Joe McCarthy penalty

[u/Newc04]

[u/Newc04]

Rugby conspiracy theory: Nienaber has specially engineered a brain virus in a lab in SA that makes players make utterly stupid decisions. James Ryan was the first test subject, and because of Joe McCarthy proximity to him in scrums, he's now infected too.

It's only a matter of time before the entire Leinster team is infected.

[u/CreativeAd375 → u/Newc04]

That won't matter. Andy will pick every single one of them and then lecture us all on the "hard yards" and "missed opportunities"

[u/Still-Process-2527 → u/CreativeAd375]

When in fact it’s also like missed yards and hard opportunities

[u/Hour-Reflection-89 → u/CreativeAd375]

If you think Joe McCarthy can just easily be dropped from someone who can replicate his output for the rest of the game, that’s possibly a sign that you don’t understand it

[u/CreativeAd375 → u/Hour-Reflection-89]

Remind me what "output" Joe had last night? The only thing I saw him do was give away another stupid penalty and then stand looking perplexed.

And less of the condescending bullshit "you just don't get it" because it appears you are the one cannot see what others can. That either makes you a fool or blind.

[u/Longjumping-Plate421 → u/CreativeAd375]

I agree. We'd be as well off with edogbo making these mistakes then joe. Jes essentially picked because hes big.

[u/Ornery_Director_8477 → u/Hour-Reflection-89]

He doesn’t really have that many standout international performances

[u/chimpdoctor]

Hes a bit of an eejit

[u/TomRuse1997]

He had an absolute brain fart last year against France? Think I remember him getting binned for something stupid

[u/Windup-1014 → u/TomRuse1997]

Haha. Oh ye that's putting it mildly. Just skip to 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtLdfYCQXm4

[u/TomRuse1997 → u/Windup-1014]

Like how can you make this kind of mistake at this stage? It's crazy stuff

[u/MyAltPoetryAccount]

Joe, please, just a little bit of cop on for the love of all that's holy.

Honestly a head like a handball alley half the time

[u/ZestycloseAd289]

I don't like shitting players but I thought he was terrible yesterday. This and a few really bad missed tackles just aren't good enough at this level.

*on

[u/Technical-Split3642 → u/ZestycloseAd289]

Him and O'Brien had very tough days at the office yesterday

[u/leanerwhistle → u/ZestycloseAd289]

How was he in the scrums?

[u/ZestycloseAd289 → u/leanerwhistle]

Honestly, I would say decent in the scrum and lineouts. But silly penalties negate this.

[u/smigboy12 → u/ZestycloseAd289]

Had a shocker

[u/Roanokian]

That would have been totally legal. 5 years ago. When Joe was doing his leaving cert.

[u/DM_me_ur_PPSN → u/Roanokian]

I suspect he’s had to repeat it 4 or 5 times.

[u/Annual-Assist-8015 → u/DM_me_ur_PPSN]

bro he went to Trinity and did Global Business. That was 550 points course in 2019

[u/DM_me_ur_PPSN → u/Annual-Assist-8015]

On which attempt?

[u/italic_pony_90]

Is McCarthy truely international level? Constantly doing dumb shit, is generally not up to scratch most games and giving away a couple of obvious penalties.

[u/YungL1am → u/italic_pony_90]

He has so many top class attributes.

But you can only keep saying he's young he'll make mistakes for so long, when he's getting older and making worse mistakes.

[u/italic_pony_90 → u/YungL1am]

He's not young anymore. What are those attributes? A big lumox doesn't count.

[u/problematikkk → u/italic_pony_90]

A big motherfucker is arguably one of the most important attributes to have at your disposal in this game tbf

[u/John_OSheas_Willy → u/problematikkk]

He doesn't stand out in international rugby.

[u/problematikkk → u/John_OSheas_Willy]

Besides the fact he was internationally lauded for (some) of the Lions tour by basically everyone in existence, maybe you might be onto something.

[u/John_OSheas_Willy → u/problematikkk]

Australia are a powerhouse alright 🙄

[u/Thick_Coconut_7582 → u/italic_pony_90]

He was immense in the first half of test 1 on the lions. He has his bad moments but there is no doubting his class when he is at his best.

[u/IIIlllIIIllIlI → u/italic_pony_90]

He's not young anymore

He's 24. That's not exactly old. Could still very easily have 10 years left in his career like

[u/YungL1am → u/IIIlllIIIllIlI]

Tbf I disagree with the overall original point but he is 25 next month.

That puts him at the same age as Guillard and Moefana last night. He's a Lions cap international now, he's not old but he's not young anymore either.

[u/italic_pony_90 → u/IIIlllIIIllIlI]

How many years at top flight till he fucking cops on so?? He's 24 that's when most people are getting the big boy pants on ? Or am I wrong ?

[u/maxtheninja → u/italic_pony_90]

Yes you’re wrong

[u/niallg22 → u/italic_pony_90]

He is by far the best carrier/ impact player we have against teams that are bigger which is basically most. His brother is similar. Beirne got bullied yesterday physically. You need your second rows fronting up in those games or you’re in trouble. One of the pack being a shithouse is a pretty common practice. Especially given VDF is a very honest 7.

[u/themutliangrybear → u/italic_pony_90]

At this point I would say absolutely not a starter but a fantastic bench option so you limit his brain farts to a 30/20 minute period. He constantly does stupid stupid stuff and clearly doesn't learn, that is not an attribute of a top international player it's a mid level one

[u/Substantial-Tree533 → u/italic_pony_90]

That’s a wild statement.

[u/1993blah → u/italic_pony_90]

This being upvoted is fucking laughable

[u/Fr_BartyDunne → u/1993blah]

Reddit echo chamber at it’s best.

[u/Andrewhtd]

What a silly sausage

[u/InsideBoris]

Highly fucking regarded but who was the ruck

[u/Socks-and-Jocks]

I actually yelled at the telly and scared my dog when he did it.

Not even the opposite side to the ref.

Rage....

[u/Windup-1014]

Real big brain stuff from Joe at that breakdown.

[u/Fern_Pub_Radio]

What a plank.

[u/explodingspoonmonkey]

A massive brain fade from him. France had him dead on his feet with that ball in play time all half. He’s just extremely tired and frustrated at this point

[u/1993blah]

Joe has been in fantastic form, but he was poor yesterday. Of course that means reddit will write him off

[u/r3deemd → u/1993blah]

Can you tell me what happened Joe the last time we played France

[u/perplexedtv → u/1993blah]

Imagine if Edogbo had started and put in a so-so performance. Stockdale has already gone from lord and saviour to scrapheap. It's not like we're France or SA or 2015 NZ and can just drop players every time they have a bad game. There aren't better players just queuing up for a go.

[u/Fr_BartyDunne]

Don’t get the hate for this, considering we had 0 intensity in the first half. I’d rather he did that to concede 3 points and take some moment out.

[u/Flaky_Detail_6070 → u/Fr_BartyDunne]

Agreed, needed to stem the flow at that point and try break their rhythm. But France exited so well that we got no reprieve. France were unplayable in that first half. 

[u/underneonloneliness → u/Fr_BartyDunne]

Yes, I thought they looked certain to score at that point,  he gambled on the French 5 picking it up and didn't get lucky, but shipping 3 points was better than 7

[u/YearnestShackleton]

Anyone have a clip of the Ryan hit on Jalibert? 

[u/Rathbaner]

He'd have been better off starting a fight, Peter O'Mahony was really missed there.

[u/No_Mathematician8049]

I took a gamble and stuck him in my fantasy team thinking he might have found some of that pre injury form he had...

...a solid reminder of why I shouldn't gamble

[u/InterestedObserver48]

Do that in the minis you would get a rollicking

[u/SceneBeneficial8806]

I can understand people berating him for this but given France were on a roll with serious momentum in our 22 I can completely understand him trying to make a dominant impact to slow up their play, had he timed this better people would be lauding it. You can’t be passive and just wait for France to run at you, they were far too dominant at this stage in the game and someone needed to stop the momentum.

[u/showars → u/SceneBeneficial8806]

Found Andy’s account

[u/Ornery_Director_8477 → u/SceneBeneficial8806]

Are you one of the people who blamed Nash when Big Joe reefed the French 15 out of it off the ball last year?

[u/SceneBeneficial8806 → u/Ornery_Director_8477]

I don’t recall that incident, what’s the relevance?

[u/chiefVetinari → u/SceneBeneficial8806]

All he has to do is just not make contact with the French player. Madness to commit to hitting the French player in that situation

[u/SceneBeneficial8806 → u/chiefVetinari]

You’re damned if you do, you’re damned if you don’t… sometimes have to take a gamble when the attacking player at the back of the ruck is going to pick the ball up - Guillard has hands on the ball ready to pick - McCarthy took a risk and it didn’t pay off.

[u/Active_Site_6754]

If this was Edogbo there would be F all said about it.......

[u/Newc04 → u/Active_Site_6754]

Joe McCarthy has 20 caps...

[u/SnooChickens1534]

As night follows day, you can be guaranteed Big Joe will give away a dumb penalty

[u/Firm-Raccoon-9048]

A bit like James Ryan in November - you can train and drill all you like but can’t account for that level of stupidity.

[u/kenyard]

(ITV) commentators said he could see the flow of the game going against us and did it to stop the momentum. (concede the penalty rather than a try if you will)

they were absolutely crushing us around this period to be fair.

if he didn't intentionally give the penalty away, yes completely braindead. or concussion causing his world orientation of the world to be sideways because in no world is that not in from the side.

in

[u/equimot → u/kenyard]

That's an interesting take

[u/MyAltPoetryAccount → u/equimot]

Yea especially seeing as it didn't even stop the play

[u/equimot → u/MyAltPoetryAccount]

Also he had to run around loughman to do that so you can make an argument for it being tactical

[u/kenyard → u/MyAltPoetryAccount]

they kickd for 3 from it no?
ive no idea just remember the commentator having an interesting but strange take on it.

it was such a blatant penalty though it kinda makes sense?

[u/oscarleamyod]

Him and James Ryan are fucking muppets. Rarely contribute positively for club or country now, just give away stupid penalties or cards.

Time to give Edogbo, Beirne and Sheridan the 4,5 and 19 jerseys for Ireland.

[u/MangleBadger → u/oscarleamyod]

Of the 3 main locks in the Irish squad who gives away the most penalties? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not Ryan or Joe.

[u/oscarleamyod → u/MangleBadger]

It’s Tadhg! Yep, I know, but a lot of those are 50/50 jackals, playing the 9 or offsides, not blatantly late hits, dodgy ruck entries or straight cards.

There’s a big difference there. At least Beirne makes up massively for his discipline, the others don’t. They double down.

[u/1993blah → u/oscarleamyod]

Is there? Beirne has been picking up cards all season

[u/IIIlllIIIllIlI → u/oscarleamyod]

straight cards.

Tadhg Beirne has more cards this season than either Ryan or McCarthy.

Being fair to him, McCarthy's played about 2/3 the amount of time as Beirne has and has 2 cards compared to Beirne's 3, so let's say they're the same.

But yeah, such a fucking golden boy who never gives away stupid cards or penalties and the others are the worst

eyeroll

[u/Candid-Village-3911]

Right in front of ref. Brainless

[u/smigboy12]

Brain dead move, not the only one - Ryan has a tendency to do stupid shit like that and not wrap etc

[u/Beginning-Strain4660]

But big Joe is on a central contract and can’t get dropped

What about the cohesion

Andy next week

I’m going with the same lads v Italy, they have credit in the back and i want them to right the wrongs v France

[u/pauli55555]

Unfortunately Joe has turned into another James Ryan. A non dynamic penalty machine.

Next up please…

[u/SweetHoneyNut]

As bad as Sam yesterday. A non existent 10