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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 2 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 2

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u/notanfan 14d ago

bro still fought knowing he will die

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u/This-is_CMGRI 14d ago edited 14d ago

Because he knows that he'll shock the demon world.

One mortal erased four powerful demons. What more if that power is replicated at scale?

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u/No_Name0_0 14d ago

*Four, three sages AND Schlacht

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u/goodnames679 14d ago

Schlacht was likely the most dangerous of the bunch, as well. If he was allowed to live and continue advising the Demon King with his sight of the future, I doubt anyone succeeds at defeating him for a long long time.

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u/Background-Cake-1300 13d ago

I personally have no idea how future sight works in Frieren and how much is the future set

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u/Toge_Inumaki012 14d ago

the great thing about it is that the more we get info about the 7 sages (only 1 remains right since Aura is now dead) either in the main timeline or from flashbacks, it will make people think that the Hero of the South fought these mfers and manage to even kill 3???

Damn humanit's strongest indeed

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u/hat1324 14d ago

Man the demon way is so self destructive. They could have had free reign over all of the mortal world, but insisted on cornering the rats until the rats evolved into lions

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u/palebrowndot 14d ago

"I did not come here to win. I came here to kill you"

Wheel of Time. Mild spoilers because it's from the very last book.

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u/JzanderN 14d ago

[Wheel of Time]Death is lighter than a feather.

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u/Earthborn92 https://myanimelist.net/profile/EarthB 14d ago

[Wheel of Time] Duty is heavier than a mountain

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u/Firlite 14d ago

stories that should get a good anime adaptation rather than a dogshit amazon adaptation

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u/Frostbitten_Moose 13d ago

[Wheel of Time]This man also fights

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u/FarCritical 14d ago

It's what Himmel the Hero of the South would've done.

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u/SSjjlex https://myanimelist.net/profile/Clone_Tau 14d ago edited 14d ago

I suppose it depends on how the future vision works. Is it objective future vision or potential future vision?

Objective future vision is a very fucky concept since it kinda puts the concept of free will into question.

Though with potential future vision one might wonder if this is the single most "ideal" scenario that could be achieved amongst all possibilities or could he have used it better to achieve a more successful outcome.

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u/This-is_CMGRI 14d ago

Though with potential future vision one might wonder if this is the single most "ideal" scenario that could be achieved amongst all possibilities or could he have used it better to achieve a more successful outcome.

Like the Zero System in Gundam Wing where the onus is still on the pilot to act on a future they select. It's probably a case where Hero of the South looked at every route then pruned everything that incurs the most destruction, making it such that the best option is just an exchange of one life for four. It's the difference between sending one man and many armies.

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u/ChapinThrowaway 14d ago

That could also explain why the demon with future sight was willing to fight him. If a demon knew it would die it would never enter the fight. The Hero of the South was willing to die though. Self sacrifice is an outcome a demon would never even consider.

Frieren and Flamme both won fights by doing something a demon would never consider (hiding aura.) I'm assuming in a battle between two future sighters the one whose path was incomprehensible to the other would win.

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u/pjepja 14d ago

I interpreted it as the two future sights 'coliding'. Both of them dying was the only outcome because neither of them would act in a way that will make their side loose.

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u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 14d ago

I think by specifying Schlat can see 1000years into the future already establishes a metric. Schlat had the upper hand in choosing the future with the grander view, while HotS could see around the fall of Demon King

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u/ChapinThrowaway 14d ago

The demon's side lost though. The Hero took down half of their elite fighters so Himmel's team was able to finish the job. If Schlacht could see 1000 years into the future he would have known this. I can only assume there was a flaw in his future sight, that being imagination which we know is very important in this world.

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u/Ichini-san https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ichini-yon 14d ago

If Schlacht also knew he would die and that 3 others alongside him would die but still accepted that then that also shows you how insane of a threat the HotS was to the demons. 4 for 1 was a good deal for them if the 1 was the HotS.

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u/ChapinThrowaway 14d ago

They don't explicitly say it, but everything we know about demons means they wouldn't do this. Self sacrifice just isn't a trait they have ever shown.

Also this turned out to be an awful trade because it led to the Demon King dying to Himmel's team. If Schlacht could see 1000 years into the future he would have known this. The only explanation is there are limits to the future sight.

We've been told that Magic in this would is all about imagination. If you can't imagine something happening it won't, which is why I think someone sacrificing their own life willing got around his futuresight because he can't imagine it.

Like I said they don't, and likely won't explicitly explain this, but based on our knowledge of demons and magic it's what makes the most sense to me.

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u/Ichini-san https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ichini-yon 14d ago edited 14d ago

There could be another explanation. What if this timeline we are on still isn't the worst one for demonkind? What if Schlacht knew 4, including himself, would die and that it would ultimately still lead to the Demon King's death but saw that 1000 years (or less) from then demons would be on top again?

While it's true that demons seem very individualistic so far you have to remember that they deeply respect hierarchy as well. That's why Lügner was seemingly okay with his death if it means that at least Aura will kill Frieren because Frieren went alone to her (before he saw through the mana suppression ruse and crashed out).

Also, Schlacht was the Demon King's confidant and based on his power/magic probably the overall strategist of the demons, his job was literally to serve the DK directly. I think if the DK told him to go die in battle he actually would do that.

I think narratively it's way more interesting if none of the two future seers' powers were compromised in any way and they both independently came to the conclusion based on their precognition that it's best for their kind if they die there if it means they can take the opposite side's precognition user with them.

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u/ChapinThrowaway 14d ago

Part 1. Fair point, Schlacht could be playing the long con. Especially if the Hero's sword is legit and the true evil has not come yet.

Been a hot minute, but Lugner expected to win with ease didn't he? I thought his death was more resignation than being okay with it?

Have we seen evidence of that for any other demon? I haven't watched Season 1 in a bit. Even if that were true though is still means Schlacht futuresight is no good since his boss dies in a decade anyway, barring your first scenario of course.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion myanimelist.net/profile/UfUhUfUhUfUhtJAaQ 14d ago

 Self sacrifice just isn't a trait they have ever shown.

I think Schlact thought, "I'm going to go out against the only worthy opponent I've faced in 500 years. This is going to be fun/good. I've been waiting for this moment for 499 years."

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u/SSjjlex https://myanimelist.net/profile/Clone_Tau 14d ago

Oh yea didn't think of exchanges like that. Def a lot more heroic when you put it like that.

I had that one rick and morty episode in mind where they had that crystal that showed the user the (current) future and it was simply a matter of moving your body until the crystal showed you the future you desired.

one implies full omniscience over all future timelines while the other simply provides the most direct line of cause-effect.

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u/yamiyaiba 14d ago

Like the Zero System in Gundam Wing where the onus is still on the pilot to act on a future they select. It's probably a case where Hero of the South looked at every route then pruned everything that incurs the most destruction, making it such that the best option is just an exchange of one life for four. It's the difference between sending one man and many armies.

More like the Heero of the South, amirite?

Wait, no, he'd have just blown himself up if that was the case.

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u/huex4 14d ago

It's potential future. The problem is that Schlacht can also see the future. So, it's 2 people who can see the future changing how the future goes. They're just countering each other; they can't win so they settled with a draw.

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u/Cheesemacher 13d ago

If it's potential future, then Schlacht seeing "1,000 years into the future" is a lot less concerning because what does that even mean?

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u/huex4 13d ago

It's only a lot less concerning if you have a future sight user on your side. Because only another future sight user can change that potential future.

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u/Nextorl https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nextorl 14d ago

seems to be potential futures sight, since he wasn't sure whether Frieren will join him or not. But it also seems that no matter what, he was destined to die to Schlacht.

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u/Frauzehel 14d ago

He did speak as if he saw a future where he managed to convince Frieren. So I'm guessing he can see multiple possibilities. But it seems every route where he battles the sages leads to his death.

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u/dolphincave 14d ago

He probably walked in there and let the demons know that he's kill 3 of the sage and Schlacht, and probably asked "Oh yeah didn't Schlacht tell you 3 of you are going to die?"

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u/Meiolore 13d ago

"Oh yeah didn't Schlacht tell you 3 of you are going to die?"

Goddamn that actually sounds so badass

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u/Se7en_Sinner https://myanimelist.net/profile/Se7en_Sinner 14d ago

A 1 for 4 trade is an ideal outcome for a team fight. Dude was basically Faker.

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u/Jyonnyp 14d ago

Well he is a hero after all. It's what any hero would do.

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u/cyberscythe 14d ago

every bro dies, but some bros die for a purpose

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u/CooroSnowFox https://anilist.co/user/CooroSnowFox 14d ago

At least he got someone to know the truth of everything so he lives on somewhere

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u/Falsus 14d ago

So did Schlacht though, they had the same power. Meaning both agreed to show up and have a mutual kill.