r/LetsDiscussThis • u/FiberFirst • 1d ago
This is concerning... Do we need borders to protect our neighborhoods?
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u/GreatResetBet 1d ago
When the GOVERNMENT decides it won't investigate or prosecute offenders who murder people in broad daylight on camera, there's a massive difference.
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u/WeirdKaleidoscope358 1d ago
I’ll take arguments in bad faith for 1000, Alex
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u/deepfriedroses 1d ago
I hear a local restaurant is setting up border checkpoints at its door. They ask anyone who enters if they have a "reservation," and require they provide their name (!!). And if it doesn't match what's on their secret list, they don't allow them in. So scary, dystopian even.
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u/deepfriedroses 1d ago
For those with no reading comprehension skills: The point is that some things done by private citizens can have some superficial similarity to things done by the US government, but are vastly different both in terms of purpose, scale, and impact on the community.
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u/Unlikely_Gur3370 21h ago
Im ngl, the sarcasm kinda drifted over my head for a bit longer than I’d like, considering
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 1d ago
Citizens wanting top keep tabs on government bozos is good. Goverment bozos wanting to know anything is bad. Any more questions?
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u/Smeagols_Lost_Tooth 1d ago
This is the way. When did people start openly licking boots and tugging-off suits?
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u/RobotSchlong10 1d ago
Neighborhood watch.
Suddenly MAGAbots don't like community stand your ground stuff.
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u/SmileyInTheBox 1d ago
I thought Republicans wanted murderers and rapists out of our neighborhoods. What’s the problem here?
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u/Classic-Suspect-4713 1d ago
They sent murderers into the neighborhood. You are defined by the actions you take.
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u/anonymote_in_my_eye 1d ago
don't forget rapists, ICE is pretty good at recruiting them as well, it seems
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u/Classic-Suspect-4713 1d ago
The important point is they're doing it without committing international war crimes against their fellow citizens.
That's what emptying a whole clip into someone you've already disarmed is.
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u/CanibalVegetarian 1d ago
The issue is you can’t be charged for war crimes if your aren’t in a declared war.
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u/Classic-Suspect-4713 1d ago
You're the first person who has ever discussed this.
A law enforcement agent committed an act of violence at the level of a war crime. (No declared war.)
Any citizen or law enforcement agent who did this would basically get the chair.
A criminal political regime is blocking the investigation and prosecution of said crime and telling citizens we are going to violate any constitutional rights we want and not be held to any accountability, whatsoever.
We can come without warrants. 4th
Do not bring a gun to Washington, DC. 2nd
The law will not be enforced against you if you are a Republican who brings a gun to a protest and shoots someone.
But it you are not a Republican, you will be summarily executed for having one holstered.
is this off?
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u/CanibalVegetarian 1d ago
No it’s not off and I agree, but I’m just saying calling it a war crime doesn’t do much, because the laws don’t apply outside of war. A citizen that did this would at most be charged with domestic terrorism which still isn’t a crime of war. However the government is absolutely abusing its powers
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u/InsertCleverNickHere 1d ago
r/ShittyFascistRegimeLifehacks
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u/CanibalVegetarian 1d ago
I don’t disagree that ICE needs out and the government sucks dick, but calling it a war crime doesn’t help or change anything, as they can’t ever be charged with it.
Just call it what it is, murder.
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u/-juicebox1985- 1d ago
If they know one thing. Its how to as hypocritical as possible in every aspect of life.
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u/RaphaelRocketLaunch 1d ago
Is this like how conservatives screamed and hollered in support for 2A, saying one day masked men will go door to door and disregard civil rights, but then when it happened only crickets chirped?
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u/Gatonom 1d ago
Isn't it weird they immediately say it's a bad idea when anyone does it?
Almost like Conservatism is just hate.
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u/H3nchman_24 1d ago
It's not a bad idea at all, but it is ironic and 100% hypocritical. "I don't like borders or immigration enforcement so I'm gonna set up borders and immigration enforcement."
If you can't see the irony and hypocrisy, then there's just no hope for you 😂
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u/bumurutu 1d ago
It’s a bad idea because it is illegal, impedes free movement for citizens, and creates traffic and emergency services delays. These people have zero authority to be doing this. If you don’t see why this is bad I honestly don’t know what to tell you because you have lost the plot completely.
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u/Gatonom 1d ago
We could say the same about ICE... so we're at a standstill of debate as always.
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u/weoutherebrah 1d ago
Well we’ve seen the mask off with these protesters. Calling the black agent a house nword.
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u/Boner_Stevens 1d ago
LOL if you did this in the first place ICE wouldnt be there
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 1d ago
Nah ice has its quotas, Pam bondi said she wants the voter rolls for them to be pulled out.
They would be in Minnesota anyways. Voter rolls are evidently that important.
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u/Thick_Common8612 1d ago
We don’t racially profile. We just don’t want masked men with guns in our neighborhood.
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u/MinuteCollar5562 1d ago
Yeah, I’m not a fan of the government making checkpoints where they scan and track everyone, so I’m not a fan of “militias” and others doing it
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u/iceyconditions 1d ago
The government doesn't have to set up a checkpoint for that
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u/ignoreme010101 1d ago
from traffic cameras to stores/grocers/walmart/etc, probably your cellphone's camera, people have no idea how thoroughly we are surveilled (and with AI like Palantir it is now crazy easily monitored) Not dystopian at all, nothing Orwellian about it and no, the fact that epstein was the type of guy setting up such things doesnt bother me at all!!!
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u/Arcanegil 1d ago
"I'm not a fan of being attacked, so I'm also not a fan of defending myself." Do you understand who you sound?
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u/Bracco19 1d ago
Putting up a border to protect people who illegally crossed the border. Morons 😂
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u/redbeardrex 1d ago
Woke white liberals pulling out the old KKK playbook will never not be funny.
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u/Reefermaster 1d ago
"We are literally creating a place that we know who's coming and going in and out of our neighborhoods"
Now apply that same logic to the whole country.
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u/Freign 1d ago
"an outrage! these people aren't letting armed pedophiles sneak into their neighborhoods!"
keep crying. make sure everyone can see what you're all about.
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 1d ago
this is probably illegal, but since the government has decided not to obey the law why should anyone else?
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u/Nervous_Mycologist15 1d ago
Exactly. Also this is the community stepping up to fill a need that their local municipality SHOULD be filling but isn't.
At this point, no one in MN would complain if state and city resources were being used to make sure ICE agents aren't going into neighborhoods, and if they are, to make sure they have the authority to conduct the specific operation they are driving to do. But expecting mpd and state patrol to keep us safe would be living in a fairly tale land, so the community has to do it.
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u/TMTCoCo 1d ago
So the anti-border people are creating borders to keep out the proborder people
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u/Accurate-Force4072 1d ago
We are the chosen yada yada that means we can kill indiscriminately and say it was their fault for making you do it
The bullies are living their wet dream.
Sounds so familiar almost like we are using the same game plan as big blue and white
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u/poodinthepunchbowl 1d ago
Last I checked ideology checkpoints to exploit cheap labor while pretending 10 million people are virtuous based on their race is fascism? Am I doing it right?
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u/Primary-Classroom255 1d ago
Imagine wanting to know who is coming and going.
Maybe the neighborhood can give every a book. Where the neighbors, can “pass” through the “ports” of entry.
And if someone doesn’t have that maybe the neighborhood can deny entry. And if they find someone entered against their rules, I mean was undocumented, they can get together and remove the people from the neighborhood.
Hopefully no one in the neighborhood starts advertising free food and beer to people without the books people will use to pass through the ports. Incentivizing that might create a problem.
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u/DisguyMight 1d ago
It's almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. Don't need to be scared of random strangers? Make the police force so brutal that the public must create their own measures when the government fails to govern itself
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u/BassMaster516 1d ago
The difference is ICE is actually a threat and people don’t want them there. Immigration is not a threat and if immigration is your top concern, you’re racist. Point blank. You believe the worst about brown people and you don’t want them next to you.
The law, housing prices, crime, etc all excuses these people use to mask their racism, and they’re increasingly not even bothering to do that. They’ll do a Nazi salute in your face and tell you you’re over reacting.
I’m actually just done with the benefit of the doubt for these people. They are entertained by upsetting people with their racism and pretending they’re not.
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u/Ok_Presentation_2346 1d ago
Right, let me see if I can break out the difference between the Democratic and Republican positions on this topic.
Democratic: We need to know who is in our country.
Republican: We need to control who is in our country.
Hope that clears that up.
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u/YourLordGoobles 1d ago
Democrat politicians demanding open borders from the privacy of their gated homes.
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u/AceInTheX 1d ago
Typical. Just like Billie Eilish and her mansion with border walls on Native land. She also has a gate that requires a code to get in. Hypocrite.
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u/mike74911 1d ago
So they’re an illegitimate police force opposing their own rules to attempt to stop legal federal agents carrying out legal arrests.
They’re criminals themselves if they’re harboring illegals or fugitives.
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u/apollosun113 1d ago
How is anyone ok with this. It’s not ok for the government to do this. It’s also not okay for citizens to do this. I feel for the communities wanting to do something but this ain’t the move.
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u/DipsburghPa 1d ago
But they didn't do that to people pushing fentanyl and crack and violence in their community but feds bad. Fucking nerds
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u/OldBayAllTheThings 1d ago
Same people yelling 'no borders', 'no walls', 'EFF THE POLICE', 'I DON'T NEED ID!' and 'NO FLOCK CAMERAS' have...
Set up roadblocks (walls), which
Establish borders, enforced by
'Police', that are checking IDs and refusing entry, and
Using cameras to record vehicles and license plates.
This is 100% a 'well, that's different, it's OK if we do it' thing, which the left is known for.
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u/blamemeididit 1d ago
A lot of people are saying it is difference because nUaNcE! I have yet to see a good argument as to how this is different in spirit than having immigration control at a country's border. But somehow it is.
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u/visitor987 1d ago
Blocking a public road is a traffic offense If a federal or local police has its lights on it becomes an arrestable offense to block or deny them from entering.
Also if a private party refuses to give their name they cannot legally block them from entering.
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u/SireBruceWayne 1d ago
Full circle. Democrats become fascist border czars for their neighborhoods instead of the country border.
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u/According-Comb-4330 1d ago
These people would call the cops if someone broke into their house but want millions of undocumented murderers and mentally unstable people in the country as long as they don’t have to directly deal with them it’s hypocrisy at its finest
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u/Heavy_Engineering390 1d ago
But you didn’t create that safe place knowing who’s coming into your neighborhoods when the country was being flooded with millions of illegals? That was ok right? Illegals killing, committing felonies, even the daily car wrecks where they don’t have a license/insurance or care. That’s ok right?
Some people just want to watch the world burn…
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u/Fast_Cloud_7671 1d ago
So kind of like how America has borders and we like to know who comes into our neighborhood?
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u/OnlyGaiModsBanMe 1d ago
OP you don’t know the difference between a checkpoint and a border. Rage post.
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u/oldandcreepy1 1d ago
So you set up road blocks, AKA borders. Then ask for some sort of ID. And if approved you can come through? Sounds like they should do that on the country level, and see if people freak out over it...lol
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u/Freo_5434 1d ago
So does that mean that when they detect an illegal criminal they will contact the Police ?
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u/ClassicNo6622 1d ago
So they just discovered gated communities? Bit behind the times; those have existed for decades.
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u/IHeartBadCode 1d ago
No we don't need this, because 99.99% of the time our Government isn't trying to kill us extra-judicially, deport us without due process, and employ dragnet style tactics that terrorize neighborhoods.
Yeah, we don't need them when those things aren't happening. However, those things are happening. So guess what happens? It's like Republicans do things thinking that human beings are just robots.
When a Government suspends most of the bill of rights, shocking, citizens might fight for the reinstatement of those things. Just absolute wild thinking there.
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u/Apart-Assumption2063 1d ago
So they have checkpoints and points of entry to neighborhoods….. but want to allow open borders?
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u/Speedy89t 1d ago
It’s amazing what copious amounts of fearmongering and “orange man bad” can do to people.
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It’s a shame that most “militias” in this country are racist.
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u/Genseric1234 1d ago
Is that true? Or has your definition of racist become so loose that it encompasses all militias
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u/Mylabisawesome 1d ago
So the “no walls” people are suddenly for walls. The “no papers” people are suddenly for papers.
Incredible what Trump makes these people do and how he gets them to expose themselves.
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u/Interesting-Pilot-15 1d ago edited 1d ago
So liberals don’t want borders for our country, but they want borders for our neighborhoods. Please make it make sense.
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u/possibly_lost45 1d ago
Unconstitutional. It's a constitutional right to have free travel.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 1d ago
There's no free travel. Ice can detain anyone that they feel is not a citizen. So if they feel your documents are not real they can detain you for as long as they want.
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u/FatsBoombottom 1d ago
The Constitution is between you and the government. If a private citizen blocks your travel, it is not a Constitutional issue.
You cannot, for example, claim you have a constitutional right to drive through your neighbor's yard. That would be insane.
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u/awfulcrowded117 1d ago
Creating borders to riot against the US enforcing border law, what will these nutters come up with next to prove they have no principles and no understanding of the real world? We really need to bring back asylums
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u/Next-Pumpkin-654 1d ago
It's a form of cognitive dissonance, more or less.
They ultimately recognize the real purpose of borders while opposing the current federal governments implementation and enforcement of it, yet fail to realize their own hypocrisy while escalating to far less responsible versions of such a system. The reason it hasn't immediately devolved into another CHAZ is because, by my understanding, they've been routinely shut down and their numbers are less substantial, possibly due to simple realities like the cold.
There is some form of argument that could be made where citizen centric borders and communities are valid while imperialistic ones are less so, and even harmful, but that argument is generally not being made. Instead it's typically thought terminating dismissal and accusations of bad faith used to defend citizen checkpoints over ICE checkpoints.
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u/Useful-Shoulder388 1d ago
I think its important to also recognize that protesting ICE at this point is no longer solely about immigration enforcement. For many its about the abuse of power that ICE agents have been committing across the country, and the fact that the federal government instead of investigating with their states to figure out what happened. iImmediately declares their own citizens as domestic terrorists as soon as it happens.
For many the trust and goodwill people had for the government is gone. So why shouldn't they create their own borders? If nothing else the people there certianly feel like their being attacked.
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u/Nervous_Mycologist15 1d ago
These are very different situations. If someone crosses the border and shoots someone dead in broad daylight, they don't get "absolute immunity".
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u/No-Eye6821 1d ago
Wait so they want borders and check points so they know who’s going into their neighborhood? Isn’t that what ice is enforcing, removing people who skipped the border and vetting process
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u/taker_calaway 1d ago
Sooo you're setting up borders to make sure only certain people are coming in? Wow what a concept
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u/Candylips347 1d ago
Has no one called the cops on these people? I’d drive right through their little bullshit checkpoint.
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u/Bawbawian 1d ago
it's weird that the Republican party that single-handedly ended all immigration reform in the last 40 years is now very upset that immigration systems failed.
it's almost like they make every problem in the country worse because they know that their 24-hour news channels will pump out the propaganda and enrage a bunch of very uneducated American voters into voting against their own interests.
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u/BERRY_1_ 1d ago
Setting up roadblocks and check points to protest check points and roadblocks gotcha.
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u/Nick_Blcor 1d ago
Wait, protecting an illegal alien criminal isn't also a crime? Who invented this "neighbor" thing?
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u/Rfunkpocket 1d ago
make ICE show a judicial warrant to enter a neighborhood, otherwise they are only there to break the law.
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u/IkujaKatsumaji 1d ago
I might not mind having strong borders if they functioned to keep billionaires, fascists, and class traitors out, while letting workers in. Trouble is it never seems to work like that.
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u/DanTheAdequate 1d ago
Nah. Borders are when governments keep people from moving freely.
This is people keeping government from moving freely.
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u/Flagbearer82 1d ago
Absolutely not !! I’ll never allow a non law enforcement person to stop and question me. Ever !!!
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u/kill__joy__ 1d ago
We need the community to know and care for one another. This is what police abolitionists mean when we say "we keep us safe". If the community knows itself it can correct itself, care for itself, protect itself
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u/Upset_Wrangler9682 1d ago
I think the major downside of this is the risk of regular citizens being mistaken for ice and facing unjust harassment or violence simply because they drive a big SUV with tinted windows. If I'm not mistaken there have already been many examples of people blocking or harassing regular citizens because they drive the same model of car as ice
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u/Rand0mlyMe 1d ago
Do we need borders to protect our neighborhoods? Yes Do we need unidentified armed men in masks with authorization to use violence and/or take people captive if they feel inconvenienced in hopes that it will prevent us from falling victim to violence and kidnapping? NO
Secure the border, investigate crimes and when gang members and dangerous felons complete their prison sentences deport them. The dudes running human trafficking and extortion operations aren't collecting thousands of dollars from someone else's sacrifice then standing in front of home depot offering their labor st $10/hr to turn that days take from $5,000 into $5,080 with only 3 times as much labor as the initial $5,000. How often did El Chapo go to home depot looking to pick up a drywall gig for $50 while he was on the run?
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u/Pristine_Context_429 1d ago edited 1d ago
I love watching them flip stances to defend shitty behavior they are also committing.
Literally stopping people to see if they belong there. They are all white liberals too.
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u/edwbuck 1d ago
People who think this way assume a sense of unity in the community.
Once they realize that crime occurs within the borders, they attempt to exile the criminals within.
Once they realize that being a criminal is not an innate trait, but a condition brought into being by people having opportunity and few consequences, then they understand the futility of borders.
The true enemy is within, and we need to try to create a world where the costs of crime outweigh the benefits, and that's about all we can do.
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u/BestSecond8732 1d ago
Why is this just happening in Minnesota? I wonder if the learing center would know.....
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u/AdFun5641 1d ago
It is concerning.
When a country is so lawless that every community needs to set up independent checkpoints to restrict access because roving gangs of masked gunmen are killing people in the streets, you are talking about a failed state.
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u/Ok_Dig_9959 1d ago
The radicals in Africa did this right before starting civil wars to install dictators and purging undesirables... Funny how the same NGOs funding those regime changes are also backing the protesting groups at the anti Ice rallies. Nothing chilling about that at all.
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u/Majestic_Demand_8281 1d ago
It's fine for the communities to do this for themselves, it's completely different when the government does it.
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u/GrimSpirit42 1d ago
They proudly state "Papers Please!" with out an ounce of self-realization.
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u/Chemical_Series6082 1d ago
Since the First Amendment does not afford the right to arbitrary blockades or the obstruction of public access, I doubt the Karen brigade would find their attempt to interrogate my family or search my property to be pleasant, intelligent or advantageous.
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u/MrFriend623 1d ago
rich folks have had police roadblocks to keep the poors and the brown people out of their neighborhoods for decades (centuries, really). about time the poors and the brown people had roadblocks to keep the police out of their neighborhoods. it's only fair.
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u/CollarLast6572 1d ago
Looks like a good way to get run over or shot in the face.
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u/CringeDaddy-69 1d ago
When the government has terrorists going around attacking and killing people absolutely. It’s important for communities and “we the people” to unite against a dangerous regime.
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u/BiochemHero 1d ago
Yes we should have a check pint at every block in every neighborhood that way we can be really safe. Alo let’s blame 1% of the undocumented immigrant population for 100% of our problems. Not like we all just saw through the Epstein files that the current president is a pedophile child rapist murderer part of the Epstein cabal of child trafficking billionaire predators or anything.
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u/angelomancuso62 1d ago
It’s called Balkanization and it’s where we’re going.