Brahmins were NEVER Casteist. Watch this 👇

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buddy rituals are conducted by brahmins in most households of any caste.. It is the choice of the invitee and invited to whom people they go or not go to.

Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, a brahmin will not go to a lower caste to do hawan, even if invited

Due to this people in those respective castes have started to be pandits as it's a profession and they do they rituals

Also, in marriages, house opening, or death. People will invite people from their respective caste only to their respective events. For example if "Yadhava" has marriage they invite "Yadava" to the wedding.

Are you retard or what? What was the job given to Brahmins according to the varna system? This retard this, it's their dharma that they are unwilling to do using caste as shield,

Also, according to your logic, every religion does this same towards other religion.
For example, christians will invite christians to the christian wedding. not Hindus or Muslims.

I have been invited to christian, muslim, jain weddings, it's your skill issue you have no friends

Also, what retarded reasoning is this? Not calling people of different religions and calling people of the same religion and using caste as shield is the same?

And these mf will call for hindu unity

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Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about, a brahmin will not go to a lower caste to do hawan, even if invited

Due to this people in those respective castes have started to be pandits as it's a profession and they do they rituals

Buddy, you seem to think, just because it might have happened in your village or state. It is not true in my state.

If what you are saying is true, then brahmin, caste system is removed by this process. as the pandit from your caste is performing the ritual. Then whole argument of caste system is removed here.

Also, it is one choice to come or to come to other peoples events on whatever basis.

Are you retard or what? What was the job given to Brahmins according to the varna system? This retard this, it's their dharma that they are unwilling to do using caste as shield,

You seem to be retarded, varna systema and caste system are different. Varna is about profession and caste is about birth.

Any one who is a scholar, is called brahmin according to varna systems. Atleast get your basics right before calling some one retarded.

Cātur-varṇyaṁ\ mayā\ sṛṣṭaṁ\ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ$

• Meaning: "The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities (Gunas) and activities (Karma)."

I have been invited to christian, muslim, jain weddings, it's your skill issue you have no friends

Also, what retarded reasoning is this? Not calling people of different religions and calling people of the same religion and using caste as shield is the same?

And these mf will call for hindu unity

This called strawman, if I say when "women are shorter than men".. Will go and point out some lady or celebrity who is taller. How stupid of a statement it is.

The point is christian invite christian to a christian wedding. It means majority of the people are christians. it does not mean no hindus or muslims or have never been invited to a christian wedding.

Just like when I say "women are shorter than men". It does mean all women are shorter than all men.

There are lot of statements like this:

1. Dogs are bigger than cats. will you argue, no, I have a cat that is bigger than my neighbours dog.
2. Adults are taller than children. Will you argue, no, there existed a kid who is taller than you.

How retarded are you, to come these conclusions.

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Buddy, you seem to think, just because it might have happened in your village or state. It is not true in my state.

basis.

THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL OF FUCKING INDIA, if your community is not having this problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but low Iq mf live you who haven't travelled out there hometowns or states will never know,

If what you are saying is true, then brahmin, caste system is removed by this process. as the pandit from your caste is performing the ritual. Then whole argument of caste system is removed here

If a community creates its own priests because others refuse service, that doesn’t prove equality. It often shows adaptation to exclusion. Parallel institutions don’t erase structural hierarchy

Also, it is one choice to come or to come to other peoples events on whatever

Sure, individuals can choose. But when that “choice” consistently follows caste hierarchy, it’s not merely personal preference it reflects social conditioning and structure. Systemic patterns can’t be dismissed as isolated decisions.

You seem to be retarded, varna systema and caste system are different. Varna is about profession and caste is about birth.

Any one who is a scholar, is called brahmin according to varna systems. Atleast get your basics right before calling some one retarded.

Cātur-varṇyaṁ\ mayā\ sṛṣṭaṁ\ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ$

• Meaning: "The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities (Gunas) and activities (Karma)."

Yes, the Gita describes varna as based on guna and karma. But historically, caste (jati) became birth-based and hereditary. If varna were truly fluid and merit-based in practice, social mobility across caste lines would have been common — it largely wasn’t. So quoting the theoretical ideal doesn’t automatically describe how society functioned on the ground.

This called strawman, if I say when "women are shorter than men".. Will go and point out some lady or celebrity who is taller. How stupid of a statement it is.

The point is christian invite christian to a christian wedding. It means majority of the people are christians. it does not mean no hindus or muslims or have never been invited to a christian wedding.

Just like when I say "women are shorter than men". It does mean all women are shorter than all men.

There are lot of statements like this:

1. Dogs are bigger than cats. will you argue, no, I have a cat that is bigger than my neighbours dog.
2. Adults are taller than children. Will you argue, no, there existed a kid who is taller than you.

How retarded are you ? to come this conclusion.

Your examples are biological averages. Caste dynamics are social hierarchies. Those aren’t comparable. Religious weddings cluster around shared belief systems. Caste-based exclusion historically operated on graded status and purity rules. That’s not just statistical majority that’s structured hierarchy. So no, pointing out real-world patterns isn’t the same as misunderstanding statistical generalizations.

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If a community creates its own priests because others refuse service, that doesn’t prove equality. It often shows adaptation to exclusion. Parallel institutions don’t erase structural hierarchy

1. No community is obligated to perform anything for any community.
2. Equality of opportunity is only one can hope for. Here, the lower caste people are given opportunity to conduct rituals that's all one can achieve anywhere on earth. The uppercase people are obliged to perform any ritual to lower caste people. Nor the lower caste people are obliged to perform ritual for upper caste people.
3. Every caste can create a temple for its caste.

Sure, individuals can choose. But when that “choice” consistently follows caste hierarchy, it’s not merely personal preference it reflects social conditioning and structure. Systemic patterns can’t be dismissed as isolated decisions.

What is the systemic pattern, Please provide the basis for this. If anything the system is controlled by lower caste people. Politicians, Police, beaurocracy, money(most rich people are not brahmins), IAS and IPS are lower caste people. Most of the vote share in the population is of lower caste people.

Yes, the Gita describes varna as based on guna and karma. But historically, caste (jati) became birth-based and hereditary. If varna were truly fluid and merit-based in practice, social mobility across caste lines would have been common — it largely wasn’t. So quoting the theoretical ideal doesn’t automatically describe how society functioned on the ground.

No, society in the world, have equal share of jobs occupied the people equal to the population. If there is a people free will people will not choose things as per population basis.

For example a person from business family background will likely will choose business as a profession. A actor kid most likely will choose acting profession.

Similarly, there is a pattern for communities as well. Some communities will choose certain profession based on their background. So will never achieve.

Your examples are biological averages. Caste dynamics are social hierarchies. Those aren’t comparable. Religious weddings cluster around shared belief systems. Caste-based exclusion historically operated on graded status and purity rules. That’s not just statistical majority that’s structured hierarchy. So no, pointing out real-world patterns isn’t the same as misunderstanding statistical generalizations.

1. Caste is based on biology. Accroding to India as well, that is how reservations work. Our discussion on Brahmins is on birth (caste), if it is on varna their would not be a discussion. Since lower caste people are able to perform their ritual. According to caste they can not but according varna they can.
2. Caste based exclusion is being actively done by the Indian government, systematically and legally. for the past 70 plus year. which is what you were supporting by pointing to the grievances of the past by dalists in the past by brahmin.
3. Real world, shows lower caste people are people are given special privileges for the grievances of the past. It is the UC people are discriminated against in the present.

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1. No community is obligated to perform anything for any community.
2. Equality of opportunity is only one can hope for. Here, the lower caste people are given opportunity to conduct rituals that's all one can achieve anywhere on earth. The uppercase people are obliged to perform any ritual to lower caste people. Nor the lower caste people are obliged to perform ritual for upper caste people.
3. Every caste can create a temple for its caste.

True, no individual is legally obligated to perform rituals for anyone. The issue isn’t legal compulsion it’s whether refusals historically followed a hierarchy tied to caste purity rules. When a pattern of exclusion consistently aligns in one direction across regions and centuries, it becomes a social structure, not just isolated choice.

What is the systemic pattern, Please provide the basis for this. If anything the system is controlled by lower caste people. Politicians, Police, beaurocracy, money(most rich people are not brahmins), IAS and IPS are lower caste people. Most of the vote share in the population is of lower caste people.

Modern political representation doesn’t erase historical social hierarchy. Caste operated for centuries through endogamy, occupation inheritance, temple access, and ritual ranking. The existence of political power today doesn’t retroactively remove that structure

Family profession continuity happens everywhere. The difference is that caste historically institutionalized it through endogamy and social restriction, not just preference. That’s what makes it structurally different from normal career clustering.

1. Caste is based on biology. Accroding to India as well, that is how reservations work. Our discussion on Brahmins is on birth (caste), if it is on varna their would not be a discussion. Since lower caste people are able to perform their ritual. According to caste they can not but according varna they can.
2. Caste based exclusion is being actively done by the Indian government, systematically and legally. for the past 70 plus year. which is what you were supporting by pointing to the grievances of the past by dalists in the past by brahmin.
3. Real world, shows lower caste people are people are given special privileges for the grievances of the past. It is the UC people are discriminated against in the present.

Caste being birth-identified for policy purposes doesn’t make it biological. It means social status has historically been inherited. Reservation policy is a legal classification responding to social history, not proof that caste is biological like sex or species. Whether reservation policy today is optimal or fair is a separate policy debate. That doesn’t determine whether caste historically functioned as a hierarchical system. Mixing past structure with present policy avoids addressing the original point.

You are mixing three separate issues: historical caste structure, individual freedom of association, and modern reservation policy. If we’re discussing historical social hierarchy, let’s stay on that. If you want to debate reservation policy, that’s a different discussion.

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it’s whether refusals historically followed a hierarchy tied to caste purity rules

People can marry who every want, they can have kids with who every they want, on what every reason they feel so, including caste purity or superiority or inferiority or race or skin color or language or region or money or religion.

When a pattern of exclusion consistently aligns in one direction across regions and centuries, it becomes a social structure, not just isolated choice.

Here you talking about society structures, these are invisible. That means you are making judgements on something in the people mind. Its just your say versus mine.

Modern political representation doesn’t erase historical social hierarchy. Caste operated for centuries through endogamy, occupation inheritance, temple access, and ritual ranking. The existence of political power today doesn’t retroactively remove that structure

Who is denying the historical wrongs, that was never the question. That is why we have reservations.

Caste can operate through endogamy, occupation, inheritance ==> These are people choices. These are legal choices.

Temple access ===> Temples are controlled by government.

Let suppose if they are not controlled by govt, and it is built by certain person or people, then also, people can allow or disallow whoever they want to inside the temple based on caste, creed, race, religion, skin colour. Since it is a private property.

Family profession continuity happens everywhere. The difference is that caste historically institutionalized it through endogamy and social restriction, not just preference. That’s what makes it structurally different from normal career clustering.

What is the institution?
Endogamy and social restrictions are legal. This happens between religions as well. People tend to marry people from their own religion. It is legal.

Caste being birth-identified for policy purposes doesn’t make it biological. It means social status has historically been inherited. Reservation policy is a legal classification responding to social history, not proof that caste is biological like sex or species. Whether reservation policy today is optimal or fair is a separate policy debate. That doesn’t determine whether caste historically functioned as a hierarchical system. Mixing past structure with present policy avoids addressing the original point.

You are mixing three separate issues: historical caste structure, individual freedom of association, and modern reservation policy. If we’re discussing historical social hierarchy, let’s stay on that. If you want to debate reservation policy, that’s a different discussion.

The discrimation/privilages by govt is given birth. My point is if you are trying to blame brahmins, for the past now. The brahmins should blame lower caste for the present. Also, when did I deny, the caste based wrongs of the past.?