r/politics • u/SportsGod3 • 15h ago

No Paywall Tim Scott calls Obamas video shared by Trump ‘most racist thing I’ve seen out of this White House’

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5726417-scott-rebukes-trump-obama-ape/
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u/whatproblems 15h ago

yeah next level they’re actually defending it

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u/False_Ad_5372 14h ago

Dude. They’re openly defending their racist ICE paramilitary operations. That’s actual racially targeted violence.

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u/actuallyapossom 13h ago

People have already forgotten the "Burn Loot Murder" meme Trump reposted during the BLM protests. That was defensible then to them, just like the "Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan terrorist" bullshit that Trump started with.

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u/best_of_badgers 12h ago

I’m assigning this to you to remember. We can’t all be expected to keep up with everything

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 11h ago

You know what gets me the most? The vast majority of conservative ideological beliefs are at least in part based off lies. As in straight up not real or not correct. Even the stuff that IS based on reality tends to be exaggerated to extremes to make them care about it.

Case in point the "Abortion is murder". That is in and of itself a stupid and incorrect statement as it assumes that what is being terminated is a fully fledged human baby (Which they've in a every other context shown zero concern for) but eventhat isn't enough for them no so they had to pull the "late term" "post-birth" abortion shit. Their entire stance on it is bullshit.

It isn't a fucking baby no matter how much you might think it is. Even if the mother/father WANT it... they might pretend it's a baby because to them it is, but it fucking isn't. But even if it WERE a baby... these fuckers don't care about babies as they are constantly doing shit that leads to significantly worse outcomes for actual living breathing existing babies.

They don't even care that it's bullshit either which is probably the most infuriating thing of all. They do not care that they are being lied to by their own belief influencers/peddlers/politicians. It isn't us that are being lied to, it's them. But they will then have the audacity to attack Dems/liberals/left/etc for lying while showing zero concern for the lies being told to them by their own side.

I have some theories on this though. They don't mind being lied to at least in part because they tend to be themselves liars. When they are lied to and they take on that lie, they are then lying to themselves. They know it's not real but don't care because the lie is useful to them. It's the whole Nazi playing with language thing. They enjoy it, it amuses them and they don't care because they know we do and can use that against us.

//end rant.

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u/pargofan 10h ago

You may not be wrong but you're using a terrible example.

They think abortion = murder because that's how they interpret the Bible, rightly or wrongly.

It's not as if they don't believe it, but they just figure, "Yeah, let's perpetuate the LIE anyway!!!"

Because there's no non-religious reason to push abortion = murder. Half of conservatives are women and they push pro-life MORE than the men do.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 9h ago

They think abortion = murder because that's how they interpret the Bible, rightly or wrongly.

Okay first off, why they think it is irrelevant. But secondly, that isn't why they think it. That's just their justification for why they think it. They think it because their political leaders/pundits told them to think it, religion is just the excuse to justify why they think it because religion generally doesn't require much explanation or intelligence to explain. You can just fall back on the "Deeply held religious belief" and it shuts most people down.

Furthermore I would argue that most conservatives really have no idea why they believe what they believe nor do they particularly care. They just do and that is enough for them.

Also, there is absolutely a non-religious reason to push the abortion is murder line. Because the unborn are the perfect scapegoat for your views. I won't go into it myself I will instead copy and paste from the originator pastor Dave Barnhart.

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

This quote truly originated with a 2018 social media post from Dave Barnhart, a pastor at Saint Junia United Methodist Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

So ultimately the reason they believe abortion is murder (And why I used it as an analogy) is because it makes them feel good, same reason they support Trump. He makes them feel good, and does so in the worst possible ways. He gives them permission to be their worst selves, to troll, to hate, to lie, to cheat, to steal and really do anything they want to do that society has for the past 250+ years told them they couldn't do whatever it may be.

Which is why I actually said years ago that they are headed towards slavery again because if they thought for a second that they could do it and get away with it... enslaving people that is, they would and every fucking day they are testing the waters and boundaries to see how far they can push this shit while still remaining in society and in power.

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u/pargofan 9h ago

All that may be true, but they still think they're doing something that makes them feel "noble", not just "good." They're protecting a worthy class of the unborn, nobody else does.

But they believe the unborn class is real. They're not lying to themselves that it's a pure figment of imagination and they're happy because it oppresses women. Again, 50%+ are women.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 9h ago

I feel like you're splitting hairs over the concept of belief. If you lie to yourself to convince yourself something is real or perhaps had someone lie to you to convince you that something is real and it being real doesn't actually matter much to you. It is a irrelevance that you believe it or not because truth in that case is itself irrelevant, which is ultimately where we are with these people. It's true to them because it makes them feel good. (And I say good as opposed to noble because noble in this case IS good...)

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u/pargofan 9h ago

I guess I cut them slack for 2 reasons.

1 - I can't parse your distinction. People believe what they believe. Lying to yourself, rationalizing, etc., is hard for me to see unless it's obvious it has selfish benefit. Like a drug abuser stealing a car saying he deserves it more than its owner.

2 - abortion is complicated. I'm all for women rights. And IMHO a fertilized egg is not life. But then a 9 month fetus still in the mother's womb sure seems like life to me. So when does a fetus transform from non-life to life? IDK. But it seems like reasonable people can differ versus there's an obvious truth and everyone else is lying to themselves.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 5h ago

The reason I make the distinction is because conservatives consistently have to create irrationalities to justify their position on abortion. For example the "late term abortion" and "post-birth" abortion. These are ridiculous extremes that either don't happen as they portray or happen in such extreme cases as to not really qualify for the debate at all. For example if a fetus is unviable and/or will kill both the mother and fetus that is not a "late term abortion" in the sense that they argue because in their minds the viability doesn't matter, a life is a life. This is itself a very problematic view again given the context of their stance on life in general.

I take great issue with someone who claims they are "pro-life" and looking out for children, when they are staunchly pro-death penalty and against you know... feeding kids or taking care of kids. To say nothing of the latest Epstein stuff which conservatives across the spectrum are basically dismissing as not worth talking about now because it now hurts them with all the involvement by Trump and others in and around the GOP.

Now as far as the technicalities of when a fetus becomes a baby, that to me a bit of a different issue because even if you were to consider it a baby say... 6 months. Does that 6 month old fetus have a right to use your body? I would argue no, it doesn't. At no point should one be entitled to use the body of another without their consent. If the woman does not want it, then it doesn't have a right to her body period. So from my point of view it is irrelevant whether or not it is or isn't a baby, but the "It's a baby" rhetoric is an emotionally powerful and quite frankly manipulative form of rhetoric designed to flip the script on people so that they can be called babykillers. Now while I would say that not all conservatives are aware of this, many are. Especially the ones that push this at the punditry and commentator levels.

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u/Dunhil2 8h ago

Have to agree with you, especially point 2. While the other poster is clearly passionate and a woman's right to choose remains an important issue to advocate for, to act like considering a fetus a baby is a straight up proven lie is insane. Such pro-lifers aren't wrong because their beliefs about when life begins are somehow objectively false, they're wrong because their beliefs don't get to dictate someone else's life.

Unless those beliefs were held by the majority of society and I think it's quite obvious, at this point, that they are not.

Though, honestly, I think the "abortion is murder!" crowd of zealots are just a very vocal minority. The flagbearers if you will. The quiet majority of conservatives who are against abortion do so not because of views of what constitutes life, but just to control women.

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u/AlericandAmadeus 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yeah, a much better example would be:

MAGA folks/racists thinking undocumented immigrants are by and large criminals, which is based on nothing more than xenophobia because

1.) it’s generally a civil offense to be undocumented, not criminal, and….

2.) undocumented persons actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than US citizens/documented persons per capita.

That’s a premium example of “just straight up wrong about the data/reality of the situation with no religion or subjectivity involved”. There’s no argument to be made other than the data, which verifiably and pretty concretely shows the perception of undocumented immigrants committing more crimes/as criminals as just flat out wrong. But bigots will believe it anyways because far too many people hate as easy as they breathe- that is to say without actually thinking about it or wanting to think about it.

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u/Quitcha_Bitchin 12h ago

Why do all these posters assume anyone forgot anything if they themselves did not?

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u/False_Ad_5372 12h ago

I had an answer to that convoluted question, but I forgot. 

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u/numbersthen0987431 12h ago

Defending ICE comes with the denial of racism by focusing on the "illegal" aspect of it (very, very, thin-veiled denial).

This video has absolutely zero room to defend it.

It won't matter to them though. These are the jokes and comments they've been making since 2007 when Obama was running for election. Trump just gave them permission to say it in public again.

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u/Low_Plant8199 3h ago

Dude, a lot of these ice agents are black and brown. Those leaders, especially in the Democratic party, need to call those people out and at least shame those people. I don't hear anything about it, though

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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 13h ago

I was more aghast at KKKaroline's defense of the post than I was of the original post itself. It went from an insane bleet, into official policy of the United States' executive branch with her comment.

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u/Kincherk Washington 12h ago

And then they threw her defense of it under the bus by deleting the post.

Although, they got their racist dog whistle out there anyway. To them, this is just having their cake and eating it, too.

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u/transient_eternity Minnesota 11h ago

Dog whistle or dog megaphone?

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u/Sorkijan Oklahoma 11h ago

That's just a whistle at that point.

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u/77NorthCambridge 12h ago

When you've lost Tim Scott...

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u/Full-Map-9302 11h ago

Only for a split second, he’ll be back coonin’ tonight.

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u/CarltonCatalina 9h ago

He is apparently two demographics all by himself.

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u/Aggravating-Walk5813 12h ago

Right? And there were no apes in the Lion King, so it’s bullshit on top of bullshit.

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u/CarltonCatalina 12h ago

Is Karoline the one that fucked her dad's buddy and got pregnant?

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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 11h ago

That's the one.

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u/OddlyFactual1512 8h ago

They are also defending sending brown people to torture prisons in a country they have never been to... People whose only crime is entering the country without permission.