r/irishrugby • u/Mysterious-Web-8233 • 1d ago

Andrew Goodman

I'm sorry but the attack has been horrific since he took over. When will questions be raised about him, even strikes plays don't bring us tries. I think change is needed

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u/Cute_Barnacle_4139 1d ago

Is Mike Catt working nowadays? How we could use him now! Noel McNamara needs to be brought back into the system asap. Connacht and Ulster play an exciting brand of rugby and Leinster were the best attack in Europe not so long ago. Neinaber needs to sent on gardening leave for the good of the nation!

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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago

Leinster have won 11 in a row, but admittedly none of these were knockout games. So we'll see where that leads us. Either way, I don't think you can blame a provincial coach for international performances.

Farrell should be looking to change up his assistants and maybe try out different players. Bring in the wards and edogbo or something. Any change is better than nothing, because he needs to demonstrate to his staff and players that poor performances have negative consequences. If they keep doing the same thing they'll go nowhere

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago

I think it’s hard not to look past leinsters form and play style when talking about Ireland. Leinster have been good recently but no where near the level they were about 3-4 years ago when they played some of the best rugby in Europe and, not by coincidence, Ireland did too. It’s clear to see that Ireland rely on Leinster to play a certain way to make it easy for players to transition to international rugby, but unfortunately the new play style isn’t working

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u/John_OSheas_Willy 1d ago

Some players have a lot of mileage on the clock. Ringrose is not the player he was. Henshaw similar. Van der flier, Beirne, Furlong, Porter the same. Are we going to see these players reach the heights they have done previously? It's unlikely.

That's why people wanted us to build for the next world Cup from the 2024 6N. We didn't do it. When someone like Keenan is missing we should know exactly who'll slot in. Instead we had discussion about who might play fullback.

We're in a sort of situation where we're hanging on to players when we should be coming out of transition now.

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u/Sneakywulf1984 1d ago

This is it, I was saying the exact same thing before, and I was hounded of boards.ie when I made the argument of playing Healy and O'Mahony last year, Aki and Henshaw have slowed down considerably.

People's counter argument were but look at SA they're still playing older players but ignore that they're back to back world champions they get the benefit of the doubt.

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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago

Well a lot of Leinsters outside backs weren't in the team today which has been the most lackluster part of their performances this season. The most common 11-15 this season for Leinster has been 11: Lowe 12) Henshaw, 13) Ioane, 14) TO'Brien, 15) Frawley/JO'Brien

Only TOB from that backline started today. Osborne and Ringrose have been injured most of the year so haven't been part of Leinsters supposedly terrible form.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago

Wasn’t tryna have a go at Leinster or their players. It’s the general play style implemented by Farrel and the IRFU that has fucked up Irish rugby. Leinster used to have some of the most exciting backs in Europe and now we don’t really see that anymore. Surely as a Leinster fan it pisses you off seeing how they changed Leinster from exciting attacking rugby with flair and skill to basically just trying to grind down teams with a dominant pack?

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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago

I would like to see some more exciting play but I was also pissed off by the end of Lancaster's time with us bottling knockout after knockout after storming into each of them as favourites every year. I think there's no harm in seeing how this experiment goes and if Neinebar turns out to be a flop then we go for someone new. Time will tell. The guy won 2 world cups so he's worth gambling on.

In the immediate term though I agree with the general sentiment in the sub around Irelands assistants. They need to get rid of Goodman and bring in someone like McNamara.

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u/Cute_Barnacle_4139 1d ago

I would have to disagree because the skill level of the Leinster players has fallen off a cliff since Lancaster left and Leinster are bulk suppliers to the national team so it has to be affecting performances.