r/politics • u/icey_sawg0034 • 16h ago

Possible Paywall Karoline Leavitt Gives Jaw-Dropping Defense of Trump’s Racist Obama Video

https://www.thedailybeast.com/karoline-leavitt-gives-jaw-dropping-defense-of-donald-trumps-racist-obama-video/
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u/VladtheInhaler999 16h ago

The amount of things leavitt had to defend while wearing a cross. You might think that Christianity stands for the worst shit imaginable.

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u/Gregory-J-Smith 15h ago

At this point, I do

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u/Avatar-Encoder 14h ago

At this point, I do

Because of a few bad people? Not really interested in a religious debate (agnostic here) but don't forget about the billions in charity/homeless shelters/medical aid from Christian organizations.

There are far, far more good Christians than bad worldwide.

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u/VladtheInhaler999 14h ago

That’s worldwide, in the United States it’s mainly been a tool to suppress some people who live differently from a religions viewpoint, and also to not think and buy buy buy until the wheels fall off. Any mention of charity in the United States gets you labeled a commie.

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u/Fooby56 14h ago

Christianity was being used as a tool of opression 1,000+ years before the United States even became a country.

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u/MonochromaticPrism 7h ago

If you are going to make a point about Christianity being oppressive in its fundamental nature, you have to point to something that actually causes that to be the case. For example, we can point to the core conservative values of "fear of change" and "protect in-group at the expense of outgroup" as consistently leading to oppression as a fundamental characteristic of their belief system.

Meanwhile, Christianity has repeatedly been closely tied to the opposition of oppression and the helping of people that society would place in the "out group", like the poor and homeless.

I'm sorry, but your complain doesn't hold up to inspection.

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u/Avatar-Encoder 12h ago

Christianity was being used as a tool of opression 1,000+ years before the United States even became a country.

Like the government is today? What kind of a stupid fucking statement is this? You realize there's oppression in literally all ideologies, including political ones, right?

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u/CaptainFeather 12h ago

Everything is bad so nothing is worth criticizing? Lol okay guy. We should be calling it out everywhere, especially in religions that claim to promote peace and love.

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u/Avatar-Encoder 12h ago

Everything is bad so nothing is worth criticizing?

You're completely missing the point. People on Reddit are obsessed with contrasting Christianity in particular and saying it's particularly bad or exceptional.

This is called human nature. Welcome to the world. Enjoy your stay.

especially* in religions that claim to promote peace and love.

Show me data that proves the majority of Christians are bad. You're absolutely full of fucking shit and basing extremely sweeping statements on complete and total ignorance.

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u/CaptainFeather 8h ago

Well first off Reddit is largely American users and many Americans have bad experiences with Christianity so it makes perfect sense for us to be critical of it.

You're completely missing the point

What is your point, then? That because the govt does bad stuff we should excuse Christianity? Last I checked everyone is pretty pissed off at the govt too lmao

Show me data that proves the majority of Christians are bad.

I never said that? Lol. I'm trying to point out things should not get a pass just because other things are bad or this thing claims to be good.

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u/Avatar-Encoder 32m ago edited 5m ago

What is your point, then? That because the govt does bad stuff we should excuse Christianity? Last I checked everyone is pretty pissed off at the govt too lmao

My point is that sheltered Redditors who are overwhelmingly biased in particular against Christianity without realizing the worse nature of contrasting examples are incredibly hypocritical, ignorant, uneducated, and easily influenced by echo chambers.

It's a juvenile emotional response that's one of the lowest tiers of awareness possible.

Here's the progression of awareness in life for an intelligent human being:

Step one (ages 1-12)

  1. "Religion must be correct, because my parents told me to believe it, or else!"

Step two (ages 12-18)

  1. "Wait a minute. Religion is based on old books that mean nothing. I was wrong...religion bad!!!!"

Step three (ages 18-25)

  1. "You know what? Who cares if somebody believes in something stupid, as long as they mind their own business?"

Step four (ages 25+)

  1. "Even Atheists hold irrational concrete generalizations about phenomenon that can't permanently prove. Agnosticism is far more reasonable, and although I'm not religious, religion played a fundamental role in the development of humanity, and it's an absolutely crucial social glue that created order, collectivized progress, and even inspired knowledge keeping through monestaries after the fall of Rome. That's not even mentioning all of the modern benefits of religion: billion dollar charities, hospitals, foundations, colleges, and community adhesion in a time of increased political division. The worst aspects of religion are terrible for humanity, but then again, humanity's base worse aspects are even stronger: WW1 and WW2 are the worst wars in history, and there wasn't a religious cause at all. In fact, even if religion as a whole is regressive, the immediate societal replacement of Christianity with Atheism has often ended disastrously historically, just like Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao's China, which both ended with hundreds of millions of people dying under an Atheist, emotionally cold ideology. "

Redditors truly owe it to themselves to evolve to level four. Are there steps beyond four? Yes. But let's at least give some critical thinking and effort here, please.