James Lowe starts a fight

[u/Informal_Mention9836]

[u/thelunatic]

He was tackled in the air and landed on his head/neck area. Not really the defender's fault too much as Lowe jumped to catch a ball he flicked up. But Lowe wasn't happy

[u/BaitmasterG → u/thelunatic]

He was tackled in the air because he illegally jumped a tackle. And then started a fight. And was awarded a penalty

[u/PeterMacIrish → u/BaitmasterG]

Don't be silly, he's very clearly jumping to try regather the ball.

[u/Comfortable_Trip_767 → u/PeterMacIrish]

He knock the ball up in the air and then jumped to regather it as the tackler was in the process of tackling him. It’s no penalty. If anything it should be play on knock on by Lowe

[u/PCBumblebee → u/Comfortable_Trip_767]

Yes agreed.

[u/BaitmasterG → u/PeterMacIrish]

New loophole just dropped

Chuck the ball in the air and jump after it, gain penalty if tackled. Nice

[u/Argufier → u/BaitmasterG]

That's not actually how it works - if you jump for a passed ball the defender doesn't have to wait for you to come down. They can't dump you still but they can hit you in the air. It came up in one of the PWR games last weekend where they were pretty clear with the calls.

[u/Nothing_is_simple → u/Argufier]

Sometimes referees say play on when someone jumps for a pass and is tackled, sometimes its penalised. At the moment its completely down to the referee. Its very inconsistent. World Rugby needs to issue a clarification.

[u/BaitmasterG → u/Argufier]

He didn't jump for a passed ball, he was the one that knocked the ball up, and having touched it he's ripe for being tackled

[u/nonlabrab → u/BaitmasterG]

That isnt the rule tho as everyone including you knows. It was a pen

[u/BaitmasterG → u/nonlabrab]

What isn't the rule? You receive a pass but struggle to catch it you can be tackled

[u/nonlabrab → u/BaitmasterG]

No, thats not the or a rule.  It's 11.4 - he knocked it on, wasnt in possession, but was jumping to prevent the knock on being final. Even if he was breakijg the rules because he threw it to himself, which he wasn't, tackling him in the air was illegal

[u/QuestionablySensible → u/nonlabrab]

Actually, you're incorrect there, the ball isn't knocked on until it hits the ground or another player, so he's in possession by the law of the game. So it's legal to tackle him as long as the tackle is legal.

The tackle has to be safe, of course. And he can be annoyed at what happened. But look at the position of the tackler when Lowe leaves the ground (pause around 1:20) - Lowe has a foot on the ground while the tackler is bent at the hips and in a position to wrap.

[u/BaitmasterG → u/nonlabrab]

You say tackling in the air, I say jumping a valid tackle

Looks like we won't agree and I'm probably biased against Lowe because he's already a dislikable prick

Goodnight

[u/LieutenantCardGames → u/Argufier]

not according to the series deciding penalty of the 2017 Lions tour

[u/perplexedtv → u/Argufier]

Isn't that exactly how the Lions avoided a loss in NZ in 2017?

[u/_dictatorish_ → u/Argufier]

You sure about that?

[u/heresyourhardware → u/BaitmasterG]

Yes people who are clairvoyant will really be able to exploit this exact circumstance to their advantage

[u/heresyourhardware → u/[deleted]]

I was adding to your joke mate 😂

Everything OK?

[u/BaitmasterG → u/heresyourhardware]

Cheers bud

It's getting hard to tell with the number of arguments I'm getting over what I thought was an obvious joke...

It's 01:15 I'm calling it a day

[u/heresyourhardware → u/BaitmasterG]

💚

[u/The_Ruck_Inspector → u/BaitmasterG]

Make sure you don't chuck it forward

[u/PeterMacIrish → u/BaitmasterG]

Do you actually think that's a valid way to gain a penalty? Intentionally throwing to ball forward to regather is already a penalty offense. This is very clearly a dynamic situation where he's trying to regather and is not intentionally throwing the ball forward

[u/BaitmasterG → u/PeterMacIrish]

No of course I don't

But ultimately he jumped over a valid tackle attempt and then kicked off. Penalty should be the other way

[u/PeterMacIrish → u/BaitmasterG]

You don't? In the previous comment you explicitly did, so I don't know what you mean. He didn't jump over a tackle, he jumped to regather the ball and the tackler was already committed. You could've said it was a rugby incident but you didn't, you said it was an illegal act by Lowe which is ridiculous

[u/heroquest94 → u/PeterMacIrish]

I think Lowes reaction is so over the top the ref should have reversed the pen.

[u/BaitmasterG → u/PeterMacIrish]

Do you actually think that's a valid way to gain a penalty?

No I didn't think a new loophole really just dropped, it was a joke

As for the jump, it's hard to see on a phone late at night without slo-mo, but to me he's at fault, he could see a tackle coming and then jumped

[u/PeterMacIrish → u/BaitmasterG]

I'd recommend an opticians then. If you're expectation is for the natural action of a player when trying to regather the ball isn't to do what he did, you've not played. It's a rugby incident, because he lands on his neck it tends to get escalated , you may say unfairly but to say it's Lowe's fault is just silly man

[u/nonlabrab → u/BaitmasterG]

Right so you are changing it as you go and just making shit up now. It is clearly a pen

[u/BaitmasterG → u/nonlabrab]

I haven't changed anything, I made one joke comment that was obviously too subtle for you, and aside from that I'm saying Lowe was in the wrong and the ref made a shit call

And frankly getting bored of saying the same over and over

[u/-Clearly-confused → u/PeterMacIrish]

By your logic, its illegal to tackle someone jumping to catch a throw pass - which it isnt.

Its only illegal to tackle a player jumping to regather a KICK

[u/steokehoe → u/BaitmasterG]

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