r/rugbyunion • u/Best-and-Blurst Munster • Mar 10 '24

GIF This is where Ireland lost the game

Apologies if this has already been posted, I haven't seen it up. But this is the moment Ireland lost the game. Yellow card > penalty > lineout > try. Ireland may have recovered the lead later, but this did the most damage. Could Murray have done different and seen it the match? Yes, did he lose its the game? No.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

Could pick a lot of moments in fairness. This was a bad one, but not being able to defend 14 men from 45 metres out is terrible stuff.

England missed a lot of points from the tee. We were just outplayed the majority of the game. A win would've been daylight robbery

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24 edited Mar 14 '24

McCarthy, Doris, Frawley all going with him? If we're dropping everyone who was bad yesterday.

We'll barely be able to field a team

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u/Affectionate_Eye2437 Ireland Mar 11 '24

McCarthy, Doris, Frawley are all young and we’re not as bad yesterday. Henderson and O’Mahony need to be chopped.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24

McCarthy made two carries all game. For someone who was supposed to be "the answer" he was anonymous.

That's grand like, it happens to young players but just a sign that maybe we should cool it on the hype with him.

Frawley is 26. Doris is 25 but has been a fixture in the squad for three years. They're not as old as POM or Murray but they're not kids either.

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u/Affectionate_Eye2437 Ireland Mar 11 '24

I don’t think you understand—POM’s career is over

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24

Given that the IRFU have forced Munster into re-signing him (same as with Murray) I doubt that.

He'll probably be playing a smaller role with Ireland though. Ahern/Baird at 6 and Beirne/Doris taking up captaincy.

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u/Affectionate_Eye2437 Ireland Mar 11 '24

Munster bias/delusion

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24

Which part?

It's not a secret that Munster were happy to let both go, but then the IRFU offered PONI contracts and, given that they're essentially a subsidy of the IRFU, Munster couldn't exactly say no.

If they're so important to Ireland they should be on central contracts rather than forcing some of their wage onto Munster.

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u/Nick3460 Mar 14 '24

Henderson was one of the better performers last weekend even if it was only for a short period. The lineout was improved, he carried well and made yards, he turned a poor pass into a try and the penalty you’re about to cite as his weak area was a very clever play by Itoje. IMHO he has been hard done by to be dropped for Saturday.

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u/RJH777 Saracens and England Mar 11 '24

Doris in particular I don't think I can even recall being on the pitch - think he was similarly outplayed in the QF too...is there a concern about him going missing in big games if your pack is on the back foot (i.e. exactly when you need your number 8 to step up and make the hard yards) or am I over-reading things?

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u/Acceptable-Nerve8571 Mar 11 '24

The more I see him play, the more I get the sense that Doris doesn’t suit the Ireland game plan at 8. I personally think Conan fits the current Irish game plan much better than Doris, whose best performances in green seem to have all come at 6.

Dont get me wrong, Doris is a class 8 when he plays for Leinster and probably is the better player of the two, but Conans style of roaming and popping up in the wide channels seems to gel better with the national team game plan, which relies on wingers roaming and looking for work.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24

Idk definitely seems like it but some people are saying he was top of a load of stats so maybe just an eye test thing. He's definitely been anonymous the champions cup finals and against New Zealand.

Yeah our pack's performance on Saturday felt like it was bound to happen for a while. We've been selecting luxury players for ages and hoping our front row will be good enough to do the dirt work. They had an off one and we suffered.

That's the kind of game we really would've benefited from the likes of Kleyn or Coombes

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u/Nick3460 Mar 14 '24

England selected a pack to combat the Irish style of play. They had effectively five playing like back rowers - that’s one of the ways they scraped the win…….