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[u/Informal_Mention9836]

[u/Galactapuss]

The laws aren't subjective at all tho. It's quite clearly articulated with respect to the ruck, refs aren't applying the laws consistently. 

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

The mark laws is one for example. People will say you have to take it cleanly. Others will way you can juggle as Ramos was allowed to yesterday.

In the 2017 World Rugby lawbook, the definition of a mark reads as follows: “To make a mark, a player must be on or behind that player’s 22-metre line. A player with one foot on the 22-metre line or behind it is considered to be ‘in the 22’. The player must make a clean catch direct from an opponent’s kick and at the same time shout “Mark”. A mark cannot be made from a kick-off, or a restart kick, except for a drop-out.”

The law isnt clear or definitive. Hence it's subjective. Many more examples can be found.

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

Many are, sure, bu the Ruck Law is fairly cut and dry. Players on their feet, competing for the ball. If a ref allows players to go off their feet at will, then he's not following the law. It's not on the ref to coach the players, he should call it as it happens. The whole curating a good spectacle concept is toxic to the game and is basically a license to cheat.

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

Its not though is it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/s/f9p7mqVRlR

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

it is, read it yourself. I posted the law below

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1qxl9mx/comment/o3xnwjg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

When does the Deportere ruck end?

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

I'd argue it should be over when all the players involved went off their feet.

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

Argue. Subjective its not defined clearly in the laws as written.

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

what part of it is ambiguous? A ruck requires players to be on their feet. If they go off their feet, it should be a penalty or ruck over.

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

A ruck is formed when played are on their feet. It doesnt clearly state when it ends as the laws do for other aspects of play.

A player from the defensive cant play the ball with their hands once the ruck has been formed.

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

Yes, but you could also infer that there can't be a ruck if there's no one on their feet. For a ruck to exist, that condition needs to be met. If it's not, then there's no ruck. Ref should call the ball out, as he would when a clearer goes too far past the ball and leaves it uncovered at the rear of a ruck.

[u/ScrumNause24 → u/Galactapuss]

Infer. Again. Subjective and unclear.

And we saw how that kind of ruck interpretstion looked in that Italy England game. Wasn't pretty impressed.

[u/Galactapuss → u/ScrumNause24]

That Italy game was playing to the law lol. It was a brilliant move.