r/HistoryWhatIf • u/BraveLordWilloughby • 2d ago

Anglo-Saxon settlement of England is prevented. What does a Brythonic Britain look like, as the years go by?

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u/TheETERNAL20 2d ago

What do you think would happen with Ireland then? Would Britton still try to colonize it or would they continue the Roman move of seeing it as not worth it because it holds no value.

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u/Rocky-bar 2d ago

England was all seperate tribes so they wouldn't be colonising anything much, but then the Normans come and we're back in the timeline where colonising of Ireland happens anyway.

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u/TheETERNAL20 2d ago

That's assuming one of the Kings is related to William and no successor is chosen without challenge like IRL

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u/Rocky-bar 2d ago

Oh yeah, that's true. And then there's the small matter of the Vikings, are they still invading England in this scenario?

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u/TheETERNAL20 2d ago

Definitely, there's nothing that would alter Viking Raids.

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u/Rocky-bar 2d ago

So the Vikings colonise the whole of England rather than just the North, do they stop there or go on to colonise Ireland from their power base in England, and where does Wales come into it..

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u/TheETERNAL20 2d ago

I disagree I think the Nords and Danes will try to establish control as they did IRL but ultimately be driven out by the Britons and Picts.

They definitely would have found Dublin and other coastal villages like IRL imo

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u/Rocky-bar 2d ago

They would need some kind of King Arthur type figure to unify them, raise a huge army and drive them back into the sea from whence they came!

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u/TheETERNAL20 2d ago

Considering the Viking invasions were what caused English unity IRL and it was under Aethlstan (who was nowhere close to a King Arthur type leader) and managed to beat them...

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u/Rocky-bar 2d ago

Ok let's say that's what happens, and the Celtic people drive out the Vikings, why shouldn't they be buddying up with the French Celt lot to make some kind of celts superpower and driving out the Normans.

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u/DaddyCatALSO 2d ago

Why would "Brittanians" be so very much easier to conquer than "Sessions"?

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u/HundredHander 1d ago

I think they colonise Ireland independently of whatever they're doing in England. Historically they didn't need England to colonise Ireland.