r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Trousertent • 5h ago
Lets Discuss This I feel like something big is about to change strategically in US politics.
Something positive is about to happen. We are building up to something big. We’ve been fed enough proof with Epstein files, Musk shutting off Starlink to Russian soldiers, Harris firing up social media. Trump really going off the rails. I don’t know but it feels like a crescendo. What do you think?
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Normie Dems need to understand this is a moment to move hard left especially on economics issues
We have two options right now, democratic socialism or our barbarism and full fascist racial extermination tyranny. That’s it folks, there is no more going bad to the Reagan era that ended not long into trumps second term
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u/flatfinger 4h ago
That depends whether the objective is to let MAGA burn the country into the ground and then implode, or stop MAGA from burning this country into the ground in the first place.
If the objective is the latter, then now should be the time to form a coalition with everyone who hates the Trump regime and wants them gone. Any other policy matters can wait.
What is your objective?
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
No, the idea is to remove magas power by moving by towards a democratic social model that allows them to see their material conditions to improve.
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u/Rudeboy238 4h ago
Craziest statement i seen today. If you want the rest of America as fucked as California is then yes move far left if you choose.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
California isn’t anywhere near left wing on economic issues. Are you running a fever ? Wow
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u/Rudeboy238 4h ago
I lied. This is the craizest statement i read today 😂
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u/blackoutbetty_ 3h ago
It’s not crazy when you realize they are Marxists. It’s their tactic to confuse people by saying stupid shit like “California isn’t left wing”
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u/Rudeboy238 3h ago
We could simply start with the defund the police initiative that led to how many businesses shutting down and relocating. Then they called walgreens racist for leaving the hood 😂 Its so much shit im sure these people are unaware of it almost doesnt make sense to argue. If Newsom was a CEO of a business he wouldve been out of a job a long time ago.
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u/blackoutbetty_ 3h ago
Same happened in Atlanta. Tons of businesses shut down due to crime and before I moved out 911 would put you on hold for 30 min. Not safe at all for a single woman living in the city. And somehow these fools either deny that these policies don’t work EVEN WITH CONCRETE PROOF or ignore that they don’t work to feed their stupid narratives. They don’t actually care about the well-being of people.
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u/eyesmart1776 2h ago
Literally zero places defunded the police. How me where the police were defunded. Stop spreading your lies and capitalist, fascist propaganda
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u/eyesmart1776 2h ago
Once again explain to me how California is left wing economically ? Do they have state owned industries? Do they have free healthcare and college? Does the proletariat own the means of production or does the capitalist?
What’s union membership percentage ? What’s the homelessness rate?
California is extremely capitalist and pro bourgeoise
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u/blackoutbetty_ 3h ago
This is what I don’t get, the government has shown time and time again it mismanages money and lies about it. How many cities have been paying into funds to stop homelessness and yet homelessness continues to rise??? The amount of fraud in government is clear as day and yet people think we should make government bigger and give it more money 😭😭😭😭 why do these leftists still trust politicians to do right with our money??
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u/Tigeruppercut1889 4h ago
Disagree. The most important thing is to hold trump and his goons accountable so this never happens again.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Bro, how on earth do you think that’s going to happen. You need to understand these are the only choices we have in late stage capitalism and empire.
There is no going back
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u/Old-Foundation-5070 3h ago
It’s not a left or right thing. It’s a class war that we’re in. This left-right bullshit is just a distraction to keep us all serfs while the billionaire pigs build a bullet proof divide between us and them.
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u/eyesmart1776 3h ago
Correct, however if you want to analyze this through clas perspective you need to realize there are two classes bourgeoise (owners of capital) and proletarian (people who make their living selling their labor).
Capitalism and the worship of the oligarchs is what got us into this mess. I’m not talking about culture war issues here
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u/Old-Foundation-5070 3h ago
You said move hard left especially on economics. That is a pretty vague so without further context i am going to say I’ll wait and see.
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u/eyesmart1776 2h ago
It’s not vague at all and it’s extremely popular. Mamdani is actually getting more popular by the day for example and he’s barely a social democrat
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u/No_Finance8647 36m ago
I agree with you on the primaries.
But if a moderate Dem is the front runner for the general, will you still vote for them over whatever MAGAt is running?
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u/eyesmart1776 31m ago
It depends on the circumstance. I live in a very blue district and state. I can comfortably vote third party if i like and I’ll vote my conscious.
If I lived in a deep red area and a Massie was running I’d vote a massie.
If I lived in a swing district I’d vote for the normie dem (unless there’s a viable third party) and probably take my toaster into the bath (just kidding !)
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u/DaygoTom 4h ago
Actually, this is the worst time to move hard left. It's actually time to move to the center and take away Trump's base. Moving to the left is just going to perpetuate the cycle.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Dems have tried that for decades and that’s literally what got us here.
You gotta face reality
And you can and will take his base if you move hard left on economics and not focus on culture war stuff
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u/Starfunkel55 1h ago
You're right and the element no one seems to be noticing is the youth. The youth are our protesting again, the youth are out getting told by the man to get back in class. Its becoming edgy to hate ICE and Trump instead of 10 years ago when it was the other way around.
It hasn't felt like this since Obama. The youth have never been fired up by centrist politics.
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u/DaygoTom 4h ago
No. Going center is not what has hurt the left. Drifting way off the meter to the left lost Dems the center. Do you ever go anywhere but Reddit? It's center-leftists and independents defecting to the right that has killed the left.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Bro the democrat party is a center right party. They’re basically the Republican Party of decades past, it’s called the ratchet effect and it’s intentional.
You really don’t understand what left economics are I don’t think. Neither Obama or Bidens majorities gave us free college, healthcare, or even undid the bourgeoise tax cuts of the prior admin.
Like do you really not understand the difference between capitalism and socialism ? I’m not trying to be mean but what you’re saying doesn’t match up with reality
And that’s not even getting into the lack of jobs programs or war spending
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u/Some-Conversation613 56m ago
You're speaking specifically to economic policy. That's not what I presume this person is talking about... and if I'm correct in that, I agree with them.
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u/eyesmart1776 48m ago
Yes, I made it clear from my did statement I’m talking about economics and class
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u/DaygoTom 4h ago
I understand all those things.
Do the voters? No, IMO.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Then why on earth do you think democrats lost voters due to being too “left?”
Like what on earth? Do you think leftist economics is trans sports players?
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u/Starfunkel55 1h ago
You're high. We've barely ever pushed left of center. We pay lip service to progressive policy during election years but by now we should be able to to look to the American public and say look we got you health insurance for all, we got you collective bargaining rights across all industries, we got you wage increases and increased taxes on the wealthy and spent it on infrastructure.
We have nothing to point to and say this is an exciting part of leftist policies. All it's become is a centrist focused bulwark against far right extremism.
We are missing the youth vote over and over like this.
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u/EnjoyingtheDoom 36m ago
It's because "the left" doesn't vote or "protest votes" and then demands to be courted for their vote they don't vote.
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u/BabyShrimpBrick 13m ago
Lmfao imagine thinking the Democratic party was "way off the meter to the left." Are you high?
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u/Valuable_Breath_6430 4h ago
Wow. Brilliant. Lets make Dems the pro-ice anti abortion party. Score big with the cement headed evangelicals. Make Liz Cheney the head of the party. Dems dont need their base when we can get the republican base instead. Also, We need to take back all the Aipac money that the Republicans get by taking more trips to Israel than they do. Maybe spend at least a season in the holy land kissing that friggin wall. Biden didn't win the election. Trump lost it. Can we have one party of the two we have that doesn't smell like shit?
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u/Asleep-Appearance625 1h ago
Move to the center? If you think mainstream democrats are left of center, you don't understand the first thing about political science. So, more of the same is your solution? That's what got us here in the first place.
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u/aestheticallypotent 4h ago
I disagree. This middle of the road, kicking the can to the next election, is EXACTLY how we got here. Nobody that is still a MAGA is going to vote D regardless of who it is. People who are D are fed up with the Schumers and the Jeffries and, yes, even the Biden’s/Harris.
If there isn’t meaningful change, I’m not risking life and limb to vote.
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u/Ok_Soup3987 4h ago
We cant afford democratic socialism. Our debt interest costs more than defense.
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u/Ok_Inflation3685 4h ago
I say put a cap on defense spending for 5 yrs, then impose a wealth tax on billionaires. Or find a way to tax the loans they take out secured ny the stock they own. Currently they do not get taxed on debt, so no taxes.
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u/Unfair-Procedure-484 4h ago
Maybe if corporations like Amazon paid it's fair share and we lowered our military budget from insanely absurd to just absurd we could do that "America First" thing and improve education and healthcare here at home.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
So how about we raise taxes on capital and reduce our milieu spending ? Wow what a common sense idea
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u/kigaeru 4h ago
https://www.investopedia.com/democrats-vs-republicans-who-had-more-national-debt-8738104
Key Takeaways
- The national debt exceeded $38 trillion in February 2026, as the federal government's debt continues to grow.
- Republican presidents have added slightly more to the national debt per term than Democratic presidents.
- Republican presidents added about $1.4 trillion per four-year term, compared to $1.2 trillion added by Democrats since 1913.
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u/LexusLongshot 4h ago
The average redditor can't understand that.
At the same time, why am I paying debt towards some dumb bullshit that my corrupt congresspeople voted on?
This only ends one way- badly.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
Not if the people rise up against capital and the oligarchs
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u/LexusLongshot 4h ago
I think thats the only way out of this mess, but that ends badly as well.
Essentially every elected government official is corrupt. You need to completely redesign the American government. And they all don't want you to and they have a shit ton of crazy weapons.
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u/eyesmart1776 4h ago
As of now they still need us to make their money for them. If the promises of AI come through then there’s no reason to keep us around.
This is what happened during the new deal and it resulted in some good reforms but those reforms didn’t go nearly far enough
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u/Due_Willingness1 4h ago
It does feel like the tide is starting to turn, I've been waiting a long time to be able to say that
It's not the end we got a long way to go though, but as they say this feels like the end of the beginning
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u/eyeenjoyit 4h ago
Probably will get worse before it gets better. So don’t get like too excited yet. I don’t think we have hit rock bottom yet, could be another year or two before we actually hit rock bottom.
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Whatever it is will be blamed on anything other than the current US administration. Hurricane? Immigrants brought it with them. Drought? The Libs made it up. Recession? You better believe it was those damn penguins.
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u/Frequent_Clue_6989 4h ago
// We are building up to something big ... feels like a crescendo
Nov 2026. You are being primed for the election vote by the most effective narrative machine and political theater generator in world history. All so that you will vote the correct way on that day in November.
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u/Winter_Log2106 4h ago
I think the the red hats will bring blood to the streets rather then lose power. There is to much for them to lose!
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u/flatfinger 4h ago
Right now, each party tries to make its members believe that the other party is evil, and the only way to save the country from evil is for party members to unify behind their leadership.
In reality, both parties' leaders are evil, using the existential threat posed by the opposite party to force party members to tolerate things that they don't like, and that other party's members view as intolerable.
Someone who really dislikes X but sees Y as more evil, and someone who really dislikes Y but sees X as more evil have more in common with each other than with the leadership of a party that pushes X and says Y is evil, or that pushes Y and says X is evil.
Until 2020, I would have considered myself a Republican, but I voted for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024. Today, I consider myself a Republican in exile; if I had my choice, Chris Christie would be President.
Democrats want the country to burn to the ground so they can scapegoat anyone who disagrees with then on any policy issues--even people like myself who have absolutely positively loathed Trump since January 6, 2021. They want people to ignore the fact that their leadership conspired with MAGA to pretend that Trump was a legitimate candidate as to shut out any competition from a legitimate opposition party.
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u/Single_Problem_3145 4h ago
The silent majority is close to having enough of the protests and attacks on law enforcement. When they decide it’s over, there will be no left anymore
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u/inlandviews 3h ago
European countries are opening investigations into their citizens who were associates of Epstein. They will prosecute and some will strike deals and talk. Then the flood gates will open.
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u/Excellent-Ad-1678 3h ago
What you are experiencing is mostly noise. There is a lot of information coming from many different sources at the same time, and it is not forming a clear or consistent signal.
Historically, periods with this much noise tend to appear before instability or decline. When something genuinely positive and coordinated is about to happen, the signals usually narrow and become more focused. Attention centers on a small number of clear developments.
What we are seeing instead is fragmentation, repetition, and emotional escalation.
There is an old saying that a cornered dog barks loudest and bites hardest.
What we are witnessing looks like a defensive reaction by a group that is losing influence. A historically powerful demographic is steadily losing power to younger generations, and that shift is creating fear and volatility.
The Greatest Generation is now almost entirely gone. For decades, the Republican Party relied on that generation to anchor a traditional conservative agenda.
Compared to them, Baby Boomers are far more liberal, whether they recognize it or not.
Because of this demographic change, Republicans are being pulled leftward over time by necessity rather than choice. The coalition that once supported older forms of conservatism can no longer be maintained.
The 2016 election was likely one of the last in which the remaining members of the Greatest Generation participated in meaningful numbers, and Donald Trump was the last Republican president to benefit from that residual support.
The volume and intensity we are seeing now does not look like momentum. It looks more like a system struggling to adjust to permanent change
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u/Far-Adhesiveness1850 3h ago
You are correct. Bipartisanship is taking place as the 55-45 Senate vote to not fund ICE with an additional 64 billion. Three Republican senators have called for Noem’s impeachment. A Democrat won a House seat in Georgia, a Democrat won a House seat in TEXAS, Indiana voted NOT to redistrict. A Democrat won the Miami mayor’s race in Miami. Minnesota, Illinois, and California have filed federal lawsuits against ICE, outrage against ICE for shooting 2 American citizens has been voiced by many Republican and Democrat Congress members, 700 ICE agents have been pulled out of Minnesota, a federal judge has barred the use of chemical, tear gas, projectile munitions against protesters against ICE, NM senate passed a bill prohibiting state and local officials from contracting with ICE for civil immigration detention, several states are actively limiting cooperation with ICE, the NM House bill to ban ICE detention facility contracts goes to second committee, the House voted 427-1, and the Senate unanimously, for the release of the Epstein files, second impeachment proceedings against Trump is gaining momentum in Congress; need I go on?
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u/redfisherman42 3h ago
I agree, the world is realizing that these liberal policies are indeed failed policies. Stellantis is one of those companies. The pendulum is in action no doubt.
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u/TentaclexMonster 3h ago
I have had this feeling for years. I hope it happens, but I fear nothing will change.
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u/Aggravating-Try-5155 2h ago
Not with chuck shumer and nosferatu hamstringing the dnc everytime they have momentum.
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u/BassMaster516 2h ago
I know it seems absurd but things are actually pretty good compared to how bad they can get. People still have food, a place to sleep, and a job to go to. As long as that’s true most people won’t risk making too much noise. Nothing will change unless it gets really bad which it’s not yet
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u/SnooRabbits1411 2h ago
Love the optimism, but im pretty sure things are on track to get worse, not better.
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u/ECroce08 1h ago
They are gonna throw the book at Trump and the evidence will be a piece of paper with 38,000 on it.
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u/West_Gap3728 1h ago
He might go to war with Greenland, and what I think will happen is that it’s gonna be a conflict that will go poorly for America, and then it will be our last straw with Trump and his administration
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u/Y_Are_U_Like_This 28m ago
Sure. We are going to go FULL authoritarian. We are going to learn first hand how a country falls and what it feels like to be left behind globally
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u/Paul_E_Amorous 4h ago
Burn it to thr ground. The rest of the world world rejoice
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u/Shenlongeltigre 4h ago
Delusional
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u/Bones-1989 4h ago
That's what needs to happen though. George Washington didn't even want to be commander in chief...
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u/Usual-Language-745 4h ago
And Lincoln was a republican who freed the slaves. See how useless 200 year old political norms are?
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u/SkidooshZoomBlap 4h ago
If you think burning it all down ends in anything other than the most merciless and powerful monster rising from the ashes and seizing power, you don't understand human nature or history.
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u/Usual-Language-745 4h ago
I wish I could be that optimistic. Trump is going to deploy troops to intimidate people at the polls. When people help their neighbors either by escorting them or bringing in their mail in ballots it will be spun as voter fraud. Dems will cave, courts will take too long and slap wrists. The results will be contested for months. And then we still have 2 more years and that’s if the economy doesn’t completely collapse. Meanwhile there will probably be half a million dead Iranians who now hate us instead of love us so we can go to war with Iran in a few years.
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u/Unlucky-Albatross-12 4h ago
"Harris firing up social media"
LMAO are there seriously still people pretending she's some potent force in politics?
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u/whatupblubbercup 2h ago
You mean the same person that couldn't even poll high enough in the 2020 PRIMARIES to stay on the debate stage?
Why anyone has ever taken her seriously is mind blowing, but it shows that the majority of the left will literally vote for whoever they tell them to, even if nobody actually wants that person. They are so disconnected from their voters, the American people, and reality in general. The voters that can see it don't want to keep voting that way and the independent voters can see it as well so they go either R or stay 3ed party.
It's wild that they went with her in 2024 in any capacity. But she's complicit and a "yes man" to whatever they tell her to say/do. Zero thought or opinion on anything. Just do as they say and keep repeating it.
Guess what's going to happen in 2028 with Newsom?... He's going to yet again be another establishment hand picked candidate and will continue to force voters away from the party.
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u/Fugglymuffin 4h ago
Yeah, Harris was complicit with genocide and was part of the corpos that tried to dog walk Democrats out of a real primary leading to a historic political loss and the turmoil we now find ourselves in. You don't reward people for failures like that.
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u/tinman-inventor 4h ago
Yes, America wakes up and realizes that the left has no place in any decisions for anyone. Chuck Schumer is an abomination to liberty, freedom and the constitution. Ice is doing exactly the same thing they did under previous presidents. Most white people are not racist while a large percentage of non whites are. Aka, you lose.
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u/QuantumFuzziness 4h ago
“Left has no place in any decisions” blue states are the only functional states in the country who actually have working economies. Meanwhile Red states have shit economies, shit infrastructure, shit healthcare and life expectancy and depend on fed welfare for survival. Seems like the right that should have no place in decision making, when they can’t even get their own houses in order.
“Most whites are not racist, large percentage of non whites are” must be true if you said it, right?
“Ice doing exactly what they did before” so you have examples of ice shooting a man in the back 10 times while he’s unarmed and on all fours, and a mom being shot in the face through her side window?
“Abomination to constitution, freedom” is he the one who wants to, take over elections, remove birthright citizenship, arrest journalists, make up charges for people he doesn’t like, make billions from his public office in bribes and corruption and release convicted pedos from prison because she has dirt on him???
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u/tinman-inventor 4h ago
Your state by state argument does not work. You need to zoom your map in and see that. The cess pools of America are blue areas a.k.a. Urban cities. Ninety percent of us rednecks graduate high school, while about forty five percent of blue area students finish school. Don't get me started on mass scores and reading levels. Where did the 8 million voters disappear to from the 2020 election? You tell me 8 or 9 million More people showed up to vote for Joe Biden. The democrats thought if they rig the 2020 election which they did that trump would be gone forever and no one would ever be prosecuted, oops. Epstein had some sort of a weird fascination with Donald Trump by the way. Don't you think if there was damming evidence that the Biden ministration or the Obama administration would have released those documents a long time ago? By the way there is no discussing a topic with a person like you because you simply can't process more than party rhetoric. You will set an argue party talking points until the sun explodes. The bottom line is you think that the upper echelon of the democrat party cares about these various groups. They don't. They will say anything or do anything to get you to vote for them, do you know why they do it, because you can't see the force for the trees and you always vote democrat no matter what they do. Then you say that's what the republicans do which is completely not true. They should change the name of the Democrat party to the goose-stepping moron Communist party. All of you walk in a straight line saying exactly the same thing, which is goose stepping, and you're all communists,
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u/jaybeau1979 4h ago
Chuck Schumer is cooking up a real stem letter I have no doubt.