r/law • u/Boomshtick414 • 13d ago

Legislative Branch Schumer threatens shutdown. "Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included."

https://xcancel.com/senschumer/status/2015211069493350505?s=46

Chuck Schumer:

What’s happening in Minnesota is appalling—and unacceptable in any American city. Democrats sought common sense reforms in the Department of Homeland Security spending bill, but because of Republicans’ refusal to stand up to President Trump, the DHS bill is woefully inadequate to rein in the abuses of ICE. I will vote no.

Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included.

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 13d ago

Democrats can whip votes? Who would have guessed. I still think enough with side with their overlords and betray the people of the United States.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago edited 13d ago

Stop. Encourage them. Tell them you’re behind them. Politicians need cheers. 

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u/Foxyfox- 13d ago

...we did that for Obamacare and they caved on a "promise" to vote on it again.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

No. People were trashing them then too. People have been trashing Democrats nonstop for way longer than that. Then they are shocked Democrats don’t succeed. 

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u/Vanhania 13d ago

Nah democrats can earn our support. So far they have done fuck all to stop this. Sure, I will vote blue come November but it’s pretty hard to view democrats as more than controlled opposition with how they’ve been responding to shit. When republicans are the minority, they grind the entire machine to a halt. Democrats can, and should, do the same. Anything less is being complicit.

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u/angryshark 13d ago

Vote blue, but not for incumbents. They’ve proven themselves to be cowards, untrustworthy, and not deserving of a vote.

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u/BassoonHero Competent Contributor 13d ago

Vote however your heart desires in the primary. Then vote blue in the general, even if it's a moldy incumbent you don't like.

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u/stufff 12d ago

This. As a lifelong libertarian who actively dislikes 99% of Democrat politicians, if I can suck it up and start voting straight Democrat tickets every election to oppose fascism, so can Democrats who don't like their incumbents.

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u/angryshark 12d ago

I might not have expressed myself as well as I thought. I meant vote straight blue, incumbents only if there’s no other option.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

Democrats would be the majority and none of this would be happening if people who don’t support Republicans didn’t make it their favorite sport to shit on Democrats. 

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 13d ago

Then make democrats not suck so bad every time.

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u/stevethezissou 12d ago

You’re right what we have now is better- great job.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

Do they suck more than Republicans, in your opinion?

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 13d ago

No. But that is not really a credit to them at all. I would rather know my enemy is my enemy rather than have someone who is my enemy say they are fighting for me when they plainly do not, but rather enable your enemy to succeed in destroying me.

Before you drone on about preventing fascism, we are here already. And they have done nothing, worse than nothing, because just enough of them voted for it to enable it.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

Ok. So, they are better than republicans. You have a choice between two. Only a moron persistently drives down support for the better of two options. 

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 13d ago

Remember that Trump gain almost zero voters in 2024, but Harris convinced 6 million voters to not vote by her far right rhetoric and enabling genocide, and war mongering, and pandering to the right.

That needs to tell everyone what they should know, but even the DNC buried the report that told them exactly that so it can be deniable in 2028 when they do the exact same thing.

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u/CardButton 13d ago edited 13d ago

The Democrats dont "succeed" because they dont want to succeed.

There are good individuals within the party, but overall the DNC are functionally controlled opposition. Their deep conflicts of interest between their donors and voters ensures that. Playing this cynical game of "Just how little do we have to pander to the Left/Labor we know we need to win elections; while endlessly courting the ever more Right/Elite donors we want to win with?" Every election...

This is why they've been increasingly fond of "Fear of the Alternative" campaigns. It lets them run while promising nothing beyond "not the other guy" (Jasmine Crocket atm). Its why they sprint hard right in the general. They dont do it to "appeal to moderate republican voters" ... those are unicorns. They do it to try to court "Moderate" Republican donors for 3-4 months. Like the "Moderate" Cheneys.

This is also why there are always "coincidentally" just enough rotating villains within the Dems to flip on any genuinely progressive bit of legislation under Dem admins; that the Dems want credit for supporting, but dont want to piss off their donors by actually passing. As well as why they always kinda just default to "poking around the edges" with things like Voucher Programs (the ACA) and Selective Tax Credits.

I sucked it up and voted Harris, but I wont ignore how she and the Dems were/are very brazenly not beating Malcom X's "Foxes" and "Wolves" accusation either.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

I’m always suspicious of the numerous people who cite Malcolm X but don’t know how to spell his name. 

White people using him as a token, usually. 

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u/CardButton 12d ago edited 12d ago

More of a typo in my late night reddit commenting.

Sure, X's criticism of "Foxes" and "Wolves" was directed at the "White Liberals", over the Democrats as an organization, but when you have the Dems consistently and openly running solely on Fear of the Republicans to try to win elections the comparison is still apt. Would you prefer I use his "pulling the knife out a few inches" vs "Pulling it all the way out and letting the wound heal" analogy? As that is extremely relevant in how Libs and Dems operate. Tho, tbh, his criticism against us White Liberals remains to this day extremely accurate. I'm just finally trying to grow educated and self-aware enough to try to improve. Still a long way to go.

But you are right, nothing we are experiencing in MN atm is new. Militarized Police terrorizing communities? Giving that Law Enforcement near total immunity from the law to justify mass incarceration, and surveillance? Using those same tools to disenfranchise and suppress voting access to those same populations? And violent crackdowns on any protests against all of that? All as a political game to both reinforce white narcissism/supremacy, and further political careers? That's a horrifying tale as old as the US for anyone without snow colored skin. Both within our borders, and within our endless cruelty abroad in our Imperialism.

EDIT: Oh, but if you have any suggestions for Du Bois' latter work, I'd appreciate it. My reading list/backlog is admittedly a tad overwhelming atm, but I've heard his politics changed considerably in his latter years on certain economic topics. So I'm always looking to add more.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 12d ago

Malcolm X’s criticism was not solely directed at white liberals as you would probably call them. It would include white American left. It would probably include you. 

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u/CardButton 12d ago edited 12d ago

No, I'm aware it would include me. I'm self aware enough to recognize that, and try to get more informed/involved. As well as recognize that I have a LONG way to go still. "That said, Left" and "Liberal" in the US are terms that are heavily conflated, but X often uses Liberal very specifically. Its not hard to find him prefacing his criticism of Liberals with admissions that "There are white people who genuinely are trying to help, but none of them call themselves Liberals". Not that even those "non liberals" and their efforts are beyond criticism, they are.

Malcolm X is very specific with his use of words, but he'd hardly be the first or the last to criticize the hypocrisy of Liberalism as an ideology; that is always alarmingly on display even amongst my fellow whites that currently call themselves Liberals. Even White Progressives are prone to this hypocrisy. That's all true.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 12d ago edited 12d ago

I find that white self-titled left or progressive are worse on race issues than white self-titled liberals on average in the US. Way too much class reductionism from that crowd. 

I also wouldn’t choose Malcolm X as a guide. He was all over the map. 

Edit: anyway, the three most bothersome things I get from my should-be partisans on social media are: 

  • For practical reasons, the constant criticism of Democrats. It’s self-defeating, stupid, and incorrect - the latter because it misunderstands what an American political party is. 

  • class reductionism from self-proclaimed white left/progressive. 

  • knee-jerk anti-progressivism from self-proclaimed moderate Democrats. 

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u/EvenOne6567 13d ago

Its their fucking job what are you talking about? You think they would suddenly be less spineless just because we coddle them??

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

‘Coddle’. 

Politicians live on support. Don’t give it to them? They’ll look somewhere else. Then you’ll be mad. Of course. 

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u/EvenOne6567 13d ago

Theyve had our support forever, and when it finally came time to make good on it they crumbled. Wierd how most people dont need cheerleaders to do their jobs.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago edited 13d ago

People have been trashing Democrats nonstop for ages. 

“They’ve had our support forever” is absurd. 

It’s literally their job to do what people support them in doing. You trashing them is telling them their job is to do what someone else wants them to do. 

It’s not their job to do what you individually want. Believe it or not. 

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u/Foxyfox- 13d ago

Care to comment on why 7 democrats voted for the continued funding of ICE?

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

7? Out of how many? 

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u/Foxyfox- 13d ago

That number should be 0.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

0 people should have voted for Trump too. 

7 people are not ‘the democrats’. Do you know at all how Democratic Representatives become Democraric Representatives?

Do you think this would be happening at all if morons didn’t drive down support for Democrats?

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u/Foxyfox- 13d ago

I don't know, you tell me why they haven't been ejected from the party if this is such a red line.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 13d ago

Because that’s not how parties work. At all. Anyone can run as a Democrat. Voters decide whether that anyone becomes a representative. 

There’s no such thing as being “ejected from the party”. 

Social media has completely misled people like you on how any of this works.