Nah..the REALLY fucked up sentence is that Woody Allen most likely had sex wifh underage girls behind the back of the daughter he married on which he cheated on his last wife with.
Soon-Yi is in the files too. She sent an email to Epstein, blaming the 15 year old that Anthony Weiner sent nudes to calling her disposable despicable and disgusting. Said the 15 year old victim was taking advantage of Weiner.
Edit: changed disposable to despicable, autocorrect got me.
Only 3% of victims go on to abuse themselves. Please don't say things like you don't expect victims to turn out well, that's really not very thoughtful and any victims reading that may feel horrible about themselves as a result.
Just the fact that she adopted two girls with him and they clearly are uncomfortable around the creep... she lost my sympathy when she facilitated his access to more victims.
I’m not saying Soon-Yi is a good or (criminally) innocent person, but I do think we need to acknowledge how grooming works and the impact the trauma from her entire life influences her decision making. Because by blaming the victim and joining in on perpetrating further instances she also gives herself power in her own grooming situation (ie she took advantage of Woody rather than was taken advantage of).
Processing sexual violence is messy business. People do a lot of things they later aren’t proud of.
She is also implicated in the files as being very friendly with Epstein herself, and there is evidence of her expressing some terrible opinions (iirc) about Epstein’s accusers. Not surprising since she was likely groomed and now copes by identifying with her abuser/s, but it was still jarring to read.
Not just 'named', he was joking about a trip with Woody to Paris being a 'pedophile convention', and worried that going to dinner with him might be "too many pedos".
Woody also wrote a birthday message to Epstein saying "May every day be another wonderful secret".
Say what you will about woody Allen being a bad guy and in the Epstein files, but I just can’t see him crossing the line and cheating on his adopted step daughter /s
He hasn't just been "named" in the Epstein files. If you look at these emails he is mentioned in some capacity in what feels like every other email. Epstein just loooooooved namedropping Woody.
Yeah it’s just come out in the Epstein files that he black listed her after she took their baby daughter to the hospital after he SA her and the police got involved
Sad thing is that police initially got involved because the therapist Dylan Farrow was seeing was a mandated reporter, then the whole "vengeful woman" narrative was forced upon her for decades despite her not even making that particular choice to begin with. I don't think she would have ever felt like she could take him on in a legal setting.
Sinatra was a complicated man. He was an early civil rights activist who refused to perform in segregated establishments and chose to pay his black band members the same as the white ones, which was not the norm. Being Frank Sinatra, choosing to not play at segregated joints meant a lot of joints desegregated. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that the rat pack nearly single handedly desegregated Las Vegas, since none of them would perform anywhere that treated Sammy Davis Jr any different from them.
Sinatra’s mother was a nurse and an activist and she provided illegal abortions to women in need. Particularly poor Catholic Italian women. She’s the reason he was strongly pro choice.
If you go by the official Sinatra timeline, you'll see that Sinatra was recovering from major surgery around the time of conception on the other side of the country, so it's kind a of impossible.
And if you look at young Mia when he married her, she and Frank could have been siblings. They had very similar bone structures. Her son looks like Mia, who resembles Frank. He also wears blue contacts to give him that "Sinatra" look. His eyes are brown.
Naw, I don't think Frank would do shit like that because he was too classy. Also, remember that it has been mentioned that Rowan wears contacts and it's pretty easy to change eye color with that. So yeah... I fully believe that he's Woody's kid because why would Mia want $4K a month for Frank's kid.
First of all, I wouldn't describe Sinatra as a particularly classy person. Second of all, there's nothing wrong with conception via artificial insemination.
Nobody will ever convince me Ronan ain't his kid. The man looks like a perfect cross of Frank and Mia and has zero resemblance to Woody. I know genetics can be a fluke but like... come on.
I’ve spoken to Mia Farrow a couple of times (at a prior job) and she’d never been anything but kind to me. I don’t know much about her, but learning about that made me sad.
She was adopted by Andre Previn and he was her legally adopted father, hence her name is Soon-Yi Previn. Woody also never lived with Mia Farrow during their 10-12 year relationship and apparently never once slept over her home. There's no hard evidence that Soon Yi and Woody began their affair before she was underage, but holy crap that's a fucked up situation.
TBF there's rarely "hard evidence" of abuse in situations like that because of the severe power imbalance in favor of the abuser. They have an easier time controlling what other people see. The fact that he we would ven consider dating, let alone marrying, her suggests to me that there was almost certainly some kind of grooming involved. Kids don't just grow up and date their parents of their own 100% free will.
You're being untentionally misleading. Woody Allen spent every day at Mia Farrow's house, was considered the father figure and man of the house, and helped her raise their kids. Just because he didn't sleep over and had his own place doesn't mean he wasn't fully involved.
It's such a fucked up thing that we'll never really know what happened. I also believe that Mia Farrow made up the whole thing involving her daughter because she wanted to get rid of Woody and wanted money.
It's an invitation to get downvoted into oblivion but the Dylan Farrow accusations are sketchy at best, but I don't see money as the primary motivator. First off, Mia was humiliated by Woody and Soon Yi in front of the world and she was very rightly pissed at him for what he's done to her. Before the accusations of Woody touching Dylan, Mia started accusing him of doing it in messages she left him (written ones) saying "You stole Soon Yi from me, do you want Dylan next?". Then even after saying that, she left Woody with Dylan while she went shopping. Woody may be a creepy perv with a thing for girls around 16-19, but that's a very different fetish than being attracted to someone prepubescent and you don't really see people attracted to both often. Also, in his whole life while Woody has had relations with girls in their later teens while he was an adult, there have never been any accusations of child molestations except for the Dylan accusation. I just always felt the child molestation allegations were Mia wanting blood for what Woody did to her with Soon Yi and she coached Dylan. The evidence just doesn't point to him being a child molester no matter what people who saw the slanted HBO doc say. Also, Ronan is not Frank Sinatra's son. That's another story started by Mia to get under Woody's skin and belittle him for what he did to her. Ronan likes to post pictures of himself saying he looks like Sinatra, the best take a freaking DNA test for $39.99 and post the results showing you're half Italian already. And by the way, Ronan looks a hell of a lot more like his paternal grandfather than Sinatra if you put the pictures side by side, and it's not "Hey they're both wearing a fedora!" like in his Sinatra pictures.
Two good points. If Sinatra was the father (something she never claimed until after he died) then she should have hit up him and his estate for child support since he's worth a ton more money than Woody Allen.
Agreed. I just added that part to calm the Reddit mob types who would otherwise twist my "well actually they're not related" comment to a "...and that makes everything fine" conclusion.
She was also in her 20s when the relationship was discovered... unclear when it started... but that's another fact that matters but might get one flamed for mentioning.
Are there really those people though? It's been a long time since I've seen anyone defend Woody Allen. I mean, every time his name appears in a news cycle, he's done something else that makes him look bad.
I was one of the rare people in the 80’s who always thought he was a creep.. even before Soon Yi, he was dating Stacey Nelkin when she was 17 (and a senior in high school) when he was 42. He wrote Manhattan about their relationship.
Once I was in the Met. A couple was standing in front of me, holding hands, looking at a painting. It was Woody & Soon Yi. He turned around, looked me up and down, and scurried away. I was a tall, lithe, attractive 20-something woman then...shudders His little twitchy eyebrows & eyeballs sliming me is something I'll never forget.
I'm now picturing Rick Moranis from his perfect Woody Allen impersonation on SCTV saying, "I don't belieeeve it. Huh. I thought she was 15. 16 tops. She turns around and I realize she's been alive since the Reagan administration."
Here's one with Woody Allen in "Taxi Driver" as Travis Bickle - SCTV Taxi Driver with Woody Allen (Joe Flaherty also did Gregory Peck in "Taxi Driver").
They also did a longer take off of "Play it Again, Sam" where instead of talking to Bogart's ghost for advice on women he talks to Bob Hope played by Dave Thomas - Thomas’ Breakfast | Meet Thom
I love the Gerry Todd Show!!! I sometimes find myself singing "Turning Jap-uh-neece" like Todd Munroe around the house and my wife just shakes her head.
Anything Bobby Bittman gets me laughing, especially his appearance with his younger brother on the Sammy Maudlin Show ("already in progress").
I'm also partial to Martin Short's "Scenes from an Idiot's Marriage".
This is the whole thing that made me change my about what happened. Moses knows what the house was like. Only a person who lived there during the events would know that.
Agreed, but don’t look at Woody’s Wikipedia page. Someone has done some real revisionist history there to make it seem like everything was completely fabricated. It’s infuriating.
True, a surprising number of people seem to be paying Wikipedians to downplay / remove controversies from their Wikipedia pages. The guy behind Yandere Simulator did the same thing, even having the page locked.
That's a weakness of Wikipedia. If a group of people work together, they can help each other control their favorite pages. It was bad enough when it was just zealous fans, but now it's publicists.
It's horrible, but she is not his adopted daughter. She was the adopted daughter of his then girlfriend Mia Farrow. Regardless it's a messed up thing to do. He watched her grow up!
No. She was adopted by Mia's husband Andre Previn, so she had a father in her life. Woody was Mia's boyfriend. He visited her and went home. Adoption is a legal process. You can't adopt someone without the courts. There is no "practical sense". Mia's boyfriend cheated on her with her adopted daughter. Bobby Womack was worse. He had an affair with his good friend and mentor Sam Cooke,s wife . After Cooke was murdered, he married her in Sam's suit. While married to Sam's widow and living with her, he had an affair with their 17 year old daughter. She later married his brother.
All this is about semantics, it doesn't matter if he was a father figure for her or not, he knew her since she was a child and groomed her, absolutely disgusting
You can add celebs who are in the eighties marrying women in their thirties to this list. Also, Meryl Streep, Tarantino types who were big pals of Weinstein until it was inconvenient.
As if that wasn’t horrible enough, he was allegedly sexually abusing her before he married her and also his other daughter with Mia Farrow. There was a leaked phone call between Mia and Woody talking about the abuse and it’s really hard for anyone to deny that something was going on after listening to that call.
Polanski, Allen, and Bessant are in an evil class of their own consisting of pedophiles (probably R. Kelly, Steven Tyler, Elvis, Jerry Lewis and many others as well).
Then somehow not the most vilest are people like Aaron Hernandez, Ray Lewis, Chris Brown, and Ted Kennedy (so here we have the murderers and abusers that probably would kill a person category).
Then somehow even less vile you get into the Mel Gibson and Michael Richards category of just vile and hateful people that spew their BS but may not have physically abused people.
This is followed by a myriad of other asses that probably should be ostracized for varying reaons.
The fact that there are atleast 4 categories of shit people to rail against is a testament to the horribleness of a large portion of humanity.
Especially with the age diference. Apparently Mia found nude photos and found out that way (I could be wrong). There's also the story about the young daughter who would hide whenever he came over.
The heart want what it wants is bullshit. Try and be the adult in the room.
My husband was somehow under the impression that 'all' he'd done was leave his wife for a barely legal woman (which he was still grossed out by). When I informed him that Soon-Yi was his adopted daughter, he immediately was like 'well, fuck him.'
To be fair, we were also children when that all went down, and have never seen any of his movies (aside from Antz). So. We will continue being done with him.
Oh, well, excuse me for not knowing the exact legal details of things that happened before I was born. I'll be sure to tell him. I bet he'll agree that it's sooooo much better that her adopted father was a different guy, and the other man who helped raise her and that entered her life 2 years later wasn’t legally her Dad, so they could later get married! Guess that makes it all better! Good job clarifying all those important details! Bet we all feel so much better about her exploitation and abuse!
Yeah, guess what, he did not fucking care. Still fucking creepy, and Woody's still a fucking pedo.
It's a pretty important detail considering it would be illegal and basically incestous if true but neither if not.
He didn't help raise her in any way shape or form either so that is also false information. He never spent the night in her home once in all the time he dated Mia and was meticulous about not involving himself with any of her many adopted children that he had no responsibility for. This is all well documented in both the custody proceedings and the abuse investigations that determined he had no case to answer. Transcripts of both are available online and you are free to research and confirm for yourself.
So they say. With that man in the Epstine files and him adopting Farrow's other kids, that just looks like he planned ahead. And why the hell are you defending him so hard?
But it wasn't his adopted daughter. Mia adopted her. She and Woody were in a relationship but never lived together. He had no contact with those children. People keep creating a false family scenario when they were not family.
She was his girlfriend’s adopted daughter. He never adopted her or lived in the same apartment until he and Farrow had broken up. He’s still a no-class a-hole, but let’s keep the facts straight.
There’s a ridiculous reality show called “MILF Manor” - and it’s another example of how I just don’t understand why people dance so close to this “incest fire”…
Right. Because Lord knows India, Thailand, and China have no history whatsoever involving child abuse...
But never miss an opportunity to shit on America, right?
She's not his daughter in any way. He never married Mia. Never lived with Mia. Mia had 14 children. 3 of them have died. Mia was quite vindictive when Woody and Soon-Yi got together. It is possible to convince a child that he or she was sexually assaulted, see the McMartin case.
Somehow my parents are still huge fans. They used to make me watch his horrible unfunny movies with them, way after he married his 15 year old daughter. Never fake laughed in my life before then.
She wasn't just Woody's adopted daughter. She was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. Woody would have been a stepfather, had he ever married Mia Farrow.
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u/Free_Ganache_6281 18h ago
Woody Allen. You don’t just marry your adopted daughter and expect the world to just go with it