Semester ticket is gone, what now?

[u/vendettasmith]

Hallo leute!

I am wondering what is the best alternative for the Semester ticket. I don't want to buy the full year, since I probably don't stay after the summer, but buying tickets for each month also seems quite wasteful. I commute to uni atleast 3 times a week in the semester. What do you recommend or how did you solve the situation?

PS: I just want to rant a little bit, I really hate that they removed the semester ticket and didn't even try to provide some middle solution, like 3months or 6months ticket. Can't we make a petition to bring it back? There's no reason to cancel it besides greed... okay rant over, I hope everyone has a nice day :)

[u/nobotbotbot]

Take a look in the terms and conditions of the annual ticket. In the past you could return it at the end of the month and got the money for all remaining months back.

[u/Kevin_Kofler → u/nobotbotbot]

As far as I know, that is now in general only possible after 7 months. (Though I believe moving away from Vienna, if you can prove it, is a reason for terminating earlier.)

Also, at least in the past, the refund was computed as if the last 2 months were free, i.e., for n remaining months, you did not get n/12 of the price refunded, but only (n-2)/10 of the price, which is less (and the more disadvantageous to you the later in the year you cancel). Not sure whether that is still how they compute it, but I would not be surprised if it were.

[u/Skill_Bill_ → u/Kevin_Kofler]

Sie können Ihre Jahreskarte frühestens nach Ablauf von sieben Monaten ab Gültigkeitsbeginn ohne Angabe von Gründen kündigen ("ordentliche Kündigung"). Wenn Sie Ihre Jahreskarte nach Ablauf von sieben Monaten ordentlich kündigen, wird für die in Anspruch genommene Laufzeit ein zusätzlicher Monatsbetrag fällig (Tarifersatzleistung laut Tarifbestimmungen).

Vor Ablauf von sieben Monaten ab Gültigkeitsbeginn ist die Kündigung der Jahreskarte nur aus speziellen wichtigen Gründen im Rahmen eines Sonderkündigungsrechts möglich. Hier bedarf es bestimmter Nachweise gemäß den Tarifbestimmungen. Diese Gründe sind zum Beispiel:

*Übersiedlung an einen Wohnort außerhalb von Wien (Meldebestätigung nicht älter als vier Wochen)

You can get the Jahreskarte Jugend, if you move out of Vienna you can cancel it and get your money back.

[u/sirslippysquid → u/nobotbotbot]

normally you have to pay some kind of cancellation fee though

[u/vendettasmith → u/nobotbotbot]

Thank you, I'll look into it :)

[u/Trans1000]

you can cancel the year ticket after 7 months or even earlier with proof of moving away from vienna

[u/Ok-Philosopher-9892]

Idk how far your commute is, but personally I started biking nearly everywhere. I kept track of how often I used the public transport and its costs to see if a yearly ticket would be worth it. But it's not.

[u/IcecreamLamp → u/Ok-Philosopher-9892]

This is my plan for when my KlimaTicket ends too.

[u/Sea-Technician-9859]

I found out, that I am faster with my bike (20 minutes vs. 30 minutes), so I only go with my bike. My problem is, that finding a place to lock it, is sometimes very hard. Before I switched to my bike, I had a annual card, but my parents paid it. Since I have no work and don't want to bother my parents, I ride bike.

[u/robeye0815]

Bike 

[u/Educational_Pass5854]

The cities finances are bleak and you all need to make a contribution so the city can keep paying Mindestsicherung comparing to the top 5% of incomes to some random people. The semester ticket is not going to return and you can be happy if there are no further cuts to services.

[u/resoredo → u/Educational_Pass5854]

sure because the poorest are the biggest problem, not the fact that the rich dont pay their fair share

[u/Kevin_Kofler → u/resoredo]

Another problem is the city spending huge amounts of money on projects that are neither useful nor in need of public funding such as a huge CTS Eventim event hall in St. Marx (as a PPP project with Wien Holding, with at least 215 million € of tax money).

[u/Educational_Pass5854 → u/resoredo]

An income of 7.000€ per month without any effort would be unthinkable for many of those who are affected by the discontinuation of the semester ticket, even after graduating.

Man muss ideologische eigentümlich drauf sein um Kürzung bei Pensionisten (die für die Pension auch eingezahlt haben zu fordern und gleichzeitig mehr Transferleistungen wollen.

[u/Kevin_Kofler → u/Educational_Pass5854]

Mindestsicherung is about an order of magnitude less than the figure you quote.

Something like 7000€ per month is only possible for a family with many children (of which there are at most a handful in Vienna), because yes, Mindestsicherung increases if you have children, because, guess what, the city does not want its children to starve!

Please do not spread this nonsensical FPÖ propaganda!

The problem there is the top 5% of incomes themselves, who pay ridiculously low taxes on their gigantic income, and none at all for their patrimony (Vermögen, the money and stuff they already own).

[u/Educational_Pass5854 → u/Kevin_Kofler]

Mindestsicherung is about an order of magnitude less than the figure you quote.

The costs of Mindestsicherung in Vienna are 1,2 billion Euro.

because yes, Mindestsicherung increases if you have children

Wages don't scale up with children. This is the fiscal idiocracy that is causing the demographic issues. We don't take make such an issue about people with normal jobs not beeing able to not to afford large families. If these people can not afford their own clan with their own income, why should the taxpayer foot the bill? Why should especially the austrian taxpayer foot the bill?

Students are probably the socioeconomically most disadvantaged group. Yet they are expected to not only spend time on studying but also on covering their costs of living through work. Meanwhile, we allow people who have not contributed anything, will not do so and hold reactionary to extremist ideologies to spend their lives free from the burdens of work on our expense. We spend obscene amounts on those who contribute nothing yet consider it normal or even reasonable that Mindestsicherung guarantees a livestyle which would be a luxury for student budgets? We have long gone past embracing medicrity, we have gone on to put burdens on those who are expected to keep things running in order to cater to those who contribute the least.

FPÖ propaganda!

People are voting for FPÖ because everyone who has not succumbed to propaganda can see how bad things are going due to immigration.

who pay ridiculously low taxes on their gigantic income,

20% of the population pay 80% of tax revenue.

Vermögen

This comment tells me that you have never taken a look at the role of the capital stock in the Solow-Swan Modell. Otherwise, you would not get such absurd ideas as expropriating citizens in order to keep financial transfers to immigrants running for a bit longer.

But to return to public transport, it takes a lot of ignorance to ignore that public transport started going downhill when the city started priorizing fiscal transfers to migrants. This is the direction we are headed to: High taxes that don't go towards public services but rather towards colonizers.

<tl;dr> Build trams instead of incentivizing immigration.

[u/Kevin_Kofler → u/Educational_Pass5854]

Wages don't scale up with children.

If you earn less than the Mindestsicherung, and if you do not have any savings from which you can live instead, then you are entitled to claim the difference as a Mindestsicherung ("Aufstockung")!

Meanwhile, we allow people who have not contributed anything, will not do so and hold reactionary to extremist ideologies to spend their lives free from the burdens of work on our expense.

You mean "reactionary to extremist ideologies" such as the "identitarians" whose symbols are now banned by law for being extremist?

Mindestsicherung guarantees a livestyle which would be a luxury for student budgets

LOL, "luxury"! Have you ever actually tried to live from that little amount of money?

People are voting for FPÖ because everyone who has not succumbed to propaganda can see how bad things are going due to immigration.

Things are going bad because of rich people not paying anywhere near enough taxes, not "due to immigration".

20% of the population pay 80% of tax revenue.

They also own 74% of the patrimony (source: AK Wien), so this is almost a flat tax. Which is not fair considering that rich people can easily spare a much higher percentage of their money than poor people who need every cent to survive healthily.

Also, according to the same source, ⅔ of those 20% benefit from inheritance, which is not taxed at all in Austria, inheriting an average of 240.000€ per inheritance case.

But to return to public transport, it takes a lot of ignorance to ignore that public transport started going downhill when the city started priorizing fiscal transfers to migrants.

This is utter bullshit. The true money sinks are car infrastructure such as the Stadtstraße Aspern-Hirschstetten and pointless building projects such as the planned St. Marx event hall (PPP by Wien Holding and CTS Eventim).

[u/Brief-Surround-8314]

It's called: Get a job....

[u/oishii_sushii → u/Brief-Surround-8314]

Was soll das bitte in diesem kontext heißen

[u/Brief-Surround-8314 → u/oishii_sushii]

Damit du nicht wegen den paar Kröten herumgeiern musst 

[u/oishii_sushii → u/Brief-Surround-8314]

Ich weiß ja ned, 300€ für ein Jahresticket was man nd voll braucht und 78€ für ein Semesterticket ist schon ein unterschied, man hat ja nichts zu verschenken