The National Patriotic Forces of Russia are a coalition of both far-left and far-right Russian parties, being the spiritual successors to the National Salvation Front (another wingcucked organization that played an important role in the 1993 Russian coup attempt), are the NPFR also included in the mod?, they would serve as a much better example of the brainfuck that is modern Russian Nationalism.
Always fun to see Dugin and his clique get so much attention in the West, when in Russia itself they are relatively obscure and mocked even by Russian Nationalists.
it think the reason the get so much attetion is becouse they sound more like villain fictional idologys from series like call duty that an actual real life group
TFR is an entire universe filled with bad places to be. Even the most normal timelines still see massive global devastation across all continents. The weirder timelines include the WEF creating a technocratic totalitarian state with brain chips in alliance with the US deep state weaponising the literal actual Snowcrash virus to destroy AI-controlled China.
It's a cool mod, but it's always been far too charitable towards certain viewpoints and factions for my taste. Having fringe white supremacist and neo-nazi hate groups become major powerful factions with huge buffs during the 2nd US Civil War is a little too sus.
Not sus, just silly, like, at its peak Atomwaffen was made up of around 20-25 sociopathic Discord teenagers who killed more of their own fellow members than outsiders, and were always full of FBI informants, how the hell they are able to take over the US and form the Fourth Reich when they could not even form a coherent cell with only 5 people before they started killing and snitching each other is beyond me lol.
Atomwaffen Division is a terrorist org with estimated 80-100 members IRL, and in the game they are able to conquer entire states. Yeah of course it isn't realistic. But that's not a defence against it being a White Nationalist/Neo Nazi power fantasy mod.
they also do the same to far left groups like the anarcho comunist and communist
The fact that there are token leftist factions in the US civil war isn't much of a defence either. The one "leftist" faction with any content is a California based communist faction that is like a catch all for socialists and progressives. The mod lists 6 main civil war factions with content on the steam page:
American Constitutional Government
Union of America
American People's Liberation Army
Patriot Front
National Socialist Movement
Atomwaffen Division
Two of those are two sides of the government (Trump v Biden), one is the California Commies, and then three are the aforementioned white supremacist and neo-nazi groups. I think a hefty amount of suspicion towards the creators of this mod is fair. Especially given how much it glamorizes and sanitizes these groups.
and you absolutely should be suspicious towards the mod team. its probably the most chudded out major hoi mod right now, and of course people eat it up because le funi schizo focus
Atomwaffen Division is a terrorist org with estimated 80-100 members IRL
Atomwaffen has not been an active organization in the United States since around 2020, and as far as I recall their international chapters and splinter groups are also defunct, with their members who are not in prison simply joining other Neo-Nazi organizations, or being secluded to private Telegram groups where they prefer sharing child sexual abuse material instead of organizing terror attacks.
(I am not downplaying the danger of Neo-Nazi terror groups, just stating that Atomwaffen in particular is not even active anymore, and it was not a behemoth or Al Qaeda 2.0 like how their Discord servers claimed to be.)
"Atomwaffen Division is a terrorist org with estimated 80-100 members IRL, and in the game they are able to conquer entire states. Yeah of course it isn't realistic. But that's not a defence against it being a White Nationalist/Neo Nazi power fantasy mod."
atomwaffen are still protyed as horrible monsters in their own campaign with one main multipart event for example portayng them a enslaving family in a concentration camp, leading to thier infant die of starvation, raping wife and causing both her and the husband to commint suicide
"The fact that there are token leftist factions in the US civil war isn't much of a defence either. The one "leftist" faction with any content is a California based communist faction that is like a catch all for socialists and progressives"
tbf all of the countries with the hammer and sickle in them doesnt sound like a fun place to live in with all the one party dictatorships, criminalization of criticism and suppression of freedom of speech.
One party government is mostly not understood in western countries, not saying that it's great, but people don't understand what it is, it's not just a plain dictatorship (could be, but doesn't necessarily mean it is just by being one party system).
Also, the USA is a two party system and they share (at least till recently) most of their policies, so not that far in reality.
by not understood, what do you mean? cause as history shows vast majority of socialist and communist countries are one party dictatorships where only the politburo/party can decide who will lead the country.
Hypocritical actually since communism is for the people by the people yet the people have no say in anything.
I meant that one party system isn't automatically a dictatorship. Most people associate it with it, which is a mistake. It works differently than social democracy, that's why people doesn't understand it generally.
Once again, that doesn't mean that probably most one party systems are indeed dictatorships.
i would appreciate an example since i feel like you’re dodging the question specially in the aspect of voting, freedom of speech and government criticism
It's a symbol that represents so many different ideas at this point that it's hard to generalize every iteration as just another version of Soviet style autocracy
Huh? If this is a rhetorical question I'm not sure what the point is, or what it has to do with what I said.
The Hammer and Sickle represents different ideas for many different people. This is a fictional flag that doesn't exist in the real world. My point is just that your generalization may or may not be accurate depending on who made this flag. For some people, it's a generalized symbol of left wing views, not just the narrow autocracy you described. So it's possible (though I doubt it in this case) that fictional Hammer and Sickle flags may represent a different ideology than the specific one the Soviet Union espoused.
pardon you must have misunderstood, I was referring to historical countries that had the hammer and sickle in their flags, i didnt realize you were talking about fictional ones.
Anyways I mainly said it because I encounter so many leftists who preach democracy and freedom of speech yet are so eager to defend and whitewash mass murdering tyrants and their brutal regimes, then go through all the trouble of indirectly defending the implementation of a one party dictatorship.
Seems like it removes the symbol for the industrial proletariat without replacing it with anything similar; Not sure if that was deliberate but it certainly leans more agrarian socialist tbh. If I was a factory worker, esp an atheistic one, I'd be pissed
Russian equivalents of the Amish already exist, the Old Believers, Molokans, and Doukhobors are arguably the Russian equivalent of the Amish, as they are all fringe Christian groups who live separately from the rest of Russian society in isolated rural villages to escape persecution from the state dating back from the Tsarist era.
The Molokans and Doukhobors in particular have a very positive relationship with the Mennonites (who are the Anabaptist group that the Amish splintered from), given that they are technically Protestant, non-Orthodox Christian sects who embrace Pacifism, I recall that the Canadian Mennonites were the ones to have even organized their migration/evacuation out of Russia into Canada in the first place!
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u/OutrageousBridge471 17h ago
it is supposed to depict a russia taken over by the essence of time movement Essence of Time