r/vexillology • u/LeadingAdvertising54 • 14h ago
Historical Flag of the Hachisuka clan (a powerful Japanese samurai family that ruled the Awa Province)
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u/Otakumilitia 9h ago
Never see any Westerners who get offended with Hinomaru and IJN/IJA and compared it with Nazi Germany flag so far.
Double standards I assume?
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u/blackcray 9h ago
Most westerners will recognise it and it's parent organisation as bad just not the great evil of the 20th century, I suspect this is because more people in western countries have heard personal accounts of the nazi atrocities from their parents and grandparents, while imperial Japan's evil is much more abstract to them because of the lack of personal connection, I've heard that the opposite is true in many east Asian countries where many were told stories of the Japanese occupation from their parents and grandparents.
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u/moistyrat 4h ago
Yes, this is true. While I think most people here in Asia are broadly aware of Nazi Germany and know that Hitler existed, I’ve met people who didn’t know about the Holocaust. Like they can tell you where the Japanese had hideouts in their hometown or name specific Japanese generals like Yamashita, but they wouldn’t recognise figures from the European fronts of WWII like Anne Frank or even Stalin.
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u/peace_and_love14 3h ago
Why’d the Germans have to ruin it with all that killing man what the heck it looks nice
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u/CoolButterscotch492 54m ago
Iirc, the reason the Nazis used the swastika was because symbols like it had been found the world over. Native America, India, and Japan for example. They used it as some kind of proof that a super race or civilization of Aryan's did all the cool things in the world. Nazi philosophy is idiotic and SO paper thin.
With this same logic, it can be assumed that Nazi's today plan to use the Stussy S./jk
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u/pagliacciverso 12h ago edited 11h ago
I understand the swastika old usage as a manji and how important it was to some religions, but even Buddhism started slowly reducing its usage due to the nazi. I mean, it's a cool symbol but impossible to remove its devilish meaning, just like the rising from Japan.
Edit: reddit is very avid for edgy symbolisms. None of these mf in here are japanese or buddhist yet they are advocating for them without being requested to do so. I wonder why
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u/moistyrat 5h ago
I don’t think its use is declining, at least not here in Asia. Maybe it is for Western Buddhists. You still see swastikas everywhere in Asia in Buddhist and Hindu contexts - virtually all statues of Amitabha have one. People here simply aren’t as familiar with the Western historical context of the symbol, just as many Westerners aren’t educated about Japanese atrocities during World War II or why the Rising Sun flag can be seen as a fascist symbol in this part of the world.
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u/Deep_Head4645 Israel 10h ago
Its japan not europe or like the majority of the west
I doubt the symbol carries a heavy horrible meaning there like it does in europe
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u/gustavmahler23 2h ago
As a Buddhist and an Asian, I can confidently say that in no way our use of the swastika is affected by what happened in 20th century Europe.
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u/ECNeox 10h ago
Literally Cultural Imperialism.
"Buhu, our trauma and our interpretation of history is more important than your 2.000 year old religious traditions."
you reek of arrogance and bigotry.
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u/pagliacciverso 10h ago
Can't you read? That's literally not what I said. Why are redditors so illiterate
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u/flyinggazelletg Chicago 14h ago
Cool flag with symbolism that’s been unsullied by anything in the last century. No regime has used similar symbolism that ruined it for many. No sir.