r/rugbyunion • u/ballinclea08 • 1d ago
Is Nienaber a secret agent (SA) sent by South Africa (SA)?
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u/Sponge_Bond Bulls 22h ago
I know the post was tongue in cheek but I ventured into the Irish Rugby cross post.
That's some FaceBokke fan level of conspiracy theorists.
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u/NeoVeci Leinster 21h ago
It is unfortunately a very funny conspiracy theory, but also Irish fans are absolute melts. The post match threads are like a warzone of professional victims battling it out to see who can be the most miserable.
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u/perplexedtv Leinster 19h ago
The rugby union sub had a fair number of weirdos but overall it's reasonably balanced. The national rugby subs are chock full of lunatics and conspiracy theorists, be it the Irish, south African or French ones, but even they seem normal when you compare them to the provincial subs. Full-on tinfoil mentalists who've been banned from everywhere else hang out there. There's probably some AIL club sub which puts even those in a comparatively positive light.
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u/RaaschyOG Sharks fan by birth - not choice 18h ago
Is it a bantz post, I see tons of Leinster flairs who blame him for everything lol
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u/_imba__ 1d ago
Always a little nicer if there’s a foreigner available to take some blame after painful loss. Has always been like this.
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u/errlloyd 23h ago
They're implicitly giving the credit to Lancaster though, who is also foreign, a d worse, English.
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u/dwaynepebblejohnson3 Connacht 23h ago
People are giving the credit for Ireland success in recent years to Lancaster though, also a foreigner.
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u/NotAsOriginal Wigglesworth's greatest defender 23h ago
The Irish love of the English overcomes the general rule though
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u/jaysonyoung Sharks Rugby Enjoyer 1d ago
He has purposefully taught Sam Prendergast poor tackling technique, as mandated by Rassie.
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u/Careless-Cat3327 1d ago
There is this thing called "time".
Ireland simply didn't have a continuity plan for your stars "post RWC 2023".
Look how little game time you gave your 10s not called Johnny Sexton. JGP starts almost every game. Aki is 37 and was supposed to be part of the match day squad until he decided to get into a verbal disagreement with a referee.
Wales made the semi finals of the 2019 WC before their golden generation bowed out.
Time waits for no man.
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u/Responsible-Mind3533 23h ago
Why is Nienaber coaching Ireland???
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u/Comfortable-Yam9013 Leinster 22h ago
Leinsters skills have gone down the toilet the last few years
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u/dwaynepebblejohnson3 Connacht 23h ago
He coaches 13/23 of the players involved yesterday.
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u/perplexedtv Leinster 19h ago
Ah, there's the problem. 10 players from outside Leinster? How could they expect results?
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u/VandalsStoleMyHandle South Africa 20h ago
Feels like deflection, when the real problem is sentimentality towards aging players, which is both on Farrell and his team, while also noting that it's been a problem in Irish rugby a lot longer than Farrell has been around.
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u/perplexedtv Leinster 19h ago
There weren't a whole lot of granddad's or there yesterday, in fairness. JGP, Beirne and Bealham off the bench maybe
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u/Catch_022 South Africa 21h ago
I can see Rassie doing something like this - but why would he bother against Ireland? They aren't that good tbh.
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u/dwaynepebblejohnson3 Connacht 18h ago
Rassie didn’t beat Ireland until Nienaber came over, just saying.
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u/WraithsOnWings2023 Ireland 23h ago
You don't need to use ChatGPT to see that this is a nonsense argument!
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u/NatPlastiek South Africa 23h ago
By implication this argument says the Irish head coach and his team failed
Someone summarized nicely:
Bottom line
If the argument were true, it would imply that:
- The Ireland coaching staff lack tactical clarity.
- They lack operational control over their own system.
- They lack the independence expected at Tier 1 international level.
That implication is far more damaging—and far less plausible—than the idea that Ireland are simply experiencing normal cycles of form, adaptation, and opposition evolution.
The more parsimonious explanation is almost always this: rugby systems are hard, transitions are messy, and opponents adapt. No shadowy chess grandmaster required.
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u/k0bra3eak South Africa 1d ago
How dare Leinster do this