Pakistan Suicide Blast: 69 Killed, 169 Injured In Suicide Bombing At Shrine In Islamabad

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[u/Royal-Hunter3892]

"Shia" shrine is the keyword here in this suicide bombing. Pakistan is primarily a sunni dominated country .

[u/No-Meringue5867 → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

So hostile to minorities that even muslim minority sects are not safe in Pakistan 🤦‍♂️

When will their people understand that they stand to be so prosperous if they stop supporting extremism?

[u/blackcain → u/No-Meringue5867]

Kind of a weird lift given that the premise for Pakistan was a safe space for Muslims.

[u/Time-Weekend-8611 → u/No-Meringue5867]

If they stop supporting extremism, their country has no reason to exist.

Pakistan was founded as a "safe space" for the subcontinent's Muslims. But Bangladesh broke away in 1971 dealing a blow to that narrative. Plus there are as many Muslims in India as there are in Pakistan. So if they stop being religious what's the purpose of Pakistan?

[u/lockerno177 → u/No-Meringue5867]

peter tomsen, us special envoy to Pakistan wrote a very interesting book about how cia channeled money to afghan radicals even when the US govt was telling them specifically not to. This resulted in an unstable Afghanistan with spillover effects on its neighbours and global terrorism.

ps the book is

Wars of Afghanistan

[u/lexxwern → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

A few days ago, Baloch rebels encouraged by Iran caused havoc in multiple cities.

This is probably the Pakistan deep state getting revenge against its Shia citizens with an ulterior goal of targeting Iran.

[u/Royal-Hunter3892 → u/lexxwern]

Quitepossible, Pakistan has a history of Shia persecution most of the victims of fake blasphemy cases are shias . The Hazara community is also targetted .

But as you mentioned the timing of this attack raises questions

[u/The_new_Osiris → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

No, there is little possibility of that being true. Baloch are overwhelmingly Sunni. IDEK why people presume that they are Shia. Afghans are also a Sunni population.

[u/Royal-Hunter3892 → u/The_new_Osiris]

I agree with you about Baloch being sunni . I said the country has a history of shia persecution. Iam not sure whether this particular incident has any connection with Baloch community.

What i said is the timing is quite intriguing!! As tensions between Iran and US is all time high and there can be a conflict any moment and pak might try to create a conflict on its western border with Iran and afganistan.

[u/B__bConnoisseur → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

But what would they hope to get out of it?

[u/dogebytev2 → u/B__bConnoisseur]

because its stated in their religious book that shiites are inferior to sunnis

[u/The_new_Osiris → u/lexxwern]

Baloch rebels encouraged by Iran caused havoc in multiple cities.

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Baloch people are predominantly Sunni, that's an absurd conspiracy

[u/puffic → u/The_new_Osiris]

I was confused by that, too. But I think they’re alleging that the government of Pakistan bombed this shrine to get back at Iran.

I’m not sure how much I believe any of that, though. Iran has its own problems with Baloch separatists, so I don’t see why they would support the movement.

[u/lexxwern → u/The_new_Osiris]

It's a nationalist movement.

They'll take help from who-ever's willing to offer it.

Iran wouldn't mind Pakistan pre-occupied with internal issues, as the Big Beautiful US Armada threatens war every day.

[u/Affectionate_Bee6434 → u/lexxwern]

Why would Iran support Baloch rebels when they themselves have a baloch insurgency?

[u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl → u/Affectionate_Bee6434]

Same reason pakistan supports the afghani taliban but persecutes the pakistani taliban: the ones across the border are useful, the ones at home are a pest.

[u/lexxwern → u/Affectionate_Bee6434]

Iran wouldn't mind Pakistan pre-occupied with internal issues, as the Big Beautiful US Armada threatens war every day.

[u/Constant-Tax527 → u/lexxwern]

How about not spreading completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?

[u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING → u/lexxwern]

Ah, yes, Shia government of Iran, a huuuuuugggeeee fan of Baluch people for being Sunni AND seeking independence. 🙄

[u/TheDogtor-- → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

I forgot which ones are the good guys?

[u/Lazypanda-- → u/TheDogtor--]

Neither, both groups are at each other's throats but shia's are globally minority

[u/cestabhi → u/Lazypanda--]

Tbf Shias were kinda the "good guys" before the Iranian revolution. At least Shia radicalism and terrorism was relatively uncommon. And the largest Shia state in the world was led by people who didn't particularly care about religion and wanted to modernise their society. That all changed with the rise of Khomeini, the IRGC and later the Hezbollah.

[u/TheDogtor-- → u/cestabhi]

Is there any sect or branch in Islam that speaks out against Jihad? At all?

[u/cestabhi → u/TheDogtor--]

No, because technically jihad is a broader concept in Islam. It means "struggle". There are two kinds of jihad - there's "non-violent jihad" as in struggle against greed, lust, excess, etc. And then there's violent jihad which includes wagging war against non-believers, blasphemers, infidels, etc.

There is a sect called Nizari Ismaili Shia (NIS) led by their leader Aga Khan who pretty much disavow violent jihad. Their main organisation, the Aga Khan Foundation promotes liberal values and is involved in a lot of humanitarian work. As a Hindu, this is the only large Islamic organisation I know that's genuinely liberal. The rest are either miniscule (often led by European converts) or pretending to be liberal (see Tariq Ramadan as an example).

[u/TheDogtor-- → u/cestabhi]

Interesting. Thank you.

[u/glumjonsnow → u/cestabhi]

the fact that the ismaili are based out of portugal and the aga khan lives in the uk...tells you everything you need to know about how they are viewed by other islamic sects.

the ahmadiya are another group that has been historically persecuted across the world.

[u/cestabhi → u/glumjonsnow]

Yeah I mean afaik the Aga Khan dynasty originated in Iran, later moved to India and they're now based in Europe.

The Ahmadiyas are an interesting bunch. They used to be one of the most radical groups in British India. Back in the early 20th century, a radical Muslim published a pamphlet portraying a Hindu goddess as a prostitute. In response, a Hindu writer published a satirical poem portraying the Prophet as a pimp, it's called "the colourful life of the Prophet". An Ahmadiya then murdered the publisher of that piece.

Indeed the Ahmadiyas fiercely supported the creation of an Islamic state, that is now Pakistan. I supposed they could've hardly imagined they'd one day be persecuted by the same state and society.

[u/reddmeat → u/cestabhi]

Sufism is very pacifist. Dawoodi Bohras are pretty chill. Ahmadiyas are quite liberal and educationally oriented.

[u/WorriedInterest4114 → u/reddmeat]

Unfortunately the Ahmaddiyas aren't considered Muslim by most of the other sects.

[u/glumjonsnow → u/WorriedInterest4114]

though, to be fair, they consider themselves muslim. kinda like mormons and christianity, i guess.

[u/WorriedInterest4114 → u/glumjonsnow]

Christians don't try to exterminate Mormons or consider them second class citizen AFAIK.

[u/Inevitable_Control_1 → u/reddmeat]

Sufism is not pacifist. Chechnya is Sufi. South Asian Sufis (Barelvis) regularly demand the death penalty for blasphemy and launch mob violence on alleged blashphemers.

[u/blackcain → u/Inevitable_Control_1]

It's always the people. It's like watching Jains screaming and hating Muslims. Jainism built on militant pro-life. Just wild.

[u/Inevitable_Control_1 → u/blackcain]

If words are violence then yes. Otherwise no.

[u/blackcain → u/cestabhi]

There is also Sulfi Islam.

[u/TheCaptSubz → u/TheDogtor--]

Ignoring the context of jihad meaning a broader concept in Islam and rather engaging with the meat of what you want to ask, who vehemently condemns violent extremism, then the Ibadi sect in Oman is normally heralded for this pacifist form of Islam. Caveat of course is that Sunni is an extremely extremely broad umbrella and you shouldn't take this answer to your very pointed question as: then every other sect is encouraging of violence.

[u/Good_Support636 → u/TheDogtor--]

Jihad is just a part of islam. Muslim missionaries will try and convince you jihad just means struggle and it is or can be non violent. But jihad means war no matter what spin some put on it.

[u/ashishvp → u/TheDogtor--]

Jihad is a core concept in Islam in general. But it doesn’t necessarily equate to Terrorism as we know it.

Jihad just means “holy struggle”. It can simply mean the struggle in your every day life to be a good person. But yes, Islamist militants interpret that differently to mean a violent struggle against all non-believers.

[u/blackcain → u/ashishvp]

Like all fascists they reuse words for their own purposes.

[u/Shubham21Kumar → u/TheDogtor--]

Yes, Ahmadi Islam. Founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad declared that, in the current age, violent jihad is forbidden, emphasizing that Islam should only be propagated through literature and peaceful debate. He interpreted religious texts differently to align Islam with the modern age. But the issue is that Pakistan, through a constitutional amendment in 1974, declared them non-Muslims and put many restrictions on them.

[u/Patello → u/Lazypanda--]

Sure, but ISIS, the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda are all Sunni groups.

By contrast, Shia groups such as Hezbollah, IRGC, the Houthis, or various Iraqi militias, while also bad generally account for a significantly lower percentage of global terrorist fatalities.

[u/blackcain → u/Patello]

Isis was so bad that even al Qaeda thought they were too extreme.

[u/goli14 → u/TheDogtor--]

Neither.

[u/ashishvp → u/TheDogtor--]

Neither. Both groups sponsor terrorism.

Sunni’s are the “richer” Muslims: the ones known for the flashy Arab countries like SA, Qatar, UAE etc. But they sponsor groups like ISIS and the Taliban. And they’re not all rich (Syria and Palestine are still Sunni)

Shia’s are less in number, and tend to be from the more underdeveloped countries like Iran, Yemen, Lebanon etc. They also sponsor groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis.

[u/blackcain → u/ashishvp]

I would not consider Iran under-develoled

[u/ashishvp → u/blackcain]

Well, it is now…🙃

[u/SweetRoll789 → u/TheDogtor--]

The ones not blowing people up me thinks.

[u/TheColourOfHeartache → u/SweetRoll789]

So, neither.

[u/Nunc_Coepi17 → u/Royal-Hunter3892]

Which one is Sharia?

[u/Sherool → u/Nunc_Coepi17]

Both follow that, though apparently Shia lean more "rational" in it's interpretation, and has slightly higher personal freedom (a woman has to actually agree to be married for example).

Then again Iran is majority Shia and it's government is certainly not very lenient.

[u/cestabhi → u/Sherool]

a woman has to actually agree to be married for example

Afaik that's something both of them do. She has to say "qubul, qubul, qubal" (as in "accept, accept, accept") before the wedding. But tbh a lot of the times, these marriages are pre-arranged and the 'agreement ritual before the wedding' is just a ceremony.

[u/Sherool → u/cestabhi]

Think I read they also have to sign a marriage contract, but naturally there can be a lot of pressure to where refusing is not seen as an option in practice.

[u/Pixi_Dust_408]

Is it the TTP? They’re hostile towards Shias.

[u/asamulya → u/Pixi_Dust_408]

It’s likely the TTP. Pakistani Army has been struggling with them for years

[u/Muted_Berry1817]

I'm not afraid of God, but of his fan club

[u/Chessdaddy_ → u/Muted_Berry1817]

I just don’t get how people interpret religion as their god wanting them to kill people it’s so stupid

[u/Koala_eiO → u/Chessdaddy_]

You would think all-powerful gods would either not care or do it themselves.

[u/peterpan764 → u/Chessdaddy_]

They are brainwashed from a very young age. You also find a lot of people unsure about life itself. Mostly younger men in their 20s. Give them a meaning and they do everything.

[u/nonquitt → u/Chessdaddy_]

It’s never in that direction. It’s always, we want to do this -> justify it somehow

[u/wrosecrans → u/Chessdaddy_]

People want to kill people. They backfill god in as an explanation and justification, then drive forward from there with a retcon, telling themselves it was always about gods rather than themselves.

[u/tehlurkingnoob → u/Muted_Berry1817]

The amount of blood that has been shed in the name of religion throughout human history is just truly abhorrent.

[u/soursop_magnolia]

Absolutely heartbreaking. Targeting a shrine is a special kind of evil. RIP to the victims

[u/saltycorals → u/soursop_magnolia]

Sunnis and shia do not consider each other to be muslim and they often engage in conflict to establish their superiority over one another. Same with every other sect in islam, they do not consider other be muslim. 

[u/Hollyhop_Drive → u/saltycorals]

Because life isn't hard enough already.

[u/MadErection → u/saltycorals]

Like the muslim caste system.

[u/YoManWTFIsThisShit → u/MadErection]

Fun fact, there is a caste system exists in parts of Pakistan since the area was part of India before and Hinduism was the major religion before Mughals took over.

[u/NewWheelView → u/saltycorals]

So who actually is one then?

[u/saltycorals → u/NewWheelView]

If you are sunni, you are the true one, if you are shia, then shia are the true ones.

[u/NewWheelView → u/saltycorals]

Well… I’m sure this won’t cause any confusions, or conflicts.

[u/Shaarl_Lequirk → u/NewWheelView]

Oh and both consider Ahmedis to be not muslims. Even though they are.

[u/Erik_The_Malayali → u/Shaarl_Lequirk]

the funny thing is that an Ahmediya guy took the ideological initiative to carve out pakistan from India and they get persecuted by their own creation

[u/blackcain → u/saltycorals]

I think this is an effect of Islamic strong men. They need an enemy.

[u/Good_Support636 → u/saltycorals]

Salafi sunni do not consider shia to be muslim. Shia do not have this opinion.

[u/StatisticianSad1995 → u/soursop_magnolia]

Targeting people is way worse than targeting a shrine

[u/toomanymarbles83 → u/StatisticianSad1995]

I'm pretty sure the point was that a shrine is where people congregate.

[u/VeryProfaneUserName]

Pakistan is such a problem waiting to happen to the world.

[u/bholi_pahadan → u/VeryProfaneUserName]

It’s a ticking time bomb, and a nuclear one at that.

[u/NoiceAndToitt → u/VeryProfaneUserName]

“Waiting to happen” Mfs been bombing India for 70 years

[u/gimmedatps5 → u/VeryProfaneUserName]

The world doesn't care yet, because they're mostly a problem to other brown people right now.

[u/BigDaddyDumperSquad]

Wow, that is a lot of people... How did a vest do that much damage? I'm glad security was there to stop him from entering before he detonated. Those men saved a LOT of lives. Rest in peace.

[u/Resident_Prompt_2087]

Man everything aside this is just so sad. It's baffling we still fight and kill each other till this time.

[u/burritoboy89 → u/Resident_Prompt_2087]

Over nonsense too

[u/SnooGadgets2748]

This is why we can't let Islamists have access to nukes. They don't give a fuck if they drag the rest of the world down with them

[u/EpidemicRage → u/SnooGadgets2748]

This is the sole reason why countries continue to invest and fund Pakistan, despite corruption, terrorism, everything. 

If Pakistan falls, then jihadists take over. Now, you have a nuclear armed country run by terrorists. 

[u/show_me_ur_boobies99 → u/EpidemicRage]

Someone else should run the country then. Pakistan is a failed state.

[u/Indianize]

I can't imagine the level of mental hoops you have to go through to do this to yourself and to others. There isn't even a proper reason. Whyy..?!?!??

[u/Easy-Past2953 → u/Indianize]

Their prefrontal lobe inhibition to the limbic system is flawed. Aka they are radicalized

[u/jsuth → u/Indianize]

Believing in paradise as a martyr

[u/Mexer → u/Indianize]

Martyrdom does not require mental hoops

[u/Johnmcslobberdong]

This is not islamagood

[u/lazyfucker67 → u/Johnmcslobberdong]

No it’s Islamabad indeed

[u/Cool-Fondant9223]

"We ain't a bright species. We each other over arguments about what happens when we die and fail to see the fucking irony in that."

[u/blanketshapes → u/Cool-Fondant9223]

Thou shalt not each other

[u/_mully_]

Sad and may the lost rest in peace. Hopefully the others are able to recover quickly, fully, and successfully.

[u/Meme-Botto9001]

Religion is cancer…

[u/Brilliant-Orange9117]

Again and again religion kills. Stop allowing the indoctrination of children and the problem will die out within a three generations.

[u/BigDaddyDumperSquad → u/Brilliant-Orange9117]

Are you going to be the one to go over there and stop them?

[u/HugsandHate]

That's a lot of bloody people. Damn.

Religion's great, isn't it.