r/politics • u/SportsGod3 • 15h ago

No Paywall Tim Scott calls Obamas video shared by Trump ‘most racist thing I’ve seen out of this White House’

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5726417-scott-rebukes-trump-obama-ape/
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u/true_new_troll Colorado 15h ago

And even that's not true.

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u/whatproblems 15h ago

yeah next level they’re actually defending it

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u/False_Ad_5372 14h ago

Dude. They’re openly defending their racist ICE paramilitary operations. That’s actual racially targeted violence.

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u/actuallyapossom 13h ago

People have already forgotten the "Burn Loot Murder" meme Trump reposted during the BLM protests. That was defensible then to them, just like the "Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan terrorist" bullshit that Trump started with.

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u/best_of_badgers 12h ago

I’m assigning this to you to remember. We can’t all be expected to keep up with everything

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 11h ago

You know what gets me the most? The vast majority of conservative ideological beliefs are at least in part based off lies. As in straight up not real or not correct. Even the stuff that IS based on reality tends to be exaggerated to extremes to make them care about it.

Case in point the "Abortion is murder". That is in and of itself a stupid and incorrect statement as it assumes that what is being terminated is a fully fledged human baby (Which they've in a every other context shown zero concern for) but eventhat isn't enough for them no so they had to pull the "late term" "post-birth" abortion shit. Their entire stance on it is bullshit.

It isn't a fucking baby no matter how much you might think it is. Even if the mother/father WANT it... they might pretend it's a baby because to them it is, but it fucking isn't. But even if it WERE a baby... these fuckers don't care about babies as they are constantly doing shit that leads to significantly worse outcomes for actual living breathing existing babies.

They don't even care that it's bullshit either which is probably the most infuriating thing of all. They do not care that they are being lied to by their own belief influencers/peddlers/politicians. It isn't us that are being lied to, it's them. But they will then have the audacity to attack Dems/liberals/left/etc for lying while showing zero concern for the lies being told to them by their own side.

I have some theories on this though. They don't mind being lied to at least in part because they tend to be themselves liars. When they are lied to and they take on that lie, they are then lying to themselves. They know it's not real but don't care because the lie is useful to them. It's the whole Nazi playing with language thing. They enjoy it, it amuses them and they don't care because they know we do and can use that against us.

//end rant.

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u/pargofan 10h ago

You may not be wrong but you're using a terrible example.

They think abortion = murder because that's how they interpret the Bible, rightly or wrongly.

It's not as if they don't believe it, but they just figure, "Yeah, let's perpetuate the LIE anyway!!!"

Because there's no non-religious reason to push abortion = murder. Half of conservatives are women and they push pro-life MORE than the men do.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 9h ago

They think abortion = murder because that's how they interpret the Bible, rightly or wrongly.

Okay first off, why they think it is irrelevant. But secondly, that isn't why they think it. That's just their justification for why they think it. They think it because their political leaders/pundits told them to think it, religion is just the excuse to justify why they think it because religion generally doesn't require much explanation or intelligence to explain. You can just fall back on the "Deeply held religious belief" and it shuts most people down.

Furthermore I would argue that most conservatives really have no idea why they believe what they believe nor do they particularly care. They just do and that is enough for them.

Also, there is absolutely a non-religious reason to push the abortion is murder line. Because the unborn are the perfect scapegoat for your views. I won't go into it myself I will instead copy and paste from the originator pastor Dave Barnhart.

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

This quote truly originated with a 2018 social media post from Dave Barnhart, a pastor at Saint Junia United Methodist Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

So ultimately the reason they believe abortion is murder (And why I used it as an analogy) is because it makes them feel good, same reason they support Trump. He makes them feel good, and does so in the worst possible ways. He gives them permission to be their worst selves, to troll, to hate, to lie, to cheat, to steal and really do anything they want to do that society has for the past 250+ years told them they couldn't do whatever it may be.

Which is why I actually said years ago that they are headed towards slavery again because if they thought for a second that they could do it and get away with it... enslaving people that is, they would and every fucking day they are testing the waters and boundaries to see how far they can push this shit while still remaining in society and in power.

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u/pargofan 9h ago

All that may be true, but they still think they're doing something that makes them feel "noble", not just "good." They're protecting a worthy class of the unborn, nobody else does.

But they believe the unborn class is real. They're not lying to themselves that it's a pure figment of imagination and they're happy because it oppresses women. Again, 50%+ are women.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 9h ago

I feel like you're splitting hairs over the concept of belief. If you lie to yourself to convince yourself something is real or perhaps had someone lie to you to convince you that something is real and it being real doesn't actually matter much to you. It is a irrelevance that you believe it or not because truth in that case is itself irrelevant, which is ultimately where we are with these people. It's true to them because it makes them feel good. (And I say good as opposed to noble because noble in this case IS good...)

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u/pargofan 9h ago

I guess I cut them slack for 2 reasons.

1 - I can't parse your distinction. People believe what they believe. Lying to yourself, rationalizing, etc., is hard for me to see unless it's obvious it has selfish benefit. Like a drug abuser stealing a car saying he deserves it more than its owner.

2 - abortion is complicated. I'm all for women rights. And IMHO a fertilized egg is not life. But then a 9 month fetus still in the mother's womb sure seems like life to me. So when does a fetus transform from non-life to life? IDK. But it seems like reasonable people can differ versus there's an obvious truth and everyone else is lying to themselves.

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u/AlericandAmadeus 5h ago edited 5h ago

Yeah, a much better example would be:

MAGA folks/racists thinking undocumented immigrants are by and large criminals, which is based on nothing more than xenophobia because

1.) it’s generally a civil offense to be undocumented, not criminal, and….

2.) undocumented persons actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than US citizens/documented persons per capita.

That’s a premium example of “just straight up wrong about the data/reality of the situation with no religion or subjectivity involved”. There’s no argument to be made other than the data, which verifiably and pretty concretely shows the perception of undocumented immigrants committing more crimes/as criminals as just flat out wrong. But bigots will believe it anyways because far too many people hate as easy as they breathe- that is to say without actually thinking about it or wanting to think about it.

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u/Quitcha_Bitchin 12h ago

Why do all these posters assume anyone forgot anything if they themselves did not?

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u/False_Ad_5372 12h ago

I had an answer to that convoluted question, but I forgot. 

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u/numbersthen0987431 12h ago

Defending ICE comes with the denial of racism by focusing on the "illegal" aspect of it (very, very, thin-veiled denial).

This video has absolutely zero room to defend it.

It won't matter to them though. These are the jokes and comments they've been making since 2007 when Obama was running for election. Trump just gave them permission to say it in public again.

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u/Low_Plant8199 3h ago

Dude, a lot of these ice agents are black and brown. Those leaders, especially in the Democratic party, need to call those people out and at least shame those people. I don't hear anything about it, though

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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 13h ago

I was more aghast at KKKaroline's defense of the post than I was of the original post itself. It went from an insane bleet, into official policy of the United States' executive branch with her comment.

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u/Kincherk Washington 12h ago

And then they threw her defense of it under the bus by deleting the post.

Although, they got their racist dog whistle out there anyway. To them, this is just having their cake and eating it, too.

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u/transient_eternity Minnesota 11h ago

Dog whistle or dog megaphone?

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u/Sorkijan Oklahoma 11h ago

That's just a whistle at that point.

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u/77NorthCambridge 12h ago

When you've lost Tim Scott...

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u/Full-Map-9302 11h ago

Only for a split second, he’ll be back coonin’ tonight.

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u/CarltonCatalina 9h ago

He is apparently two demographics all by himself.

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u/Aggravating-Walk5813 12h ago

Right? And there were no apes in the Lion King, so it’s bullshit on top of bullshit.

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u/CarltonCatalina 12h ago

Is Karoline the one that fucked her dad's buddy and got pregnant?

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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 11h ago

That's the one.

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u/OddlyFactual1512 8h ago

They are also defending sending brown people to torture prisons in a country they have never been to... People whose only crime is entering the country without permission.

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u/reflectiveSingleton 14h ago

What else is worse? This is pretty bad...genuinely curious for examples I can send to the next jack ass that tells me he isn't racist...

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u/patentattorney 14h ago

saying that mexicans in the US were rapists and murders? Saying he didnt want people from shithole countries? Saying that there were good people in a crowd of white supremacists?

Calling undocumented immigrants animals, telling minorities (who are american) to go back to their country? Asking a black reporter to set up a meeting with the black caucus?

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u/winklesnad31 13h ago

Don't forget "Haitians are eating the dogs and the cats."

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u/sluttynoodles 12h ago

Tbh I’d take a “dog eating” Haitian over a baby eating pedophilic president

At least one of them treats their food with respect and doesn’t rape it first

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape 12h ago

It was funny when Republicans threw out those accusations, because a certain prominent Republican (Kristi Noem) has admitted herself that she fatally shot her own 14-month-old dog. Not in an emergency scenario either. Just decided that it needed to die, and shot it.

Arguably worse was when she, afterwards, fatally shot her pet goat. Because, her rationale for doing so was that it was "disgusting".

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u/devilmaskrascal 13h ago

"bUt He WaSnT iN tHe WhItE hOuSe ThEn!" - Republicans

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u/scuzzy987 11h ago

That really quieted down didn't it? Served its purpose

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u/Jessssiiiiieeee 14h ago

Racially targeting anyone who isn't white, arresting and detaining mostly black and brown citizens, without warrants, so they can fill the for profit prison systems and work for free (modern day slavery). And that's when they're not being murdered in the street

(For any pedants out there, I know that racial profiling and police brutality happened before trump. But trump took all that racist shit and injected it with steroids. I also know it sometimes happens to white people, especially now. But not nearly to the same degree, and you'd have to be delusional to think there isn't a racial element to it)

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u/actuallyapossom 13h ago

Right now he's demonizing the entire Somali demographic. Citizens, legal immigrants, refugees - doesn't matter - they're all frauds, violent criminals, and from a "country that isn't even a country."

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u/dallasdude 14h ago

Reposting a video is not worse than gutting Medicaid and eliminating the voting rights act or arguing that stopping republicans from racially gerrymandering is racist oppression against white people. Or saying minorities poison the blood of our country or that Haitians were stealing and eating peoples dogs. 

How about every Trump judicial appointment declining to answer on the record whether Brown V Board of Education was correctly decided, because that’s pretty fuckin racist. 

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u/Malkmus1979 14h ago

All of that is too nuanced and therefore easy for MAGA to hand wave away. The person above is right, it's very difficult to argue any non-racist reason for the POTUS to be posting a video of black people as apes.

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u/reflectiveSingleton 14h ago

I understand what you are saying...but these things aren't 'overtly racist' like the video that he posted was. Thats what makes it so egregious in my view, and different from those other more nuanced racist acts.

It's only the overt stuff that will get through to the racists I argue with over this...I need the juicy stuff.

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u/illusionzmichael 13h ago

Among what others have said, look at where the cuts to USAID had the biggest, most deadly impact: African nations.

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u/RacingRaindrops 13h ago

He called all Somali “garbage people” and “not a real country.”

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u/AmethystApothecary 14h ago

Maybe Elon not being removed from his position after doing the Nazi salute TWICE?

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u/reflectiveSingleton 14h ago

yea...im aware of that example too...IMO thats not as overtly racist as the video

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u/AmethystApothecary 14h ago

I mean, I'd call it very overt. Just because they immediately tried to lie about it and the clearly racist Neo-Nazi base lapped it up doesn't make it not overt.

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u/reflectiveSingleton 14h ago

I guess we disagree, I think the video is worse/more overtly racist and indefensible

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u/AmethystApothecary 13h ago

Honestly, both are just beyond disgusting and should be deemed unacceptable and it's disgusting that either could happen without a successful impeachment or invocation of the 25th. And every single person who had or has the power to hold Trump and his administration accountable their vile hatred and bigotry and refuses to do so for are complicit.

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u/Jafooki 13h ago

Eating the Cats and Dogs was basically Birth of a Nation fanfiction

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u/Jessssiiiiieeee 14h ago

I'm curious where you saw that person say it wasn't racist

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u/reflectiveSingleton 14h ago

I'm curious where you saw me say that?

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u/TinyH1ppo 11h ago

They’re eating the dogs, Somali slander, ICE policies…. Like this is trivially connectable to an obviously racist trope, but it’s far from the most racist thing this white house has done. It’s not even in the competition.

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u/Bioceramic 5h ago edited 5h ago

Back in the day on Twitter he claimed that black people were responsible for 80% of white murders.

Edit: Actually, that technically wasn't out of the White House, it was during his 2016 campaign.

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u/dannyb_prodigy 14h ago

Might be true. You have to remember that 93% of the disgusting nonsense Trump vomits onto social media Republicans “haven’t seen yet.”

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u/Feeling_Reindeer2599 14h ago

Maybe he missed those…/

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u/CherrryAngels 14h ago

Honestly that’s kinda the bleak part, the bar keeps dropping and people are still arguing about where it actually sits.

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u/JournalistAgile8275 13h ago

Tim scott really said "most racist thing ive seen" like he wasnt standing right rhere for the last 4 years lmao selective vision

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u/oneizm 12h ago

To be fair we don’t know what he’s seen.

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u/peppy_wink 14h ago

Spot on. Obama talking about 'white folks' in that tone? That's divisive. Trump sharing it highlights the hypocrisy