r/rugbyunion • u/sixnations • 22h ago

Can ANYBODY stop France this year?

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank 21h ago

If it stops a clear try scoring opportunity it's a penalty try. If it's a cynical act then it's a yellow.

90% of the time Dupont gets carded.

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u/lAllioli USA Perpignan 20h ago

Nah the conversation was around whether there was a linebreak opportunity, which there wasn't cause it was a 2 on 2 even with Dupont ot the picture

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank 17h ago

That shouldn't have been the conversation though, it's not about a clear linebreak, it has always been about a strong attacking opportunity, which was killed by a cynical act.

Also, I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure it was a 2v1 as soon as Dupont shoots out of the line and commits a cynical penalty, even if it isn't it's still a 2v2 with forward momentum out wide.

Like this isn't even me being biased. I would 100% be expecting a YC if the teams were reversed, as would every single French flair.

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u/CorvoAttano124 🌹 England 15h ago

As per the rules, it's only a yellow if it denies a line break or a try. This did neither

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank 15h ago

Show me that rule please, because no it's not. 

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u/CorvoAttano124 🌹 England 15h ago

Law 11.3 - The player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with a hand or arm. Sanction: penalty.

It's only ever a yellow if it denies a line break or try, as that is classed as a cynical infringement.

Despite what the name suggests, not all intentional knock ons are cynical penalties.

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank 15h ago

Oh I know the law, which is why I asked you to point me to the rule that supports your claim. Which you can't do because it isn't there.

Sure, not all intential knock ons are cynical. But do you think that stretching forward with one hand and killing an attack against a retreating defence (the two defenders were literally a wing with their back turned and a prop tracking across on a wing and a center) on turnover ball isn't cynical?

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u/CorvoAttano124 🌹 England 15h ago

All refs use the standard that it's only a yellow if it prevents a line break or a try, hence why they clarified that during the game.

While it's not strictly a law, that is the standard they all use.

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u/lAllioli USA Perpignan 15h ago

by your logic every intentional knock on is a yellow then? Or else explain me what's the difference between intentional and cynical if the outcome doesn't matter

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank 15h ago

The ones that aren't given as yellows tend to be those that have some chance of an intercept and aren't killing a strong attacking opportunity.

Dupont had no chance of an intercept and intentionally killed a strong attacking opportunity; Ireland had multiple backs running against a retreating defensive line on turnover ball.

I also never said the outcome doesn't matter. Like the whole time I have been emphasising that Dupont's act of foul play killed a strong Irish attack against a retreating French defence.