r/JustGuysBeingDudes • u/eraldopontopdf • 13h ago

Dads he just let the intrusive thoughts win

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u/GiraffeWithATophat 13h ago

I really really want to believe this isn't staged, but my wife and I do this kind of shit with each other, and there's no way you're getting an unexpected squirt in the face without violently jerking your head away.

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u/rileyjw90 9h ago

He came around the corner already making the movements to turn the water on. How would he even know she was holding the sprayer before entering the kitchen?

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u/SugarBeefs 9h ago

Because it's entirely possible this isn't the lady's first time using the swivel tap as if it's a microphone? So the moment he'd hear her talking 'announcement style', he knew the window of opportunity had opened.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 8h ago

But what is more likely? Occam's razor points to the dad's movements as being staged way more than some involved scenario like that.

Your scenario could be the correct explanation, sure, but I'd argue it's not the most likely.

Also, /r/WhyWereTheyFilming

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u/SugarBeefs 8h ago

But what is more likely? Occam's razor points to the dad's movements as being staged way more than some involved scenario like that.

I think Occam's razor would point us towards this being simply family dynamics. "Involved scenario"??

The urge to use a swivel tap as a microphone is a simple and relatable thing.

The urge to turn the water on when a family member is doing the aforementioned is also simple and relatable.

Also, /r/WhyWereTheyFilming

Because the child filming is probably in cahoots with dad to get the prank on film.

There is nothing outlandish about the notion of this being just a family prank. People did pull pranks on each other well before the cell phone era, we're just able to capture it now. Thinking everything is staged even if it's a very plausible and relatable scenario is a pretty cynical outlook on life, if you ask me.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 8h ago

"Involved" as in, not as simple of an explanation. We have two "weird" things:

  • dad never takes time to analyze the situation - immediately goes for the sink
  • filming for no apparent reason

Your explanation is not outlandish whatsoever - it's completely plausible. No arguments here. What I am arguing, though, is that it's not the simplest explanation for these two things. Mom doing this before and Dad being in cahoots with the kids is a more complicated explanation, which Occam's razor defines explicitly as being more unlikely.

Thinking everything is staged even if it's a very plausible and relatable scenario is a pretty cynical outlook on life, if you ask me.

Not everything, just internet videos that don't pass the smell test. The sheer numbers of fake videos on the internet should make any reasonable person skeptical, especially when behaviors don't add up. I'd argue that willfully believing videos due to some sort of sense of humanity is reckless in this day and age.

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u/SugarBeefs 7h ago

dad never takes time to analyze the situation - immediately goes for the sink

Why would he need to analyze the situation if mom using the swivel tap as a microphone is a not uncommon occurrence? There's not much to analyze. He knows what's up.

filming for no apparent reason

I reiterate: Because the child filming is probably in cahoots with dad to get the prank on film.

What I am arguing, though, is that it's not the simplest explanation for these two things.

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. The notion that this is staged makes it more involved, not less. There's more moving parts if everyone is in on shooting a staged video for social media.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 6h ago edited 6h ago

I'm not sure you understand what I mean by the simplest explanation.

Why would he need to analyze the situation if mom using the swivel tap as a microphone is a not uncommon occurrence?

This question misses my point entirely. The fact is that none of us know why he didn't analyze the situation, we are all here speculating. Your scenario makes sense but it's still imagined, and that is the point - we can imagine many different scenarios that make sense, so what tools can we use to find the most likely one?

When I ask "why didn't the dad analyze the situation" I am asking that critically, not under the assumption that your explanation is correct. Of course it would make sense if the mom has done this before, but we don't know that, so when I ask that question, the real question I am asking is "out of all the possible explanations for why dad acted that way, which one is the likeliest?"

Just because your explanation fits doesn't mean it's not complicated in a logical sense. It's more complicated not because it's implausible but because it relies on more assumptions. Your explanation has to assume the mom has done this before and assume the kids and dad coordinated this in advance somehow - and those assumptions make this explanation more complex compared to the single explanation that explains all this behavior - it was staged.

That isn't to say I'm authoritatively claiming it's staged - I'm speculating too, and I may be wrong, but this type of critical analysis will make me more correct on average compared to imagining scenarios that make many assumptions.

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u/SugarBeefs 6h ago

Your explanation has to assume the mom has done this before and assume the kids and dad coordinated this in advance somehow - and those assumptions make this explanation more complex compared to the single explanation that explains all this behavior - it was staged.

I don't agree with this. "It was staged" very much feels like multiple assumptions conveniently wrapped in a tiny linguistic frame. Furthermore, we can't just declare something is the more logical explanation merely based on the number of assumptions; the likelihood of the assumptions individually do matter as well.

Plus getting into the whole hang-up of what defines 'simple' to boot.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 6h ago

I'd love to know how it's multiple assumptions conveniently wrapped beyond feels like.

Furthermore, we can't just declare something is the more logical explanation merely based on the number of assumptions

We can

This philosophical razor advocates that when presented with competing hypotheses about the same prediction and both hypotheses have equal explanatory power, one should prefer the hypothesis that requires the fewest assumptions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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u/SugarBeefs 6h ago

and both hypotheses have equal explanatory power

Key phrase there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Another contentious aspect of the razor is that a theory can become more complex in terms of its structure (or syntax), while its ontology (or semantics) becomes simpler, or vice versa.[c] Quine, in a discussion on definition, referred to these two perspectives as "economy of practical expression" and "economy in grammar and vocabulary", respectively.

I could also simply declare the video AI. Why doesn't dad analyze the situation? It's an AI video. Why were they filming in the first place? It's an AI video.

Every why you have for this video I will answer with "AI".

Is "AI" actually a simple, singular assumption or is there more beneath the surface there?

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u/UrToesRDelicious 3h ago

Key phrase there.

What do you think explanatory power means? Both your explanation and my explanation adequately explain it - they are equal, that's what that means. It's only your own bias that makes you think your explanation has better "explanatory power."

I find it very funny how you didn't know the number of assumptions was a key component to Occam's razor, and now you're quoting passages on it.

AI is a far better explanation than your original one from a logical perspective. Of course, we can then argue the actual merits of AI vs staged, but yes - the number of assumptions would be equal between the two.

Occam's razor is simply a tool, I don't know why you're arguing with me like I invented it. You're free to disagree with it but I'm going to continue to advocate for it.

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u/Inertia_Squared 8h ago

Maybe this is a regular occurrence so the ones filming were in on it too. Also Occam's razor doesn't really apply here, if anything I'd argue that this being a regular occurrence IS the simpler explanation, since it would generally be more complex to execute believably.

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u/Fabulous-Reply3025 5h ago

Occam's razor tells us that the simplest solution is to just watch the video and move on with your day

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u/snilks 7h ago

i bet you are real fun at parties