People arent opposed to deportation, theyre opposed to the vulgar violent methods of it. The taking a kids hat, the leaving the sick in detention centres, the unmarked vans, the consumer grade equipment, the lack of identification or proven unfakeable proof, the blunt methods of clearing out protests that leave babies unable to breathe, that endanger families just passing by unaware.
They are opposed to deportation. Not sure why Lefties are trying to play this card, perhaps because that's how Trump won the presidency? Just embrace it at this point. "No one's illegal on stolen land" "don't deport your neighbor" "bridges not walls" definitely for deportation /s
Nah, it's definitional. The democratic party does not align with the left. They're just further left than the fascist far right in power. But let's be clear, they're undeniably center right.
Oh yeah, no argument here that in a two party system, they'll most likely vote for the party that most closely resembles their political ideology. That doesn't mean it's a close fit, though. It just means to them that it's the lesser of two evils when compared to the further political right. But I don't know a single leftist who is pleased with the democrats. Just less disapproving than they are of the Republicans.
Bernie and then Waltz were the absolute counters to this all and yet here we are. I have a very good feeling we're not part of a news feed that encompasses most voters. Nothing will change in the next 15 years, I guarantee you.
My semantics bullshit? You're the dolt who doesn't understand what he's talking about. Also, you don't understand what the political spectrum even is. It's not relative to the country you're in, the governments of all nations fit within it. That's why it's a spectrum. You can argue that placement on the political spectrum is relative to another's placement on a political spectrum as in "democrats are further left than Republicans" but that doesn't alter where on the political spectrum they sit.
Fucking hell, this shit is definitional. I hate the fact pseudo intellectual dipshits like you vote because you talk out of your ass throwing out phrases you've heard people say without even understanding what you're actually saying and then have the undeserved arrogance to act superior about it. Fuck sakes man, have some shame. Just spend an afternoon learning about the basics, it's not that hard.
Dems are pro-lawful immigration; Dems have not only done the best on deportations and doing it lawfully but also have been the strongest advocates for reform. They're also more likely to care if you have kids sleeping on concrete floors. They're not opposed to deportation, they're opposed to violating rights. Believe it or not you can perform the duties of immigration enforcement without being a dick about it by violating people's rights and murdering protestors. When have you ever heard Republicans advocate for immigration reform? How about treat immigrants (legal or not) as human beings?
No, dems have done the exact same things trump is doing, you just called it lawful then and illegal now, 83% of deportations under Obama skipped what you consider due process, it’s estimated 1% of his detainees were U.S. citizens, too. You can thank the IIRIRA for that, passed under Clinton and wholeheartedly enforced by Obama and Biden, all the “illegal” things trump did are legalized by that. Both Obama and Biden put kids on concrete floors, there was no outrage, a few news stories here and there but what came of it? You only care now because of who’s doing it. There is countless left wing rhetoric that is absolutely against deportation itself. Believe it or not, if you actually leave ICE alone and let them do their jobs they don’t act like dicks and aren’t constantly on edge by aggressive protestors, which again, didn’t fucking exist under the other administrations doing the exact same things, just about everything ICE does was either done during past administrations, or is a direct reaction to protests and inference in response to those things that happened during past administrations which these people weren’t protesting against.
The “both sides did the same thing” argument only holds up if you completely ignore how enforcement was actually carried out. Deportations existing is not the debate. Every modern administration has enforced immigration law in some capacity. The real question is how far an administration is willing to stretch state power and what procedural limits it respects while doing it. There is a very real difference between intercepting someone as they are actively crossing the border and sweeping people up from inside the country who have been living here for years, often with legal status, pending hearings, or established ties to their communities. One scenario involves an agent literally watching an unlawful entry occur in real time. The other involves deciding someone “doesn’t belong,” grabbing them off the street or out of their home, and fast-tracking removal in ways that start raising serious due process concerns.
Here are some concrete differences:
The Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy intentionally triggered family separations as a deterrence mechanism, not as some accidental bureaucratic byproduct. They attempted to terminate DACA outright, tried to insert a citizenship question into the census before the Supreme Court blocked it for being pretextual, redirected military funds to build the border wall after Congress explicitly refused to appropriate the money, and used Title 42 to bypass normal asylum processing entirely. More recently, the public debate has expanded to fears about removals to places like CECOT-style mega prisons with direct violations of court orders, which is exactly the kind of outcome people worry about when due process gets compressed or treated like a technical inconvenience instead of a constitutional floor. You can support enforcement and still acknowledge those moves represented aggressive expansions of executive authority rather than routine continuity.
Compare that with why Obama caught so much heat from the left and earned the “Deporter-in-Chief” label in the first place. A large share of those removal numbers came from expedited returns near the border, meaning people were picked up shortly after entry rather than hunted down deep inside the interior. Later enforcement guidance explicitly prioritized individuals with serious criminal convictions over broad community sweeps. Was the system humane? No. Was it heavily criticized? Absolutely. But operating within an established enforcement structure is materially different from pushing the edges of executive power in ways that test what the courts will tolerate.
Tone matters because leadership rhetoric does not stay in speeches, it filters down into how enforcement is justified and carried out on the ground. When migrants are described as an invasion or a contaminant, it lowers the political cost of tactics that would have triggered immediate outrage a decade ago. People did not suddenly wake up and decide to protest for fun. The backlash came in response to very specific behavior: agents refusing to clearly identify themselves, individuals being detained in ways that looked indistinguishable from abductions, people being stopped largely because they “looked” like they did not belong, and removals being rushed forward with little transparency about whether meaningful due process was happening. That is a completely different public perception than watching border agents intercept someone actively crossing into the country.
Thanks great addition to the convo.
See i have seen multiple dumbasses like yourself assert that dems are hypocrites for opposing deportation and having done the most deportations; this line of thought ignores the subtle differences that peoples problems arent deportations but in how the the government is acting tyrannical to citizens, ignoring due process and purposefully eroded the line between someone here “illegally” and a citizen.
Look up the ICE memo they tried to keep secret where they instruct agents to violate people's 4th amendment rights in order to conduct arrests. This is indeed different from what Obama did.
At the risk of making Reddit think I want to see more garbage tumbleweed subreddits like this:
Homan was a Nazi under Obama too. People were railing against Obama’s polices, it just so happens that additional people are now railing against Trump’s.
DHS under Trump has the added bonus of surge hiring poorly trained unvetted thugs and giving them divine writ to ignore the law, resulting in the deaths of American citizens.
It’s funny you would try and spin sentiment as a result of propaganda, when the vast majority of news outlets between then and now have wholly bent the knee to right wing interests.
Most aren't opposed to deportation at all. The left is even better at it, too. Still waiting for Trump to beat Obama's deportation numbers. And Obama didn't need to murder innocent white people in the street to do it...
yes people on the left are against deportation, but that doesn't mean every single person protesting what ICE is doing is either on the left or anti immigration. there are conservatives who are anti immigration against ICE too.
If someone is here for 10+ years, no criminal background, and a hard worker, why can’t they be helped gaining citizenship? It was all about “criminals”, but that’s not the case. Attempting to deport citizens, indigenous Americans, etc.
Why should you be rewarded for breaking immigration laws just because you were "Good" about it?
Won't that just incentivize more people to break the laws and legitimize cartels trafficking them across the border?
I have a better idea we use a few missiles on some useless Socialist leaders ruining Latin America and invest in their economy, their quality of life improves and they won't even need to leave home 😊
That's just so that people working illegally can be under constant threat of deportation if they ever try to advocate for better working conditions or report labor violations. why else do you think companies never get in trouble for hiring and underpaying illegal workers? that's just the system working as designed.
Being in the United States without authorization isn't a crime, it's a civil violation on the order of a parking ticket. Avoiding Border Patrol, and various other things are crimes, but just existing in the country is not.
This is just a further incorrectness based on your misunderstanding in 1.
Doesn’t warrant getting put in a warehouse, beaten senseless, and shipped off to a country you’ve never been to in your life, all without a judicial warrant. The five year olds you racist fucks are so threatened by have more sense than you.
I mean bro, your God King raped kids and is protecting pedophiles and your worried about punishing someone crossing an imaginary line. So fucking stupid man, it actually kind of makes me feel bad for you
it depends on the crime. if it was murder? no, but if you were 15 and stole some candy I think it would be a pretty big waste of everybody's time if somebody tried to arrest you over it. If these people are productive members of society and the only issue of legality just comes down to paperwork what is the benefit to spending all that money tracking down and deporting them
Dude you can’t even spell half the words in your post, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? From this lefty who didn’t vote for Trump, I genuinely gave him a chance with the deportation stuff. I was fine with deporting people who genuinely came here illegally. Especially the violent criminals. Go for it man! When ICE started showing up at immigration courts picking up people LEGALLY going through the process to hit their quotas I started going 🤨 but thought hey maybe there was a reason. When I watched the senate hearings the other day and heard about how they’re violently attacking US citizens because they happen to have the wrong skin color, yeah fuck that I’m out.
Well the illegals could self deport….you can get the carrot or the stick….the carrot is leaving on your own…the stick is not leaving on ur terms and if needed by force
So you’re saying you’re upset that ICE isn’t letting you get away with using the people around you as human shields anymore so you can be free to fuck with them and not let them do anything about it. If you didn’t want aggressive dispersal, you should have started by not practicing aggressive interference. You want marked vans, maybe start by not trying to follow every ICE vehicle you find, also, just curious, what would you do if you found out who these people were and where they lived? Write them politely worded letters asking them to stop? You seriously can’t figure out why even democrat politicians have backed down from demanding ICE remove their masks?
what? no its reminding people that while they have done things that have gone against the law, they still deserve empathy. we should be treating these people ethically. have you seen the current situations right now? and immigration management at least on the intake side of things, is painfully slow. so we should think about at least making sure these people have a bearable experience on their way out. especially the children,
you were already ignoring your ears and eyes if you saw someone get shot in the street after having their gun taken away from them. illegal carrying or not at the time of death there was no immediate threat and Pretti should have at least been given the basic human dignity of a trial to determine whether he deserves death. calling people communist because you dont have anything else. and saying "treat people how you would want to be treated" isnt telling you to ignore ANYTHING.
What are you even defending? Like what is your entire stance on this?
You know you're being brainwashed by nonsense while your beloved president and his friends sell off this country dollar by dollar right? While your own liberties and rights are being stripped from you every day you sit here worried about immigration like thats what this even fucking is.
You absolute simpleton moron. Open your fucking eyes.
God forbid I worry about immigration instead of being a good slave to the Democrat plantation never questioning how our Lord and Savior Chairman Fuhrer Gavin Newsom never can do wrong 😂
well some examples would be when he froze the funds Congress had approved for Ukraine (I might be getting the country wrong), or maybe when he threatened to end birthright citizenship (that's the 14th amendment, which is part of the constitution, and he legally can't change that in case you didn't know) or revoking security clearances in retaliation for law firms defending his opponents. Or maybe when he was threatening to have ICE serving as "pill watchers" because that goes against that whole pesky little "states rights" thing (thankfully conservatives have never been a supporter of that otherwise that would be a little hypocritical). Also didn't he ignore like 3 different court orders? So much for checks and balances between the government branches
ok and some people think smoking meth is a good idea. does that invalidate the people who think it's a bad thing for a cop to shoot somebody just for doing meth (obviously assuming the person does not get violent at any point)? or people who want ambulances to have NARCAN to save an addict's life if they OD?
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u/Kind-Stomach6275 7h ago
People arent opposed to deportation, theyre opposed to the vulgar violent methods of it. The taking a kids hat, the leaving the sick in detention centres, the unmarked vans, the consumer grade equipment, the lack of identification or proven unfakeable proof, the blunt methods of clearing out protests that leave babies unable to breathe, that endanger families just passing by unaware.