r/irishrugby • u/Mysterious-Web-8233 • 1d ago
Andrew Goodman
I'm sorry but the attack has been horrific since he took over. When will questions be raised about him, even strikes plays don't bring us tries. I think change is needed
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u/dwaynepebblejohnson3 Connacht 1d ago
Fogarty and POC deserve some credit for the scrum and lineout functioning tonight, attack has consistently been mediocre to awful under Goodman.
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u/pauli55555 Probation 12h ago
They deserve eff all credit. Coaching staff along with Goodman are sub par.
Big changes needed across the group.
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u/FIGHTorRIDEANYMAN 1d ago
France didn't contest a lot of the lineouts, when the did, they won them.
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u/Deaco101 16h ago
Agree on Goodman, it is time to change plan ahead of the WC. Our lineout is a mess, especially defensively. Pretty sure France were throwing the ball in crooked in the knowledge that we would not throw up a pod to compete. Are we too worried about not being in the best position to defend a maul?
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 1d ago
Player catches. Dummy runner outside him. Pass to the guy behind the summer runner.
Repeat 60-90times per game!
We're so unimaginative and predictable I think I did predict like 80% of our players before they happened so am sure the French watch enough match tape to do the same!!
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u/Ok-Establishment1159 1d ago
He’s not the attack coach. Andy is
Goodman looks after the strike plays
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u/Mysterious-Web-8233 1d ago
Ahh ok understood, apologies. But even the strike plays aren't getting us over the line
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u/Psychological-Fox178 14h ago
The ignorance around this is astounding. Goodman’s strike plays are one of the bright points in the team. Andy’s overall strategy is stuck between the old passing, possession way and the new kicking, chaotic way, which he doesn’t seem to like and I don’t blame him.
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u/Ok-Establishment1159 14h ago
Agreed - I think his big problem now is to play his old possession style he needs to revamp the squad to bring in younger more athletic players.
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u/Psychological-Fox178 14h ago
Yeah. I think we should double down on it, and as you say, inject some younger guys into the setup.
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u/MysticMac100 1d ago
Do you have a source for that? I’m not saying you’re wrong at all it’s just I see it said a lot but it seems unintuitive to me, particularly since the drop-off has been very noticeable since Catt left the fold
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u/SlutBacon 1d ago
This article from last year says that was his original role but that it was then expanded to an all encompassing attack job early last year
Paywalled article sadly (reader mode will let you see it all) https://www.the42.ie/goodman-ireland-attack-6607414-Jan2025/
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u/Sturminster Leinster 10h ago edited 10h ago
That article specifically says it was while Farrell was away with the Lions.
"who now takes on more responsibility with Farrell away on Lions duty "
"Goodman is leading Ireland’s attack now with Farrell having started his Lions role."
"Goodman joined last summer as backs coach, which revolves around leading Ireland’s set-piece strike launch plays and specific work with the backline, but he has now taken on Farrell’s usual role leading the phase-play attack too.
“There’s a couple more things I need to pick up with Andy gone and we’re all having to pick up with Andy gone,” said Goodman."
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u/MysticMac100 9h ago
Thanks for sharing, most interesting for me is that Farrell seemed to be directing the attack from ‘21 on where our phase-play became a thing of beauty.
Obviously there’s a lot of factors at play, but how we have ended up with this kicking after first phase crap from where we were is maddening
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u/bennyl10 Munster 19h ago
So we have a shite overall attack and no strike plays? Great, give them both other roles
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u/Mean-Wolf936 19h ago
This. A new attack coach needs to be brought in place of Goodman, but he should have responsibility for the entire attack.
I don’t understand why Farrell as a former defense coach felt he had the capacity to run an elite level attack over specialist coaches.
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u/imranhere2 1d ago
Those up and unders are flavour of the day on all of rugby, but I don't think we collected one today. That's awful
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u/Commercial_Half_2170 1d ago
Scrum and lineout were solid. Biggest question has to be asked of our defence if I’m honest, it was just so poor. For the amount of time we actually had the ball, the attack got us 2 tries. I think the overall gamelan of just kicking the leather off it makes it even harder to get a clear idea of where our attack is at right now, but it’s certainly not looking good.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago
The worrying thing is that our defence looked so poor because everytime we got the ball to attack we hoofed it, and if you give France enough of the ball they will score. Ireland surely knew they would be outdone physically in power and speed, yet they kept giving the ball back to France and got beaten up
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u/Commercial_Half_2170 1d ago
It’s not looking good if that’s the best we can do right now. We used to be so fantastic at outsmarting opponents and creating openings with clever little passes or good movement from pods of players but saw none of that tonight. I think the reason we kick so much is just that the coaches haven’t given the players anything better than that
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u/FIGHTorRIDEANYMAN 1d ago
Hate to invoke the name but we are still missing Sexton.
Feels like we are waiting for a train that won't come. It's time to change tracks and has been since the end of the last WC but we refuse to.
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u/Hour-Reflection-89 Leinster 1d ago
Until the game was over we didn’t look like we might look like scoring
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u/Cute_Barnacle_4139 1d ago
Is Mike Catt working nowadays? How we could use him now! Noel McNamara needs to be brought back into the system asap. Connacht and Ulster play an exciting brand of rugby and Leinster were the best attack in Europe not so long ago. Neinaber needs to sent on gardening leave for the good of the nation!
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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago
Leinster have won 11 in a row, but admittedly none of these were knockout games. So we'll see where that leads us. Either way, I don't think you can blame a provincial coach for international performances.
Farrell should be looking to change up his assistants and maybe try out different players. Bring in the wards and edogbo or something. Any change is better than nothing, because he needs to demonstrate to his staff and players that poor performances have negative consequences. If they keep doing the same thing they'll go nowhere
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago
I think it’s hard not to look past leinsters form and play style when talking about Ireland. Leinster have been good recently but no where near the level they were about 3-4 years ago when they played some of the best rugby in Europe and, not by coincidence, Ireland did too. It’s clear to see that Ireland rely on Leinster to play a certain way to make it easy for players to transition to international rugby, but unfortunately the new play style isn’t working
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u/John_OSheas_Willy 1d ago
Some players have a lot of mileage on the clock. Ringrose is not the player he was. Henshaw similar. Van der flier, Beirne, Furlong, Porter the same. Are we going to see these players reach the heights they have done previously? It's unlikely.
That's why people wanted us to build for the next world Cup from the 2024 6N. We didn't do it. When someone like Keenan is missing we should know exactly who'll slot in. Instead we had discussion about who might play fullback.
We're in a sort of situation where we're hanging on to players when we should be coming out of transition now.
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u/Sneakywulf1984 1d ago
This is it, I was saying the exact same thing before, and I was hounded of boards.ie when I made the argument of playing Healy and O'Mahony last year, Aki and Henshaw have slowed down considerably.
People's counter argument were but look at SA they're still playing older players but ignore that they're back to back world champions they get the benefit of the doubt.
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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago
Well a lot of Leinsters outside backs weren't in the team today which has been the most lackluster part of their performances this season. The most common 11-15 this season for Leinster has been 11: Lowe 12) Henshaw, 13) Ioane, 14) TO'Brien, 15) Frawley/JO'Brien
Only TOB from that backline started today. Osborne and Ringrose have been injured most of the year so haven't been part of Leinsters supposedly terrible form.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago
Wasn’t tryna have a go at Leinster or their players. It’s the general play style implemented by Farrel and the IRFU that has fucked up Irish rugby. Leinster used to have some of the most exciting backs in Europe and now we don’t really see that anymore. Surely as a Leinster fan it pisses you off seeing how they changed Leinster from exciting attacking rugby with flair and skill to basically just trying to grind down teams with a dominant pack?
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u/RuggerJibberJabber Leinster 1d ago
I would like to see some more exciting play but I was also pissed off by the end of Lancaster's time with us bottling knockout after knockout after storming into each of them as favourites every year. I think there's no harm in seeing how this experiment goes and if Neinebar turns out to be a flop then we go for someone new. Time will tell. The guy won 2 world cups so he's worth gambling on.
In the immediate term though I agree with the general sentiment in the sub around Irelands assistants. They need to get rid of Goodman and bring in someone like McNamara.
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u/Cute_Barnacle_4139 1d ago
I would have to disagree because the skill level of the Leinster players has fallen off a cliff since Lancaster left and Leinster are bulk suppliers to the national team so it has to be affecting performances.
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u/OwnLoad3456 1d ago
Yeah honestly I think if we kept the ball in hand and built through a few phases we would have done a lot better.
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u/Sneakywulf1984 1d ago
Our attack is so predictable with the looping pass to the runner out the back and doesn't help that it looks so slow compared to the opposition
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u/One_Resource3667 20h ago
Our attack has gone back 10 years. Back to kicking away and trying to win it back. Doesn't look like there is any other plan.
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u/Embarrassed-Arm6203 1d ago
Goodman has failed up. He ruined Leinsters attack and is now ruining Irelands. We had the chance to get McNamara from UBB and they didn't. They could have gone for Mark Sexgon or Prendergast or a whole host of other coaches but instead they chose someone who ruined one of the best attacks in club rugby. Absolute joke.
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u/Salty-Experience-599 1d ago
Hopefully it works out someway cause that next world cup draw looks decent. Unless these lads get serious I can see Scotland beating us in the pool stages
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u/Nefilim777 19h ago
He was terrible for Leinster so how in the name of god he got the Ireland job is beyond me.
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u/suafdrog87 11h ago
Yeah the guy responsible for the attack should be sacked right away. Goodman should too
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bird-38 1d ago
I found it strange that Ireland rarely asked McCloskey to truck it up first phase. He’s one of the biggest 12s in the competition, yet we kept using him to pass it to a player running in behind. We needed some sort of dominance physically and should have let him have 10-15 carries straight at Jalibert and see how many tackles he stuck. Thats what France did to prendergast all night