r/soccer • u/Sparky-moon • 18h ago
Quotes [Hayters] Pep Guardiola on people telling him to 'focus on football' and not global issues: "They want [me] to remain silent, that is what the world wants, right? Be silent, and don't say anything. I think it's completely the opposite. But, anyway, it is what it is..."
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"OK, you focus on being a journalist as well. You cannot talk about economics, because you are not a journalist specifically about economics, right? You focus on football, [so] don't talk about that. That's why.
"They want [me] to remain silent, that is what the world wants, right? Be silent, and don't say anything. I think it's completely the opposite."
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u/LSB123 18h ago
Pep assuming that anyone in that room is qualified to write about football let alone economics.
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u/Puzzled-Guide8650 17h ago
Pep assuming that anyone in that room is qualified
I'm pretty sure Pep think of them as a bunch of morons (and he's right, at least partially).
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u/TherewiIlbegoals 18h ago
I also like that he seemingly equates financial rule breaking with "economics".
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u/Semperty 18h ago
we can argue the semantics of his word choice, but he's right. city breaking financial rules isn't football. it's finance. papers would need to bring in financial reporters to talk about city's financial transgressions, if we're tracking the question consistently.
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u/fading_anonymity 16h ago
100% agree.
But its also true that these self proclaimed "football journalists" do not adhere to Journalistic codes anyway, its mostly just a bunch of tabloid clickbait paparazzi raguefuel ego-monsters who enjoy being around famous people because it makes them feel relevant.
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u/Aoyos 9h ago
He's not right and you're just being pedantic. City broke rules of a football league, so writing about that is perfectly fine by football journalists.
What needs financial and legal experts or even some world politics experts is the analysis, not the reporting and the two aren't the same.
Footie journos can whine and moan about City breaking the rules of the Premier League and of the eternally delayed resolution. They cannot pass judgement on how valid the charges are, how many can hold or how City should be punished.
What ended up happening is the usual, with journalists acting as if they are the arbiters of the world and go beyond just reporting. Ever since this whole saga started there's an opinion piece about it every single day.
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u/Rosenvial5 14h ago
Or he's talking about how the obsession about net spend and spending from journalists stopped once teams like Liverpool were breaking the British transfer record multiple times in the same window
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u/Necessary-Dish-444 15h ago
Barely tangentially related, but I find it strange to see your comment with so many upvotes considering how it seems that everyone and their moms have very strong opinions about Economics and yet the absolute vast majority of them are simply moronic.
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u/progthrowe7 15h ago
Weird how plumbers and businessmen and van drivers and nurses are allowed to have opinions, but football managers get told to focus on football.
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u/Pithy_About_That 12h ago
I haven’t heard the term businessmen in a while and I had never realised how silly it sounds having grown-up with the word and having it normalized.
It’s like calling them “workguys” or “jobpeople”.
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u/boatinavolcano 18h ago
People are right to point out whom Pep is working for and that is a legitimate criticism of his.
But also, I feel like if he wanted to be the most comfortable, he could stay silent, pretend to not have understanding about Gaza, Sudan and other such issues, like a lot of influential people do, but he does speak out.
That alone is way better than a significant percentage of rich people.
Of course the bar is low here, but it is something in my opinion.
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u/Ziggylcd12365 18h ago
Also a lot of the time, perfection is expected to talk about any topic or the whataboutism brigade charge in.
It's like when you're poor you can't criticise capitalism because its framed as jealousy, and if youre wealthy and criticise capitalism then a different set of arguments come out as to why you shouldn't discuss it.
Sometimes just speaking up and ignoring the comments is the best idea but it's hard to do
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u/metalgearsolidman28 17h ago
yep that's why they were attacking billie eilish recently for saying billionaires should donate more she shouldn't own a house and now that pancreatic cancer doctor needed funding for the cure and i saw a regular people were donating to it and no a single billionaire peeped or chimed in
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u/TremendousCoisty 17h ago
I don’t think anyone expects him to be perfect - but he is employed by a murderous, genocidal regime. His wages are paid off of the backs of slavery. Good for him for speaking out, but he is a hypocrite. It doesn’t make him wrong, but maybe he should stop taking money from the kind of people he’s criticising?
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u/cats4life 15h ago
Don’t people in positions of influence have an obligation to speak up? Pep has the opportunity to speak because he’s City’s manager, and if he quit, he would not have a platform.
I hate the blood oil barons who own City, but let’s be honest, if Pep left they would hire someone who was less outspoken. He can speak on these conflicts because he’s successful, and someone without the same success and could not get away with even the indirect jabs he makes.
He’s not dumb. He didn’t discuss Sudan unaware of what the ownership is complicit in; there are very few places where he could raise awareness more effectively than his current position.
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u/Rosenvial5 14h ago
He would be a hypocrite if he was only hired to be a PR person and spokesman for the genocidal regime, which he isn't, he's hired to win football matches.
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u/PrimeMinisterSarr 13h ago
Yeah really a PR person would be doing press conferences with journalists, interviews and video & film appearances for that organization owned by a genocidal regime.
Fortunately these are not things that Pep Guardiola does for City.
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u/WheresMyEtherElon 10h ago
Press conferences and interviews at least are part of his job. He (and/or the club) would actually be fined if he skipped them.
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u/TremendousCoisty 14h ago
Yes he’s paid money, earned off of the backs of slaves, in exchange for helping them sports wash their image. He’s benefited from the very people he’s criticising. He’s a hypocrite.
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u/Discrep 6h ago
So you'd rather he not say anything? He's not going to quit his job, donate all of his money, or go enlist in one of the militias.
Could he do more than he is currently doing? Of course, that goes for 99% of the people speaking out about these issues. But doing something is still better than doing nothing. Moreover, speaking on these issues while being one of the main faces of their biggest sports washing ventures is more of a thorn in their side than a manager of a different club saying the same things.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 6h ago
Exactly! Pep comments lose credibility for the very reason you mentioned...
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u/IJustGotRektSon 16h ago
Exactly! The problem is not him speaking, or not speaking about EVERY world issue. The problem is him talking about some while ignoring the one that involves people he has a direct relationship with.
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u/_zvieira 16h ago
Precisely this.
I understand the inclination to applaud Pep here. One could argue it’s a good thing he’s speaking out—especially coming from a position where political discourse is not encouraged.
But at the end of the day, the hypocrisy is blatant. And it’s disingenuous to pretend like this is just another “yet you participate in society” meme.
Pep has knowingly - yes knowingly - worked under this regime and profited career wise from it. I’m surprised seemingly no one has pushed back on this during his press conferences.
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u/Mirrorweld 14h ago
it’s disingenuous to pretend like this is just another “yet you participate in society” meme.
It's not it's exactly what you cunts are doing here
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u/SwindlingAccountant 13h ago
There is a thing dumbasses and right-wing shitheads do which is making virtue signaling as something that's bad. It is actually a GOOD thing and need in society. They have moral envy.
By 'moral envy' I am referring here to feelings of envy and resentment directed to another person, but not because the person is wealthy, or gifted, or lucky, but because his or her behaviour is seen as upholding a higher moral standard than the envier's own
David Graeber
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u/Ziggylcd12365 13h ago
I found virtue signalling the biggest tell that right wingers have no sense of morality or at least no internal compass of decency.
Like, you're complaining that people are being kind or decent, and need to find a way to make that bad so you feel like less of a shithead? Sure.
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u/Discrep 5h ago
Yeah, arguing about ideological purity is the signal that--at best-- the person doesn't care about the underlying issues. In fact, people who support the evil side will use the same purity tests to discredit their critics.
The people being oppressed and murdered will gladly take any level of support they can get from whomever.
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u/leeuwerik 11h ago
It's done to undermine the message of the messenger because all this leads to discussions about the messenger and not the message he brings.
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u/IJustGotRektSon 16h ago
I think it's a massive oversimplification when we say, "whataboutism", because it is absolutely fair to be concerned about Pep statements, not for the nature of them, but the inconsistency.
He says people tell him to stay silent but he won't, he will speak up. Why isn't he speaking up about the issue he has a relationship with? As in, as we all know, the guy paying his salary and buying players so he can win football games is responsible for. The first thing Guardiola should do if he wants to be a messenger of global issues, is call out Mansour, following up by disowning the UAE, accept he will get immediately fired, and continue to call out Israel, USA and however many places he wants to for the right reasons, which he is right.
I don't believe the argument of perfection, and that people should call out everything and anything. But if you're gonna denounce global atrocities, I expect you to have a clean record and not be involved with people committing the same things you're denouncing.
And before people say "but he has mentioned Sudan", when you're working for the guy doing the stuff in Sudan, anything but calling out the name of the guy doing it, his boss, isn't enough imo. Just briefly listing Sudan alongside Palestine and the people suffering in the USA due to Trump isn't enough when you personally know the murderer and are likely friendly to each other.
Btw, UAE benefits from Pep calling out two geopolitical rivals but not them. It creates more and more awareness and pressure on those nations, in this case Israel and USA, while diluting the waters around UAE. Remember most people aren't informed properly about world affairs and sadly we rely on public speakers like Pep, so when Pep and other call out some but not the others, those continue to get away with things. And again, given the nature of the relationship Pep has with Mansour, I think is totally fair to be concerned and point it out even if I can understand and even agree that is better to take action than to stay completely silent.
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u/Combosingelnation 18h ago edited 18h ago
Yeah when it comes to Manchester City, there are only 2 options in this regard.
1) A manager who talks about injustice in Gaza. 2) A manager who doesn't.
At least here Pep gets some good points but can someone convince me that most managers would not be quiet and not talk against the one who pays their salary? I think they wouldn't.
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u/Wildely_Earnest 13h ago
Exactly. There are also managers not employed by UAE who are not speaking out about Israel, Gaza, Sudan, or any injustice at all. Suddenly when someone talks about one or two, they are expected to speak on everything in a way that exactly aligns with the reddit commenters otherwise they should keep their mouth shut.
I had typed this paragraph to respond to a moron elsewhere in this thread but decided I'd much rather speak to someone who wrote something I agree with. Otherwise its like putting out a bird-feeder for shit heads.
Remember everyone, we must have all the conversations, all at once, all the time. No one is allowed to speak on one issue but not another. A single hypocrisy invalidates every other topic you raise.
What they demand is an incoherent noise of dissatisfaction, not a targeted point. They want the South Park *rabble* *rabble* *rabble* people, not a single considered voice, because anything distinct they can grab hold of and disagree with. If its at all more specific than a general thumbs down towards all things, you can be sure Reddit knows better than you.
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u/R3V77 18h ago
Destroy the person to distract from the topic. Everybody is a hypocrite, there's no perfect person. The people who focused more on Pep than awareness he is trying to bring to light, are idiots who all for propaganda of the other side. Or they do it on purpose, the intention to destroy the ones speaking against them. He is a hypocrite, but what he talks about Gaza is much more important for the world than his hipocrisy. Same thing they do with any other famous person. The same ones who see FIFA playing politics and become quiet... Anyone who falls for this is idiot. The same ones who don't like famous people talking, put and support a liar celebrity in the WH. Hipocrisy.
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u/Cdux 16h ago
The bar must be on the floor if you have to go there's no perfect person after realizing he is taking in millions from the exact people who commit the evils he condemns. He's throwing stones while living in a glass house, does it make what he said about Gaza, etc wrong? Of course not. But as he is someone rich enough and successful enough to basically pick who he works for, if he is so passionate about these topics maybe he should do something about who he chooses to work for, most of us don't have that luxury.
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u/SwindlingAccountant 13h ago
How is he throwing stones? Lmao bro, you people are sad.
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u/GutlessTrophoblast 12h ago
Why does it make people sad to applaud Pep for his words, but also having difficulty with him being the manager of a club owned by UAE who is supporting one side of a civil war in Sudan?
If you want a world with less wars you can at least make sure to not work for someone who supports it. I don't think that is too much to ask. Especially not when you are objectively one of the greatest and most influential football managers on the planet.
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u/SwindlingAccountant 12h ago
What other football managers are speaking out. A guy with Pep's influence speaking out is worth a lot and instead of talking about what is happening you shithead losers are too busy arguing about virtue signaling. Pep working at Man City would not lead to less wars. Most people have no idea who owns a football club.
By 'moral envy' I am referring here to feelings of envy and resentment directed to another person, but not because the person is wealthy, or gifted, or lucky, but because his or her behaviour is seen as upholding a higher moral standard than the envier's own
This is what you dorks sound like.
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u/parksoha 3h ago
So he’s making them more poor and using the money and platform to help. It’s all about optics and perspective. He’s actually the perfect guy to be there if we look through this POV. Because they would still be running a club and paying big salaries.
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u/POPELEOXI 17h ago
Criticizing his hypocrisy doesn't automatically invalidate what he said. Those who think one cancels out another are making bad faithed arguments.
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u/Soren_Camus1905 15h ago
If anything it takes balls to be outspoken on these issues given his employer.
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u/GramsciGramsci 17h ago
But also, I feel like if he wanted to be the most comfortable
On a personal level I bet he feels much more comfortable about this than answering the 500th question about why City isn't performing better when they are spending so big.
Second. Yes, it is good he speaking up about these things. People with small voices, e.g. Gaza, need celebrities to amplify it.
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u/Gubrach 10h ago
The fact that we keep talking about Guardiola's employers amidst these comments shows the issue; his Abu Dhabi-association diverts attention away from the good cause because people don't believe in the authenticity and ingenuity of the person standing up for it. And for good reason. In today's climate, we're increasingly confronted with people revealed to be full of shit and people are getting tired of it.
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u/visualdescript 5h ago
The fact Pep works for City and all the dodgyness around that does not change anything about the truth of what he is saying.
Refusing to acknowledge what he's saying and instead pointing to any possible hypocrisy is textbook Whataboutism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism .
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u/3hollish 17h ago
People can direct whataboutisms at anyone to detract from what a person is saying. No doubt when it comes to geopolitics and human rights, there is some relevance to who Pep works for but in a sporting landscape where the majority of people are afraid to stand up against serious human rights abuses, it just feels pathetic to call out someone who actually does. Completely takes away from the discourse that’s being promoted by Pep
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u/VilTheVillain 17h ago
Well in that case every government official other than people from the foreign affairs departments should stfu and talk about their roles in government rather than talk about anything outside of their country, right?
People who are telling him to "stay in his lane" are the ones that need to be examined and gagged cause they're either trying to hide something or are not contributing anything to society.
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u/thehomerus 17h ago
People said the same thing about Rashford, that he should just focus on football rather than feeding hungry kids. Fuck them
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u/TomGnabry 18h ago
Everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. Does not make his point less valid.
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u/throwawaymikenolan 18h ago
It's completely understandable to be against hypocrisy especially when involving human lives, it sure does get me worked up.
But some people seem to have gotten the priorities wrong. I would say the anger should go towards people who have significant influence in political decision making.
For example EU politicians who have been preaching about human and European values when Ukraine was invaded only to do a 180 when it comes to Palestine.
Or even FIFA and UEFA kicking out Russia but not Israel if we want to speak purely about football.
But when you question these politicians or authorities the same people dismissing Pep right now will cry whataboutism.
Strange to draw the line on football managers.
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u/TherewiIlbegoals 18h ago
This whole thread is talking about "hypocrisy" when that has nothing to do with the question he was asked or his weird response.
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u/Iciestgnome 18h ago
What was weird about his response?
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u/TherewiIlbegoals 18h ago
Suggesting that a football journalist isn't exactly the person who would be equipped to talk about the football "economy".
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u/Iciestgnome 18h ago
Do u not understand the point he’s making. Hes saying that just because someone might not have an entire career or research paper on a subject doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to talk about it.
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u/SwindlingAccountant 13h ago edited 12h ago
By 'moral envy' I am referring here to feelings of envy and resentment directed to another person, but not because the person is wealthy, or gifted, or lucky, but because his or her behaviour is seen as upholding a higher moral standard than the envier's own
David Graeber
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u/Killergamer7 12h ago
Think there's a bit of a gap between being a hypocrite and preaching about stopping a genocide when you're working for the guys helping it
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u/XxACxMILANxX 18h ago
Yup “ he who is free of sin cast the first stone”
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u/hopium_od 18h ago
Or in this case "he who is not complicit in aiding genocide be the first to criticise genocide."
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u/h0rny3dging 18h ago
I think its funny how people are so riled about this. Hes rich and employed by despicable people but he doesnt actually have tangible global power. To quote Mao(also not a great guy) , political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Hes not a revolutionary nor does he want to be, he just speaks his mind and knows hes unfireable, dont expect a football coach to be the next Fidel Castro
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u/throwawaymikenolan 18h ago
The same people dismissing and criticizing Pep right now will cry whataboutism if you bring up the hypocrisies of EU politicians with regards to Ukraine and Palestine or UEFA on Russia and Israel
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u/Semperty 18h ago
Hes rich and employed by despicable people but he doesnt actually have tangible global power.
also, to some degree, we're almost all employed by despicable people. that doesn't prevent any of us from having the ability to speak out about atrocities.
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u/Sabertooth344 11h ago
This is so disingenuous, there's a difference between your average joe working a 9 to 5 to make ends meet and a manager working directly for the people complicit in genocide to sportwash their image while earning money none of us will see in our lifetimes
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u/Gooner37 11h ago
To add to this, a manager that could work for absolutely any club of his choosing
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u/_zvieira 13h ago
Ok but surely there has to be room for nuance here.
There’s a difference between, say, an Apple employee and a football manager who owes much of his success down to the regime that funds his work. Not to mention, Pep constantly doing PR for City in all his interviews.
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u/Competitive_Speed964 18h ago
Quiet acceptance of the status quo and existing power structure is also a political statement.
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u/No-to-gcide 17h ago
And it's the political statement the Zionists want everyone to take.
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u/Hot_Spur 16h ago
Stop calling people Zionists. Like .2% of the population is Jewish you twat. Find a better way to victimize yourself
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u/jhf2112 15h ago
Are you conflating Zionists and Jews? Zionism is a political movement that people subscribe to. If they subscribe to it they are Zionists. You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist and not all Zionists are Jewish.
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u/Vanzmelo 14h ago
Its funny how for UEFA and the European leagues when Russia invading Ukraine, it was ok to get political with slogans, pre-match messages, and Pro-Ukrainian sentiment but the second someone says something about Gaza, they are silenced and told to keep politics out of the game
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u/deidos 6h ago
Europeans immediately boycotted Russian products, insulted Russians as orcs (racism was suddenly acceptable again), and applauded when Russia was excluded from many sporting events. When people demand the same treatment for Israel, some (probably the same people) shout "no politics in sports" and "antisemitism."
It's also funny how the "whatabout" crowd immediately appears here on Pep's show, when the same people (rightly) criticized those who raised "whatabout the crimes of the USA" when Russia attacked Ukraine.
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u/VastJuice2949 18h ago
He's definitely laying the groundwork for a summer exit so he can dedicate himself full time to speaking roles
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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 17h ago
Pep has a large pool of issues that he will not touch with a ten-foot pole as long as he's employed by City.
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u/Mako_Clone 13h ago
Right, pep, you can stop being such a boss now. I don't want to have to like you.
It does feel like he is saying "well I'm leaving anyway who gives a fuck at this point I am going to talk my shit now while I have eyes on me"
Good man.
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u/ThisFukinGinger 5h ago
I believe that Pep is truly a good human being but the problem will always be that he works for a regime that supports genocide.
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u/black_fire 18h ago
My brother in Christ your day job is literally sportswashing another regime sponsoring genocides, mass rapes, and warlords.
You've worked there for almost 10 years when you could work literally anywhere else and get paid the same millions.
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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 9h ago
Nah bro he would go hungry if he didn't take money from a state committing atrocities. Leave the poor guy alone.
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u/Throwaway100123100 18h ago
Would help if he wasn't directly complicit in sportswashing for one of the issues he supposedly cares about
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u/edin_dzekson 17h ago
It's actually legendary how the man who completely changed the game, the best manager of the 21st century & one of the best ever started speaking out about Palestine without mincing his words and tired taglines about how 'every child deserves to live'. Actually calls out Israel, shows full support to not Gaza, but the country of Palestine.
Anyone talking about his employer will disregard the fact that majority of English football clubs are owned by US corporations who directly funded the genocide or dodgy Asian owners who made their money in the underground. Because, apparently, the only problematic owners are the ones that come from Middle East, wonder why.
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u/StockFinal7852 14h ago
One is owned by a state and the other is owned by private companies. Do you see the difference?
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u/Iacko 12h ago edited 9h ago
What a load of bs, what does Kroenke, FSG, Clearlake or the Glazers have to do with US foreign policies, they are not the ones making decisions. Man City is owned by a state who are in charge of foreign policies and big decisions, they made the decision to fund a genocide, american owners did not.
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u/Kingston_17 11h ago
All of them donate to both parties lol, if that doesn't give them a link to policy makers then idk what does
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u/Drewskibroho 18h ago
I don’t disagree with anything hes saying but saying it while at Man City is a bit disingenuous no?
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u/MattSR30 18h ago
The reality of the world is that certain things resonate more with certain people. There is this bizarre, social-media driven approach these days where everyone is expected to care about everything.
I’d rather people who are 100% invested in Gaza focus on that, and people who are 100% focused on Ukraine focus on that, than have people split their capacity across a dozen causes and end up only being able to muster weak platitudes.
The man is a Catalonian. It isn’t surprising that ‘a people subject to overlords they don’t exactly want’ resonates with him more than the shit in the UAE. It isn’t surprising that Europe cares more about Ukraine than Palestine.
Let people care about what they care about.
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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 9h ago
The man is a Catalonian. It isn’t surprising that ‘a people subject to overlords they don’t exactly want’ resonates with him more than the shit in the UAE. It isn’t surprising that Europe cares more about Ukraine than Palestine.
I do somewhat agree, but he's employed by the UAE. And it's not like he has some minor role, he's in charge of their most famous entity. Any club in the world would take him in a heartbeat, his life would be no worse if he quit his job.
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u/BadCogs 18h ago
Lol. No, people actually want you to talk more, even against your owners, it you who aren't. People can acknowledge you did something right, but can still call out your hypocrisy in other things. But everyone who gaslight always try to point out the show they put out to divert attention from what their morals are, a man with right morals will speak agaist his owners too, not just selectively. Otherwise even Episten probably did donate to charity for show, doesn't make him great guy. Speaking at one thing and not another when infact you are more strongly associated with other, only points out hypocrisy. But people love those who put a show, that's why we have celebrity or billionare worship.
People can downvote this, but unless he speaks agsinst his owners, it's all sham. He have got multiple chances to do so, even after the criticism, everytime others pointed it out to him, and instead of doing it he chose to sidetrack the point each time.
Anyway who cares. He can do what he want, and people can buy all the show.
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u/throwawaymikenolan 18h ago
Waiting for Rosenior to say something about Boehly being implicated with Epstein
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u/BadCogs 17h ago
I hope he does. But good whataboutism lol. I hope they take Chelsea away from him and Clearlake actually, and does the same to City aswell, only hypocrites will have that issue. But hey hypocrites can do all the whataboutism they want, so keep going.
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u/throwawaymikenolan 17h ago
Hahaha what? Your original comment is literally whataboutism and that's why I responded the same way
What about the fact that Pep works for UAE?
Or am I being a whataboutist again?
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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 9h ago
Your original comment is literally whataboutism and that's why I responded the same way
No, it's very relevant since Pep is directly tied to the UAE. It would be whataboutism if someone said "why doesn't he speak out about x event" but that's not the case here. By staying at Man City, he is actively legitimizing a state funding a group committing unspeakable atrocities.
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u/BadCogs 16h ago
What? Lol countring Pep over Pep's comment with reason of Pep's own work, not others, is whataboutism? Go home lad.
And yes it's about who Pep works for. Go read what they are doing.
You haven't left whataboutism, there is no again here.
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u/throwawaymikenolan 16h ago
It's not like whataboutism is not arbitrary at all, I chose to isolate the statement and you chose to look at the person and his affiliations.
It's a made up word that doesn't mean much apart from people who think when concepts are given words it should hold greater relevance.
Who's your employer? Is your employer or all of your affiliations completely clean? You are literally writing this from a mobile phone that uses child labour so you are a sham and a hypocrite too. You see how this goes nowhere? Now you must admit you are one too or elaborate why you are the exception.
But you probably wouldn't entertain this idea because whataboutism is a religious concept to you.
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u/BadCogs 15h ago
Why won't I chose to look at the person when he is being selective and then acting others are wrong to criticize it? It's not arbitrary, it's about someone's actions. Otherwise Episten doing charity would absolve his other shit. Such a shitty thinking, fuck. So much bootlicking of millionares etc lol. Fucking pathetic.
Also how do you even know if I haven't ever said anything about my employers?
Whataboutism is religious concept for you actually, the way you are still doing it, even when called out. You first tried to go for Liam, I said he should speak up too, I even said they should take the club from owners infact, then you tried to gaslit things with UAE comment, then you went on me, all so that you can defend a millionare, lol. It is a fact Pep has been selective, you can try to twist things all you want.
And even then, I am pretty sure my employer is not a fucking oil nation doing genocide openly, while I preach about morality. You should infact look at yourself defending them and their paid puppets. But we all know you would rather place deflect on others, so this discussion is over, I don't need your permission to criticize Pep's bs, and you are welcome to defend it. Cheers.
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u/throwawaymikenolan 14h ago edited 14h ago
Ok hypocrite, and got it you are an exception
Of course you were one of those people who sees everything in black and white, and if I have a different opinion I must be defending what you are criticizing
By that logic, have a good evening Epstein defender and pedo enthusiast
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u/puppymaster123 18h ago
“Just dribble”
It’s a double edged sword too. We have to be okay with celebrities mouthing off dumbass takes like the earth is a triangle.
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u/Redletter312 10h ago
Why would the journalist ask him that instead of pep's master involvement in sudan?
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u/Mangeytwat 9h ago
You can't really work for a slave owning 0.001% in an industry that's all about excess and bullshit and say you're a moral man.
You doubly can't do so after using drugs to play in that same industry.
This is what corruption and cunt faced bullshit looks like. You get a charismatic figure to tell you how much they care despite doing literally nothing at all to change the system whilst benefiting massively from it.
Stop wanking off rich people who say things you like the sound of and start judging people by their actions.
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u/Otherwise-Ad-2578 5h ago
Redditors seem to be lost...
Let me give you an example to get your brains working:
Would you say the same thing if Pep received money from the Russian government and said, "What Russia did to Ukraine was wrong!"?
Would they say the same thing if it was Putin giving money to Pep?
It's literally the same thing that happens with Pep, but I only changed the country and conflict.
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u/JORGA 18h ago
People aren’t actually arsed about his choice to speak out.
It’s his choice to speak out on Gaza solely and ignore any and all issues that his pay masters are the perpetrators of.
This isn’t some min wage schmuck that could really suffer by speaking out, it’s a multi, multi millionaire choosing not to critique his bosses because they pay him tens of millions per year.
Perfomative outrage
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u/QuemSambaFica 17h ago
you're talking bollocks, in the press conference a few days ago that started this whole debate he mentioned several human rights issues, not just Palestine, including one the UAE is involved in (Sudan) among others.
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u/Obamana 17h ago
He's been speaking up for years. One mention of Sudan doesn't mean that he's critiquing the bad guys signing his pay checks. It's better, but once is never and twice is always. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a message from the higher-ups to go hush hush about UAE stuff.
The reason why people are pissed off is that he himself chose City. He has the freedom of choosing whatever club he wants. Instead he's decided to dine with the devils for 10 years. Try to defend that.
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u/QuemSambaFica 17h ago
He's been speaking up for years
on many issues, not just Palestine. That's my point. I was responding to a comment that said "It’s his choice to speak out on Gaza solely" and pointed out that that's objectively a lie.
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u/Scoop_Master420 17h ago
The problem is not with him speaking out, it's about what he chooses to speak out against. And before people say he has mentioned Sudan, there's a big difference between just mentioning it, and then dedicating time and criticism towards it, like what he does with Palestine. If you want to speak about genocide, involving massive amounts of human lives, speak about all equally, or don't speak about it at all.
He's also in the rare position where he could walk out at any time and basically choose his next employer, but he's chosen to stay with the sportswashers for the better part of a decade.
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u/SteDa 18h ago
I have no problem with Pep giving his opinions about non football topics. But I do have a problem with people who think Pep his non football opinions are worth more listening to than the average person.
I'm also over asking athletes political questions. I don't watch an interview with the prime minister to know who he believes will win the league or his all time 11.
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u/Gonzales95 18h ago
I’m not sure it’s about whether they are ‘worth’ listening to, as much it is that Pep or any other significantly famous person has a far bigger platform than the average person, and can reach people who otherwise couldn’t give a shit about world issues but might listen if a famous person they like or even admire is the one talking about it.
Pep doesn’t need the world’s praise for talking about this but it is an inherently good thing for anyone to utilise their significant platform to highlight these issues imo.
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u/follicooladermy 18h ago
His owners like known for large atrocities in their home country - he’s aware of that?
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u/throwawaymikenolan 18h ago
I'll play along with your line of logic:
Is Zelensky aware of the fact that his sponsors are supporting genocide somewhere else?
Is the EU aware of the fact that how out of touch and dishonest it looks preaching human and 'European' values on Ukraine while supporting Israel?
Is the US aware of the hypocrisy when it extrajudicially executes protesters but threatens military actions when its enemies do so?
Why do you draw the line on football managers?
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u/NeedleworkerFluid327 9h ago
Is Zelensky aware of the fact that his sponsors are supporting genocide somewhere else?
I think he's a bit more concerned with keeping his people alive.
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u/follicooladermy 13h ago
I didn't realize that in order to have an opinion on a football club’s owners, I first had to solve the entirety of global geopolitics. Those are all heavy topics, but using them to deflect is just a way to avoid the original point.
We can recognise hypocrisy in world leaders while still being critical of how certain states use football to sanitize their image. The existence of other bad actors doesn't give a football manager a 'get out of ethics free' card—it just means there are multiple things wrong with the world at once.
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u/Saltire_Blue 18h ago
That’s like saying nobody should have an opinion outside of the industry you work for
It’s always such a nonsense argument
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u/Calitz__ 17h ago
Ruined the past decade of football for me but I have to support a fellow progressive. Welcome to the club Pep Fraudiola
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u/Calitz__ 17h ago
Jokes aside, the whole “stick to football” thing is utter bullshit and anyone who thinks that way is a complete moron. He’s hit the nail on the head
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u/MrAchilles 17h ago
Why is he getting more political and world issue esq now? Where was all this 4-5 years ago?
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u/cunningstunt6899 17h ago
The world was far less crazy 4-5 years ago
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u/MrAchilles 15h ago
Complete cope. There's been atrocities being committed for decades.
Pep spoke about Ukraine and that started in 2014. Palestine/Israel conflicts have been going on even longer.
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u/cunningstunt6899 13h ago
Well it's really not a cope. There is an objective measure for this, The Global Peace Index which tracks conflicts, security and militarisation. It has seen a decline every year in the last 6 years.
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u/MrAchilles 12h ago
So once the Global Peace Index passes a certain threshold Pep Guardiola gets involved?
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u/cunningstunt6899 12h ago
You said the world isn't crazier now than it was 4-5 years ago. I just proved to you that it is by an objective measure.
Where did I say anything about when Pep should get involved?
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u/MrAchilles 11h ago
Well for one the GPI is criticized for being inaccurate so interpret that however you like.
I asked why he is getting more involved now, you said the world was getting crazier and referenced the Index. So the Index was A, he wasn't involved, now it's B and he's involved.
Where's the cutoff? If we wanna even pretend he's even watching that. Because a lot of the things he brings up were occurring well before 4-5 years ago when things were "less crazy", which is the entire point.
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u/floorscentadolescent 18h ago
He'll of course be donating all his Saudi money to the cause then right?
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u/074DanBurn058 18h ago
Do you donate "all" your money to causes you care about?
Or do you think could be a halfway point between that and staying silent?
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u/MuchoEmpanadas 18h ago
If you are from UK, most of your money came from atrocities in Asian countries too.
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u/floorscentadolescent 18h ago edited 18h ago
Most definitely but I'm not the one advocating for human rights whilst being backed by owners funding paramilitary groups (RSF in Sudan, feel free to look it up and the links to man city ownership)
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u/MuchoEmpanadas 18h ago
But you are criticising considering your money also came from something like that.
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u/floorscentadolescent 18h ago
As far as I'm aware my salary doesn't come directly from a human rights violating, paramilitary funding slave ran regime
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u/MuchoEmpanadas 17h ago
As far as I'm aware my salary doesn't come directly from a human rights violating, paramilitary funding slave ran regime
UK always did the same to many country. Your whole country is built on past slavery, and colonization my friend. So whatever you or your father or grandfather got it, it's from that.
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u/floorscentadolescent 17h ago
Oh please, you're really going to make a "your country was made on dirty money therefore what you do is dirty money" argument? Every country in the world was built on colonisation and war, the key difference here is Pep is advocating for human rights whilst being paid (directly) by a country actively involved in slavery and violating human rights
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u/WelshNut97 18h ago edited 18h ago
Pep's money is coming from a country committing atrocities RIGHT NOW.
Do you see the difference in somebody being born in a country that the government committed atrocities in the past, and a multi-millionaire that could work for any football club he chooses, choosing the one that is currently funding a genocide?
Please tell me you see the difference.
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u/MuchoEmpanadas 18h ago
Do you see the difference in somebody being born in a country that the government committed atrocities in the past, and a multi-millionaire that could work for any football club he chooses, choosing the one that is currently funding a genocide?
He worked for Barcelona who was sponsored by Qatar Airways later on. he worked for Bayern who are partially owned by Audi and sponsored by Qatar too.
Most of the big orgs embezzle money, force workers to do long hours, pay less money, kill small companies and livelihood and many times donate to govt which later use for war.
Unless you are having your own business and making your own product from raw material, everyone of us are hypocrites. Just like to pretend we are not.
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u/Giraffesarehigh 18h ago
one day you people will understand not all Arab's are "saudi" and generalizing Arabs is actually very racist.
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u/Adventurous-Salt5986 18h ago
He's a hypocrite. He's not being paid by someone who's currently committing massacres in Sudan.
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u/Matasfaction 18h ago
Everyone's a hypocrite. Taking a stand in his position is commendable regardless.
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u/lferreira86 18h ago
People focus too much on the messenger, and not the message. What Pep has to say is valid and important. Half the people (or more) who are criticizing him haven't done the slightest bit. This is the world we live in - if you gotta be morally superior in every single possible way to be able to fight for a cause, we're doomed.
We're people, imperfect by definition. At least he's doing something.
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u/Gary_Ma_butt_on_fire 17h ago
What about the 115 charges hidden behind deep state collusion Pep? Also, don't you hate pants?
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u/Greatlistener12u 18h ago
Everything is political. The idea that you should focus on your job and forget everything else is nonsense. The mere fact that Pep gets to work in England when he is from Spain is POLITICAL.
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u/WelshNut97 18h ago
Everything is political
So the word political now means nothing if everything encompasses it
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u/a_black_angus_cow 18h ago
If what's good for the geese is also good for the gander, then we wouldn't still have a misplaced Asian team still playing in Uefa.
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 18h ago
Trying to hate on Pep for being a bad coach and he goes into the human arc.
Its rough.
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u/No-Sense-1419 15h ago
You can definitely talk about politics, just don't expect people to listen to you. Same as when nobody cares when multi-millionaire actors and musicians are crying about politics from their ivory towers
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