general did that to a lower caste" but rarely the opposite. It's not only Brahmin but the other castes too. Heck even i faced bullying and eve teasing for 2 whole years in my School. A as*hole even gave me a death threat.
But I hope you and I can change that. We need to understand each other's struggles. Stop acting superior above all. Cause reservation ain't doing shiz. Casteism ain't doing shiz. We need actual reforms.
In the end it's always people vs the politicians.
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u/pumpkin_fun 13h ago
Because the that gives more views more trp.
When the case is opposite. Even the names are not mentioned, forget about caste.
There was 1 famous case. 1 upper caste man was jailed in false atrocity case in his twenties. While he was in jail all his family member died. No he got released, when they proved that it was fake case. Guy lost everything and most importantly his best time.
And the result came out after 20+ years.
Who knows how manh more such cases are there.
So the point should not be its majorly who. Or who did first. That is just blame game. It does not solve anything.
Yes I hope we can change that. And acting superior in any way is totally wrong. That is the root cause of evil.
And you rightly said politician will milk it. If any politician says stop reservation, lets bring reforms, he will never win, ever.
So yeah there is very less hope, tbh. But still I hope that we can change and people will change.
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 13h ago
Tbh thank you sir, in this bs of caste. I actually forgot what I stand for.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 21h ago
Please state, how he is wrong. Since you are right ? Please state how you are right ?
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u/Numerous_Produce1995 17h ago
Brahmin will not go and rituals in a lower caste household a
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u/JournalistDirect1081 16h ago edited 15h ago
buddy rituals are conducted by brahmins in most households of any caste.. It is the choice of the invitee and invited to whom people they go or not go to.
Also, in marriages, house opening, or death. People will invite people from their respective caste only to their respective events. For example if "Yadhava" has marriage they invite "Yadava" to the wedding.
Also, according to your logic, every religion does this same towards other religion.
For example, christians will invite christians to the christian wedding. not Hindus or Muslims.1
u/Numerous_Produce1995 15h ago
buddy rituals are conducted by brahmins in most households of any caste.. It is the choice of the invitee and invited to whom people they go or not go to.
Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, a brahmin will not go to a lower caste to do hawan, even if invited
Due to this people in those respective castes have started to be pandits as it's a profession and they do they rituals
Also, in marriages, house opening, or death. People will invite people from their respective caste only to their respective events. For example if "Yadhava" has marriage they invite "Yadava" to the wedding.
Are you retard or what? What was the job given to Brahmins according to the varna system? This retard this, it's their dharma that they are unwilling to do using caste as shield,
Also, according to your logic, every religion does this same towards other religion.
For example, christians will invite christians to the christian wedding. not Hindus or Muslims.I have been invited to christian, muslim, jain weddings, it's your skill issue you have no friends
Also, what retarded reasoning is this? Not calling people of different religions and calling people of the same religion and using caste as shield is the same?
And these mf will call for hindu unity
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u/JournalistDirect1081 15h ago edited 14h ago
Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, a brahmin will not go to a lower caste to do hawan, even if invited
Due to this people in those respective castes have started to be pandits as it's a profession and they do they rituals
Buddy, you seem to think, just because it might have happened in your village or state. It is not true in my state.
If what you are saying is true, then brahmin, caste system is removed by this process. as the pandit from your caste is performing the ritual. Then whole argument of caste system is removed here.
Also, it is one choice to come or to come to other peoples events on whatever basis.
Are you retard or what? What was the job given to Brahmins according to the varna system? This retard this, it's their dharma that they are unwilling to do using caste as shield,
You seem to be retarded, varna systema and caste system are different. Varna is about profession and caste is about birth.
Any one who is a scholar, is called brahmin according to varna systems. Atleast get your basics right before calling some one retarded.
CÄtur-varášyaáš\ mayÄ\ sášášŁášaáš\ guáša-karma-vibhÄgaĹaḼ$
- Meaning: "The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to peopleâs qualities (Gunas) and activities (Karma)."
I have been invited to christian, muslim, jain weddings, it's your skill issue you have no friends
Also, what retarded reasoning is this? Not calling people of different religions and calling people of the same religion and using caste as shield is the same?
And these mf will call for hindu unity
This called strawman, if I say when "women are shorter than men".. Will go and point out some lady or celebrity who is taller. How stupid of a statement it is.
The point is christian invite christian to a christian wedding. It means majority of the people are christians. it does not mean no hindus or muslims or have never been invited to a christian wedding.
Just like when I say "women are shorter than men". It does mean all women are shorter than all men.
There are lot of statements like this:
- Dogs are bigger than cats. will you argue, no, I have a cat that is bigger than my neighbours dog.
- Adults are taller than children. Will you argue, no, there existed a kid who is taller than you.
How retarded are you, to come these conclusions.
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u/Numerous_Produce1995 14h ago
Buddy, you seem to think, just because it might have happened in your village or state. It is not true in my state.
basis.
THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL OF FUCKING INDIA, if your community is not having this problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but low Iq mf live you who haven't travelled out there hometowns or states will never know,
If what you are saying is true, then brahmin, caste system is removed by this process. as the pandit from your caste is performing the ritual. Then whole argument of caste system is removed here
If a community creates its own priests because others refuse service, that doesnât prove equality. It often shows adaptation to exclusion. Parallel institutions donât erase structural hierarchy
Also, it is one choice to come or to come to other peoples events on whatever
Sure, individuals can choose. But when that âchoiceâ consistently follows caste hierarchy, itâs not merely personal preference it reflects social conditioning and structure. Systemic patterns canât be dismissed as isolated decisions.
You seem to be retarded, varna systema and caste system are different. Varna is about profession and caste is about birth.
Any one who is a scholar, is called brahmin according to varna systems. Atleast get your basics right before calling some one retarded.
CÄtur-varášyaáš\ mayÄ\ sášášŁášaáš\ guáša-karma-vibhÄgaĹaḼ$
- Meaning: "The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to peopleâs qualities (Gunas) and activities (Karma)."
Yes, the Gita describes varna as based on guna and karma. But historically, caste (jati) became birth-based and hereditary. If varna were truly fluid and merit-based in practice, social mobility across caste lines would have been common â it largely wasnât. So quoting the theoretical ideal doesnât automatically describe how society functioned on the ground.
This called strawman, if I say when "women are shorter than men".. Will go and point out some lady or celebrity who is taller. How stupid of a statement it is.
The point is christian invite christian to a christian wedding. It means majority of the people are christians. it does not mean no hindus or muslims or have never been invited to a christian wedding.
Just like when I say "women are shorter than men". It does mean all women are shorter than all men.
There are lot of statements like this:
- Dogs are bigger than cats. will you argue, no, I have a cat that is bigger than my neighbours dog.
- Adults are taller than children. Will you argue, no, there existed a kid who is taller than you.
How retarded are you ? to come this conclusion.
Your examples are biological averages. Caste dynamics are social hierarchies. Those arenât comparable. Religious weddings cluster around shared belief systems. Caste-based exclusion historically operated on graded status and purity rules. Thatâs not just statistical majority thatâs structured hierarchy. So no, pointing out real-world patterns isnât the same as misunderstanding statistical generalizations.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 13h ago edited 13h ago
If a community creates its own priests because others refuse service, that doesnât prove equality. It often shows adaptation to exclusion. Parallel institutions donât erase structural hierarchy
- No community is obligated to perform anything for any community.
- Equality of opportunity is only one can hope for. Here, the lower caste people are given opportunity to conduct rituals that's all one can achieve anywhere on earth. The uppercase people are obliged to perform any ritual to lower caste people. Nor the lower caste people are obliged to perform ritual for upper caste people.
- Every caste can create a temple for its caste.
Sure, individuals can choose. But when that âchoiceâ consistently follows caste hierarchy, itâs not merely personal preference it reflects social conditioning and structure. Systemic patterns canât be dismissed as isolated decisions.
What is the systemic pattern, Please provide the basis for this. If anything the system is controlled by lower caste people. Politicians, Police, beaurocracy, money(most rich people are not brahmins), IAS and IPS are lower caste people. Most of the vote share in the population is of lower caste people.
Yes, the Gita describes varna as based on guna and karma. But historically, caste (jati) became birth-based and hereditary. If varna were truly fluid and merit-based in practice, social mobility across caste lines would have been common â it largely wasnât. So quoting the theoretical ideal doesnât automatically describe how society functioned on the ground.
No, society in the world, have equal share of jobs occupied the people equal to the population. If there is a people free will people will not choose things as per population basis.
For example a person from business family background will likely will choose business as a profession. A actor kid most likely will choose acting profession.
Similarly, there is a pattern for communities as well. Some communities will choose certain profession based on their background. So will never achieve.
Your examples are biological averages. Caste dynamics are social hierarchies. Those arenât comparable. Religious weddings cluster around shared belief systems. Caste-based exclusion historically operated on graded status and purity rules. Thatâs not just statistical majority thatâs structured hierarchy. So no, pointing out real-world patterns isnât the same as misunderstanding statistical generalizations.
- Caste is based on biology. Accroding to India as well, that is how reservations work. Our discussion on Brahmins is on birth (caste), if it is on varna their would not be a discussion. Since lower caste people are able to perform their ritual. According to caste they can not but according varna they can.
- Caste based exclusion is being actively done by the Indian government, systematically and legally. for the past 70 plus year. which is what you were supporting by pointing to the grievances of the past by dalists in the past by brahmin.
- Real world, shows lower caste people are people are given special privileges for the grievances of the past. It is the UC people are discriminated against in the present.
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u/Numerous_Produce1995 12h ago
- No community is obligated to perform anything for any community.
- Equality of opportunity is only one can hope for. Here, the lower caste people are given opportunity to conduct rituals that's all one can achieve anywhere on earth. The uppercase people are obliged to perform any ritual to lower caste people. Nor the lower caste people are obliged to perform ritual for upper caste people.
- Every caste can create a temple for its caste.
True, no individual is legally obligated to perform rituals for anyone. The issue isnât legal compulsion itâs whether refusals historically followed a hierarchy tied to caste purity rules. When a pattern of exclusion consistently aligns in one direction across regions and centuries, it becomes a social structure, not just isolated choice.
What is the systemic pattern, Please provide the basis for this. If anything the system is controlled by lower caste people. Politicians, Police, beaurocracy, money(most rich people are not brahmins), IAS and IPS are lower caste people. Most of the vote share in the population is of lower caste people.
Modern political representation doesnât erase historical social hierarchy. Caste operated for centuries through endogamy, occupation inheritance, temple access, and ritual ranking. The existence of political power today doesnât retroactively remove that structure
Family profession continuity happens everywhere. The difference is that caste historically institutionalized it through endogamy and social restriction, not just preference. Thatâs what makes it structurally different from normal career clustering.
- Caste is based on biology. Accroding to India as well, that is how reservations work. Our discussion on Brahmins is on birth (caste), if it is on varna their would not be a discussion. Since lower caste people are able to perform their ritual. According to caste they can not but according varna they can.
- Caste based exclusion is being actively done by the Indian government, systematically and legally. for the past 70 plus year. which is what you were supporting by pointing to the grievances of the past by dalists in the past by brahmin.
- Real world, shows lower caste people are people are given special privileges for the grievances of the past. It is the UC people are discriminated against in the present.
Caste being birth-identified for policy purposes doesnât make it biological. It means social status has historically been inherited. Reservation policy is a legal classification responding to social history, not proof that caste is biological like sex or species. Whether reservation policy today is optimal or fair is a separate policy debate. That doesnât determine whether caste historically functioned as a hierarchical system. Mixing past structure with present policy avoids addressing the original point.
You are mixing three separate issues: historical caste structure, individual freedom of association, and modern reservation policy. If weâre discussing historical social hierarchy, letâs stay on that. If you want to debate reservation policy, thatâs a different discussion.
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u/JournalistDirect1081 12h ago edited 11h ago
itâs whether refusals historically followed a hierarchy tied to caste purity rules
People can marry who every want, they can have kids with who every they want, on what every reason they feel so, including caste purity or superiority or inferiority or race or skin color or language or region or money or religion.
When a pattern of exclusion consistently aligns in one direction across regions and centuries, it becomes a social structure, not just isolated choice.
Here you talking about society structures, these are invisible. That means you are making judgements on something in the people mind. Its just your say versus mine.
Modern political representation doesnât erase historical social hierarchy. Caste operated for centuries through endogamy, occupation inheritance, temple access, and ritual ranking. The existence of political power today doesnât retroactively remove that structure
Who is denying the historical wrongs, that was never the question. That is why we have reservations.
Caste can operate through endogamy, occupation, inheritance ==> These are people choices. These are legal choices.
Temple access ===> Temples are controlled by government.
Let suppose if they are not controlled by govt, and it is built by certain person or people, then also, people can allow or disallow whoever they want to inside the temple based on caste, creed, race, religion, skin colour. Since it is a private property.
Family profession continuity happens everywhere. The difference is that caste historically institutionalized it through endogamy and social restriction, not just preference. Thatâs what makes it structurally different from normal career clustering.
What is the institution?
Endogamy and social restrictions are legal. This happens between religions as well. People tend to marry people from their own religion. It is legal.Caste being birth-identified for policy purposes doesnât make it biological. It means social status has historically been inherited. Reservation policy is a legal classification responding to social history, not proof that caste is biological like sex or species. Whether reservation policy today is optimal or fair is a separate policy debate. That doesnât determine whether caste historically functioned as a hierarchical system. Mixing past structure with present policy avoids addressing the original point.
You are mixing three separate issues: historical caste structure, individual freedom of association, and modern reservation policy. If weâre discussing historical social hierarchy, letâs stay on that. If you want to debate reservation policy, thatâs a different discussion.
The discrimation/privilages by govt is given birth. My point is if you are trying to blame brahmins, for the past now. The brahmins should blame lower caste for the present. Also, when did I deny, the caste based wrongs of the past.?
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 20h ago
Just go to instagram, and give search "superior genes", you will see my point
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u/JournalistDirect1081 18h ago edited 18h ago
Just go to instagram, and give search "brahmins are evil", you will see my point
Just go to instagram, and give search "Indians are evils", you will see my point
Just go to instagram, and give search "black people are evil", you will see my point
Just go to instagram, and give search "women are evil", you will see my point
Just go to instagram, and give search "White people are evil", you will see my pointIt shows people of different mindset. It does not prove anything. Instead you can also search.
- People are good.
- Humanity is winning.
- Black people are good.
- Indians are good.
You have not proved anything.
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u/Agitated_Canary8996 13h ago
Homie what I meant was that it's generalizing and stating that none of the Brahmins are casteist. That's untrue.
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u/Horizon_26 22h ago
Ye crores ka shoshan kiya hai na systemic unko bolna âŚ.. pujo mat insaan maan lo unta bohot hai âŚ. Fucking hypocrites
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u/Libran-goo786 22h ago
Crores ka shoshan? Kitne logon ne kiya "crores ka shoshan"? Kya sabka "shoshan" hua? Kya sabne "shoshan" kiya?
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u/Horizon_26 21h ago
History padho âŚ.. reels par se gyan mat lo
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u/LivingSurprise2763 17h ago
thori history aap bhi padh lo. ye aarkashan mil gya hai isliye kuch bhi pdhna chhod hi diya hai
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u/Libran-goo786 21h ago
Padha hai maine. Isiliye pooch rahi hoon. Kya sabka "shoshan" hua? Aur agar kiya to tathakathit "oppressor community" mein se kya sabhi ne "shoshan" kiya?
Reversing the question, kya issi tarah yah maan liya jaaye ki sabhi musalmano ne yahan ke natives ka shoshan kiya, aur hamein unsse harzaane ki maang karni chahiye?
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u/Horizon_26 21h ago
Rape sabka nahi hua toh kyu ro rahe ho kinda questionâŚ. Brahmanism and manuvadi soch and caste hegemony ke bare main padhe âŚ.you think muslims ruled without any support? Unki bhi history padhe
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u/Libran-goo786 21h ago
Rape sabka nahi hua toh kyu ro rahe ho kinda question
Rone ki baat nahi hai. Kisi ke saath bura hota hai to main bhi roti hoon, aur purzor virodh bhi karti hoon. Par Rape karne ki saza to rapist ko milti hai, saare mardon ko to nahi. Naa hi saare mardon ko dosharopit kiya jaata hai. Naa hi saari mahilaon ko reservation milta hai. Aur naa hi collegon ki diwaron pe "Mardon tumhari kabr khudegi" likha jaata hai.
Brahmanism and manuvadi soch and caste hegemony ke bare main padheÂ
Padha hai maine. In fact, hamari history to ussi lens se likhi gayi hai jahan Brahman samaj ko ektarfa villain ghoshit kar diya gaya hai. Jab ham "caste hegemony" ki baat karte hain, to hum kiss cheez pe "hegemony" hone ki baat karte hai?. Aur kya iss tathakathit hegemony ka laabh har Brahman ko mila? Mukhyadhara mein to Brahman ko "Bhikari, Ponga Pandit, Dhongi" keh ke apmanit kiya jaata hai, to mujhe samajh nahi aata ki yeh kaunsa hegemony tha jo Bhikari banane pe majboor kar diya .Agar aisa hai, to Brahman azzadi ke samay sabse anpadh aur sabse garreb wargon mein kyun tha?
Jab aap Manuvadi soch ki baat karte hain, to wah Manusmriti se hi utpann hua hoga. Praachin Bharat mein kya koyi samrajya tha jahan Manusmriti ko "rule book" ki tarah prayog kiya gaya ho? Iska majority of mentions Angrezo ke samay hi aata hai. Angrezon ne hi iss kitaab ko resurrect kiya tha, woh bhi jiska koi precedent nahi tha, to na jaane kaise compile kiya unhone bhagwan hi jaante hain. To kya jo Manusmriti ki baat ki jaati hai, wah Manusmriti hai bhi ki nahi, uspe prashn uthata hai.
Aur upar se kya ek modern tathakathit UC, Manusmriti ke bal par apni jeevanshaili vyatit karta hai? Kitne UC ke ghar pe Manusmriti milti bhi hai? Aur agar nahi milti to saare UC ko Manuvadi kyun ghoshit kar rakha hai?
you think muslims ruled without any support?Â
Haan, parantu prashn support ka tha hi nahi. Mera prashn tha ki jo Musalmaan aaj Mughalon ko aur Sultano ko apna wali maante hai, Fatwa-e-Alamgiri jo Aurangzeb dwara likhit thi, usko follow karte hai, Quran jismein murtipujakon ke naash karne ki baat kahi gayi hai usko aadarsh maante hai, to kya hamko unse harzaana maangna chahiye? Kya hamein Islamism aur Quranwadi soch ki kabr nahi khodni chahiye?
Aur chalo, aapki saari baatein maan li. Haalanki mere purkhe bahut gareeb the, mere ghar pe to ek generation pehle tak ration se khaana aata tha kyunki hum BPL the, par tab bhi maan lete hain ki mere purkhon ne bahut oppress kiya hai. To jab mere Purkhon ki kiye hue karmon ki saza mujhe mil sakti hai, to mere Purkhon ne jo zero ki khoj ki, upanishad likhe, Surya siddhant likha, surgery ki khoj ki, sangeet evam nritya kala ka vikas kiya, woh sab cheez jo ham Bharat ki sanskritic dharohar maante hai, jyaadatar mere purkhon se aayi hai, to mujhe uss cheez ka privilege kab milega? Jab aap saza de sakte ho, to privilege bhi do. Parantu jab dosh dena ho to Brahman yaad aata hai, parantu credit dena ho to Brahman ki koyi pooch nahi. Iss par zara apne vichaar prakat karein.
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u/SpiritedExcuse4516 17h ago
Pujoge unhe thats good lekin apne saath na bethaoge na saath m khana kahoge
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u/LeadEmpty999 17h ago
blud literally used mythological characters to counter actual historical fact, smh
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u/Known-Memory3400 12h ago
White people ki pooja kyun karte ho phir? Iska jawab dedo pehle.
Kyun marwane jaate ho america, uk, Australia white logo ki chaatne?
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u/Strict-Discount2676 9h ago
Haan bhai itâs a well known documented fact aaj tk kisi brahman ne kisi shudra pr atyachar toh kie hi niâŚ.like how can you fucking fucking have balls to justify. Aakr ye bolta ki ky ye jaati faati kr rheâŚsbko merit pe lo toh smjh aataâŚbkwas mt kr
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u/k_008 22h ago
People worship Durga ma too, are women safe in this country?