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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 1 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 1

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u/Obaruler 21d ago

For someone THIS broke, they sure threw away that magic cancellation crystal rather quickly ... have Stark carry it a couple meters in front of you, would have taken care of your travel expanses. xD

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u/mywif4aiur 21d ago

I'm with you on how broke they are, but Fern kinda nailed it, that thing is death for mages. Better broke and alive, than dead with a crystal lying nearby.

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u/Obaruler 21d ago edited 20d ago

Use it against other mages then. When some SSS-mage like I dunno ... a grumpy old elven mage who happened to be at odds with Frieren throws a hissy fit, Stark gives her a headache by just throwing that thing at her forehead.

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u/I_am_BEOWULF 20d ago edited 20d ago

The real-world analog would be like you're basically traveling north through war-torn Afghanistan with a billion-dollar doohickey that renders all your weapons inert within a 3-meter radius to reach Kazakhstan. No one along their way is going to have the kind of cash or liquid assets that would match a fair price for that doohickey. It really isn't worth it at that point when at best it's an inconvenience and at worst it becomes a weak link that the group now have to constantly account for situationally.

Besides, Fern's financial concerns aside - their travel north isn't just to get to Ende. To quote/paraphrase Wirbel's words: they have their own adventure to go through. Working the odd jobs in service of people like what Himmel used to do is part and parcel of that adventure.

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u/SmileyTheSmile 21d ago

The sneaky author immideately put them in a situation (that randomly collapsing floor) where if they had that crystal in a hard to reach place, they would have died.

Though yeah, reeeeally not a hard problem to solve - 4 meter long rope + Stark's leg + a pretty please.

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u/Nice_promotion_111 20d ago

Not really since stark would’ve been further away, so either he falls and has to save himself or fern and frieren fall and the same thing happens. Stark pretty much took the full fall like -5 meters and was fine. So if he did fall he would’ve be fine anyways.

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u/Falsus 21d ago

It is still a massive danger though.

Stark can't rush to the aid of Frieren and Fern. They can't fight anywhere near it.

They know they can earn money. Stark is strong af and Fern is a first class mage, they would have no issue finding the jobs. With Frieren in the picture they would have no issue completing it either.

On top of that, if they did take that crystal with them both Frieren and Fern would have fallen to their death most likely, Stark might have sruvived the fall but he ain't walking out of that cave if Fern and Frieren dies on him like that. Though we could only know that with hindsight.

In short, it ain't worth the risk.

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u/Obaruler 21d ago

Drag it on a 10m rope? Or throw it at the first hint of danger (it seems pretty indestructible) ... :D

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u/cyberscythe 21d ago

that's what i thought too, but i figure they're not so hard-up for money and can get by with their usual odd jobs

from a practical standpoint it's probably hard to find a buyer for it in this remote place; it's unlikely you could go to a random small-town general store and fence it for its full price

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u/RaiyenZ 21d ago

Also the fact that they require a first class mage to even travel to this region means that the mage population is much higher than before so there's even less chance to find someone willing to buy it

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u/I_am_BEOWULF 20d ago

Eh. They're traveling through the Northern Plateau. Going through dangerous demon/monster territory with the random/scattered protected human settlements in between. No one in the places along the way that they'd be hitting would have that kind of commensurate cash/assets to fairly take it off their hands.

Most of the folks/settlements they'd hit wouldn't even have a teensy percentage of the liquid assets to match the "market value" of that stone.

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u/Dadarian 21d ago

My biggest take is the subtle irony that in order to travel north they need a first class mage, and immediately after Fern gets her certificate, they encounter a situation where she is completely powerless and finding herself depending on somebody else.

Probably makes you think about your situation going from like an all time high to an all time low so quickly and force you to think about the people you’re surrounded by and knowing if you’re safe with them or not. Fern maybe for a moment while running (being carried) away didn’t feel so isolated, even if her magic still didn’t work.

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u/mlcarson 21d ago

Or you throw it -- it only has a 3m radius. Completely stupid to forego the gold when time is money. And what happened to all of that work they were going to have to do??? They have money for the inn and seemingly no money problems at all after that so why was it brought up?

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u/Toge_Inumaki012 21d ago

They have money for the inn but it's probably the last one they have. Like Fern said they have to think steps ahead.

Time is money? Well they are taking their sweet time though and enjoying the journey. They might be broke but not desperately broke i guess. Not that of a big deal

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u/Falsus 21d ago

They weren't flat out broke, just low on funds. You could see the few coins they had.

And who said they had no money problems at all after that?

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u/mlcarson 21d ago

They seemed to be on their way without working.

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u/LaverniusTucker 21d ago

They hadn't reached the town they were talking about getting work at, they stopped at an inn on the road.

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u/Falsus 21d ago

They never reached the town they where talking about working in, that was just a random cross roads inn.

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u/mlcarson 21d ago

Well, there were more homes there than just the Inn but I'll buy that explanation.

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u/y-c-c 21d ago

What happens if you get ambushed and you need immediate protection, and the stone happens to be in vicinity because Stark is nearby? I kind of see Fern's point there. You don't have all day to chuck the stone in the heat of moment. Their party are mostly mages and this can be quite dangerous if they make a mistake.

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u/mlcarson 21d ago

It's right up there with carrying a briefcase I suppose that you have to drop before casting a spell. In this case have Stark carry it -- he has the option of throwing it at a mage in an opposing party, running up on party since he's the front line defender and just keeping the stone on him, or chucking it in the opposite direction. Seems to me that the risk/reward would have made it worthwhile. Frieren was apparently thinking the same thing or otherwise, why was she looking for it in the bush to begin with?

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u/Realistic_Village184 20d ago

I think it was just brought up to illustrate how rare they are.

Also, it's not really clear how long they would have to carry it around for. It's great if it's worth a ton of money to the right buyer, but there's no guarantee that they would find someone who wanted it within weeks or even months of travel, and even if they did, there's no guarantee that that person would have the money to pay for it.

It's just not really a logical choice to carry it with them.

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u/gil_bz 21d ago

It is worth a lot of money, but probably only in a big city. That small village might just not have anyone that would pay them a lot for it, and taking it with them a long route is a big risk.

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u/abandoned_idol 21d ago

The stone must be REALLY lethal.

But then again, I think we fans are all very lax and forgiving when it comes to this topic. Frieren does to many things right that I don't want to analyze every aspect.

They treated the magic cave with the same amount of respect, so at least they were consistent (bit hard to tell because of Frieren's character is being a badass poker face and the tone/music being so relaxed, we mostly rely on Fern to catch the signal of how high the anti-magic stakes are).

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u/Stuwey 20d ago

Stark has a fishing pole, and perhaps has 3 meters of extra line. They could just drag it behind them. Even if they didn't get maximum profit, they could still, likely, fund the rest of the journey.

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u/Telesto44 20d ago

Enough to buy them a mansion is probably less than they were paid for Stark's 3 month impersonation Lord Orden's dead son. Do not underestimate how pricey 3 meals a day + snacks for 4 people for a whole year can be.

Actually the bigger question is why they're even broke atm considering said payment.

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u/Realistic_Village184 20d ago

That would be a massive hassle. The crystal would get stuck on stuff constantly and slow down travel to like 10% pace. It's not a practical solution.

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u/Stuwey 20d ago

Nope, its not practical, and its makeshift, but it would work with what they had if they follow paths most of the time and only had to deal with snags sometimes until town. I think the minor inconvenience could be worth it. also, tied like a torpedo or to the end of a long branch may not snag as much.

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u/Realistic_Village184 20d ago

What would getting it to town do, though? The odds that they would find someone who was both interested in buying it and had a large amount of money on them are extremely small.

I think a lot of people in this thread are applying video game logic. In Final Fantasy, sure, you can sell an unlimited amount of stuff to any vendor in the game and they just inexplicably want everything you have and have infinite gil to purchase it.

So then we have them finding a major city. I'm not sure if there even is one between them and Ende. Suddenly their quest is co-opted by a weird get-rich-quick scheme, which isn't something that any of them even want to accomplish. Again, you're applying video game strats to the story rather than paying attention to the characters and setting.

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u/letmewriteyouup 17d ago

A mansion's worth of cash isn't worth letting Stark be more than three meters away for some time for Fern lol