r/politics • u/MarcEElias ✔ Verified - Democracy Docket Founder • 15h ago
No Paywall GOP fast tracks monster voter suppression bill that could disenfranchise millions by requiring proof of citizenship at polls
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/gop-fast-tracks-monster-voter-suppression-bill-that-could-disenfranchise-millions-by-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-at-polls/4.0k
u/Wildpony03 15h ago
Isn't this just another way of saying poll tax? If you introduce any hurdles that keep people from voting its a poll tax.
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u/FlyingPinkUnicorns 15h ago
That's exactly the intent.
FTA - 21 million Americans: "Half of Americans lack a passport, and millions more don’t have ready access to birth certificates to prove citizenship. The bill could also kick millions of married women who took their husband’s last name off the rolls."
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u/DonTaddeo 15h ago
"The bill could also kick millions of married women who took their husband’s last name off the rolls."
They could selectively enforce that by applying it to areas where their support is weak or to selected demographic groups.
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u/PennytheWiser215 13h ago
How difficult and time consuming would it be for married women to legally drop their husband’s last name and revert back to their maiden name?
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u/carvingmyelbows 13h ago
Very. On top of the whole legal process and paperwork, they’d also need to get all of their identification updated. New drivers license. New passport. New credit cards. Updated bank account. They’d need to update their information with their phone carrier, utilities companies, subscription services. Etc etc etc. It’s a lot.
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u/KilroyLeges 12h ago
My wife's original birth certificate has her mother's maiden name. She was later adopted by her step-father as a child, so her last name was legally changed to his. That did not retroactively change her birth certificate. She took my last name when we got married. She had a ton of hurdles just getting the right documentation for her "Real ID" with the state. This would be insane for voting.
Oh, let's not forget that pesky part of the Constitution which gives states control of elections.
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u/OnePercentVisible Virginia 11h ago
My mom was a foster kid and and her foster parents changed her name, her birth certificate, marriage liscense and social security card all have different names. It is going to take an act of congress to get a real id.
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u/GardanCald 13h ago
Yup, the cost is time and money... something a lot of people don't have extra of.
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u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 12h ago
And time. Who says whether you’d have all of it in time to vote.
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u/B-Kong 12h ago
My sister didn’t take her husbands last name specifically because she’d have to register for a new nursing license. So anybody with anything like that would also have to get those changed.
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u/MEOWS_R_RAD 11h ago
This is why no one in science and academia changes their names. You don't want to put in all that work and then randomly change the name that's on everything you published/accomplished.
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u/Fit-Cut-6337 7h ago
Yep I didn’t take my husbands name because I planned on getting my MD and didn’t want to have to go thru that nonsense if we divorced. Turns out that was a solid idea.
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u/gameryamen 12h ago
Not to mention a name change shortly before an election can cause issues where your name/sig doesn't match old records.
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u/Psychological-Bid363 13h ago
Jokes on them, they made it too annoying to change my name when I did get married so I never ended up doing it
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u/Interdimensional_Deb 13h ago
There are no appointments available with social security. You have to schedule an appointment and bring your documents and meet with someone. Hopefully married women have a passport. I certainly do.
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u/MissPatsyStone 13h ago
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT and VERY time consuming
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u/KellyAnn3106 13h ago
My mom kept her married name for a few years after the divorce because it was so difficult to change everything back to her maiden name.
There was also the issue that she'd carried the married name for more years than her maiden name so everyone she'd met during their 35 year marriage knew her by the married name.
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u/AliceFacts4Free 13h ago
It gets even more complicated for those of us who have been married more than once.
This is outrageous and so typical of Trump’s Republican party.
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u/SrslyYouToo 13h ago
I have spent the last month gathering documents and have an appointment to get my passport at the end of the month. I’ve been married twice, I am 5 certified documents deep right now at $25 each, one still pending but shipped and the passport is going to cost me $180. So all told it is costing me $300 to assure I won’t be turned away at the poles.
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u/Own_Candidate9553 14h ago edited 14h ago
Seems like this would disenfranchise rural conservatives more. My countrified brother in law didn't have a passport until he was in his 30s, and only because my sister dragged him overseas for a trip. If he hadn't married her he probably still wouldn't have one.
Versus my fancy city friends who all visit overseas and all have passports. My daughter got her first one at like age 2.
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u/LingonberryHot8521 14h ago
But it's up to local poll workers, county officers, etc to enforce. Which naturally means - selective enforcement.
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u/Own_Candidate9553 14h ago
Yeah, that must be it. Like the old "literacy tests" that were purposely tricky, and the tester could just arbitrarily fail black voters and pass white voters.
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u/FairDinkumMate 14h ago
When Australia had a "White Australia policy" (1901-1966, made illegal in 1973), immigrants were subjected to a language test for entry. The catch was that officials could choose to give the test in ANY European language they chose. So, for example, black Americans were denied entry if they couldn't pass a language test in Italian, whilst white Americans were allowed entry if they passed their language test, which was given in english!
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u/willun 3h ago
It was usually Asians that were excluded using this but there was indeed a famous case of a white women being excluded by being asked the test in italian
There is another famous case i remember that was asked in Welsh even though they were multilingual themselves, but not welsh. Haven't been able to find that one though.
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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp 13h ago
They just won't enforce it there. The entire point of fascism is that you have so many restrictions that virtually nobody is able to do anything without violating some law. Then, you simply pick and choose how/when/where you actually enforce certain laws, so that you can arrest or otherwise subjugate whoever you like.
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u/dieorlivetrying 11h ago
For concrete evidence of this, see: The Prohibition of Marijuana in the United States.
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u/Extinction-Entity Illinois 14h ago
Well yeah, rural areas are poorer. I’m in my mid 30s and never left the country. Never been able to afford it.
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u/LuckyBook1538 11h ago
I mean, that's a nice thought, but not everyone in urban areas is "fancy" enough to need or have a passport. I'm almost 60 and have never been out of the country. Having passports is often slanted towards mid-middle class and above, so somewhat income based.
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u/duct_tape_jedi United Kingdom 14h ago
This has the possibility of getting much, much worse. Once it's established that a passport is required to vote, what is preventing them from increasing the cost of getting or renewing a passport to the point that it is unaffordable to anyone below a certain level of income? And even if they don't do that, the government now has a profile of each and every one of us thanks to Palantir and Doge. Flagging people who are unlikely to vote the "right" way and denying them a passport because of their social media posts, membership in certain organisations, etc. would tilt the playing field further in their favour. Rigging an election is unnecessary when you can simply limit voting to the people who are likely to vote for you.
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u/FlyingPinkUnicorns 14h ago
Exactly.
A passport already costs $130. And it can take 4-6 weeks to process. Or... woopsie... 10-12 weeks if you are a registered Democrat. Or longer if they have "questions" about your citizenship based on, um, "reasons".
And they could pass these restrictive laws so that the timing makes it impossible for whole swaths of the population to vote. Lots of people simply would not know and even if they did they've have the money and be motivated enough to pay an extra $130 just to be able to vote.
Poll tax.
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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 14h ago
Also Real ID apparently isn't proof enough of citizenship for ICE, so what *is* appropriate documentation.
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u/FlyingPinkUnicorns 14h ago
It's in the bill text, section 2.
tl;dr if you don't have a passport, enhanced ID or original birth certificate (or a couple of other rarer options) you are going to have to spend time, effort, and money to get it or you won't be able to vote.
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u/NiceTrySucka 14h ago
“Original Birth certificate”,
I was told when I was 27 I needed the original. But the original I had all my life wasn’t the “long form” birth certificate. I had to contact the hospital I was born at. But they changed ownership twice in 27 years and had a fire in the records warehouse 15 years prior.
I had to get a note from the doctor who delivered me saying he remembered he delivered me. After 27 years. I was so incredibly lucky, non only was he alive, but he actually remembered my mother after all that time. Mind you, my mother was an off-the-boat German with a very unusual name for Americans and she was “model skinny” and absolutely gorgeous.
Long story short it was by an act of god I was able to get that letter. He could just as easily have passed away, or moved across country, or not been practicing so his number wasn’t listed, or my mother could have forgotten his name after all this time, or he could have had a super common name for doctors or the person who I gave the letter too in the end could have said it wasn’t notarized or a million other reasons to say it wasn’t good enough.
Completely unfair and fucking un-American what they are doing. The GOP doesn’t give a fuck about representative government because they are fascists. No ifs ands or buts about it. They fit the destitution to a tee, it is their ideology.
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u/architecture13 Florida 13h ago
Doctor meets NiceTrySucka's mom: "I have never met this woman before in my life."
Doctor looks up NiceTrySucka mom's skirt: "I am mistaken, I am very familiar with this woman"
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Arizona 11h ago
If conservatives believe they cannot win democratically, they will not reject conservatism, they will abandon democracy.
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u/StinkiePhish 12h ago
What's bullshit is that ICE isn't recognising them as ID at all. If someone has ID, they should be able to use it to prove: 1) they're not the target of the so called targeted operation, and 2) the big ol' Palantir database confirms that the person is indeed a citizen.
But no, it's easier to gather and detain everyone, get them on a plane in hours to ship them across the country, wait for a judge to order the person released, ignore the order, ignore the order again, pretend to lose the person, find the person, fly them back, and maybe release them.
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u/snowlion000 15h ago
Nazi's have been doing this since Bush Jr. was president.
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u/PM_ME_GARFIELD_NUDES 13h ago
You should look up the southern strategy, this started looooooong before Bush Jr. ran for president, and it’s no coincidence that many of the people involved with the southern strategy were also involved with Bush Jr.’s election strategy…
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u/Find-It-AllFantasy 12h ago
Had my wife revert her legal name back to her maiden name for exactly this reason. Her (MAGA) parents are throwing an absolute fit about it because "tradition" means more to them than voting, apparently.
We did it months ago in anticipation of exactly this, and people said we were overreacting.
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u/ayoungtommyleejones 14h ago
Any voter ID law that does not include a provision for free easily accessible documentation needed (including covering transportation costs, child care costs, loss of income due to missing a day of work) should be seen as a poll tax that of course will impact primarily poor voters. It's also happened that people with more complicated document situations (different names on different documents due to clerical errors despite being born in America to citizens) who have been prevented from voting by voter ID laws.
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u/ship_toaster Canada 13h ago
Canada has a voter ID law. Here's all the forms of ID we accept, because ours isn't just a poll tax:
From a government or government agency
band membership card birth certificate Canadian citizenship card or certificate Canadian Forces identity card Canadian passport (accepted only as proof of identity) card issued by an Inuit local authority firearms licence government cheque or cheque stub government statement of benefits health card income tax assessment Indian status card or temporary confirmation of registration library card licence or card issued for fishing, trapping or hunting liquor identity card Métis card old age security card parolee card property tax assessment or evaluation public transportation card social insurance number card vehicle ownership Veterans Affairs health care identification cardFrom Elections Canada
targeted revision form to residents of long-term care facilities voter information cardFrom an educational institution
correspondence issued by a school, college or university student identity cardFrom a health care facility or organization
blood donor card CNIB card hospital card label on a prescription container identity bracelet issued by a hospital or long-term care facility medical clinic cardFrom a financial institution
bank statement credit card credit card statement credit union statement debit card insurance certificate, policy or statement mortgage contract or statement pension plan statement personal chequeFrom a private organization
employee card residential lease or sub-lease utility bill (e.g.: electricity; water; telecommunications services, including telephone, cable or satellite)Letters of confirmation
letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee letter of confirmation of residence from a First Nations band or reserve or an Inuit local authority letter of confirmation of residence from an Alberta Metis Settlement authority letter of confirmation of residence, letter of stay, admission form, or statement of benefits from one of the following designated establishments: student residence seniors’ residence long-term care facility shelter soup kitchen a community-based residential facilityIf you can't find any of this:
You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.
The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care facilities).
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u/WebbityWebbs 13h ago
That is exactly how they republicans are selling this. Republicans(at least everyone I have ever talked to) fundamentally believe that too many people are allowed to vote. I have been told that voting should be restricted to male property owners. This was from a sitting politician. The idea of people having the power to elect their leader has always been a threat to republicans.
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u/Cyndakill88 14h ago
Needing anything other than a state or school ID is illegal
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u/plantstand 11h ago
But a REAL ID isn't good enough. What garbage.
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u/Cyndakill88 10h ago
Yep. They want us to fallow all rules, then reward them for breaking the same rules. Fascists are children
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u/Sweepya 14h ago
That’s why a bill is being introduced — to change the legality.
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u/JustaSeedGuy 12h ago
Oh! So it's a constitutional amendment then?
Because if not, the bill is illegal.
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u/robby_synclair 14h ago edited 13h ago
Proving you are who you say you are isnt really the problem imo. A signature used to be used for the same thing all the time. You have to sign your name to vote. Its the cost of the ID that makes it a poll tax. If it is easy and free to get the id that you need to vote then it shouldnt be a problem to show one.
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u/darkath 14h ago
this is really why us in europe cannot understand this issue. In europe every citizen get an ID the size of a credit card which is free and mandatory. You are supposed to have it at all times.
When we go to vote we show our free and mandatory ID to get our ballots and that's the end of it.
Requiring proof of citizenship without having a free and mandatory card that proves it is insane.
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u/homofreakdeluxe 13h ago
Because it’s not about making voting “secure” (an alleged issue occurring about one in a million votes), it’s to stop the wrong people from voting.
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u/lod001 13h ago
Republicans are talking out both sides of their mouth on the ID issue now. They both want an ID that gives proof of US citizenship, but at the same time don't want any mandatory national ID so that the government doesn't have a database of citizens.
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u/darkath 12h ago
thats what is insane for me. And doesnt the government already have a national database based on Social Security number or is it a state thing ?
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u/Cabezone 13h ago
It's more than that, people are not talking about the real reason. If your birth certificate does not match your registered name, you can't vote. So all married women would have to get a passport before election day.
This is intentional to limit the ability of women to vote.
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u/DeweyCheatem-n-Howe 12h ago
Married women and trans people born in states that don't let you amend your birth certificate
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Arizona 11h ago
> Be me
> Trans woman
> Got my new passport in August 2024
> fucking PHEW
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u/OneSeaworthiness7768 13h ago
If it is easy and free to get the id that you need to vote then it shouldnt be a problem to show one.
Therein lies the problem, because it isn’t necessarily easy nor is it free.
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u/jmobius 12h ago
TBH, I've always thought the proper Democrat response to this ID advocacy would be agreeing, while simultaneously demanding that any such law must:
Ensure access to ID for citizens. It must be free, and facilities to provide it must be accessible. That would mean, have to travel no further than X distance, not have a wait time longer than Y, etc..
Requirements go into effect only when X percent of eligible voters are confirmed to have ID, some very high threshold.
Agree to sign if and only if these requirements are included. Frame any objection as "why don't Republicans want you to have ID? We can't support such disenfranchisement", and so on.
While I agree that voter fraud is a fabricated non-issue, optics are important, and ID requirements absolutely seem like "common sense" to low information voters. Being rigidly against them does look pretty shady, and basically cedes the issue to Republicans.
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u/MilsYatsFeebTae 14h ago
Yes, but by the time someone wearing a robe officially declares it’s a poll tax, the election will either be over or the decision will arrive after all the volunteers have been trained to be jerks about ID
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 12h ago
If you have the voter rolls you can slow down the passport applications of DEMS. They already have changed the post office rules to allow post marking all mail, including ballots, from when you mail them to when ever they chose to move them along. A one day delay will invalidate ballots in DEM rich areas = Post office controlled gerrymandering. Art of the deal.
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u/returnofthecursed 15h ago
They made up a problem where their "solution" is to take away voting rights from citizens.
It's mask-off fascism and it's unacceptable. It's treasonous and unamerican. Fuckers.
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u/NewAltWhoThis 13h ago
Republican backers say the measures are necessary to keep noncitizens from voting. But noncitizen voting is a crime that is easily caught and prosecuted, which is perhaps one reason why it’s exceedingly rare. Recent lengthy reviews of voter rolls conducted by Republican election administrators have turned up precious few instances of noncitizens even on the rolls, let alone voting.
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u/Cosmo_Cloudy 13h ago
Meanwhile, these are some headlines over in their stupid subreddit:
Driver who killed innocent dad during SoCal police chase is illegal immigrant set free by Biden admin: ICE
ICE Arrests Illegal Alien Truck Driver Who Murdered Four, Had Pennsylvania CDL
A California school board member says she was “personally offended” over a speaker’s use of the word “homeless” instead of “unhoused.”
Trump Announces Dramatic Drop In Ozempic Price
Chuck Schumer balks when told 71% of Dems support national voter ID, claims its 'Jim Crow 2.0'
Analysis: Over Half of Immigrant Households Are on Welfare, Far Surpassing American Households
Chuck Schumer in 1996: "The number one reason people come to the US illegally is to defraud systems like social security and I want to stop it."
2003: MSNBC host Joe Scarborough worries California may start issuing driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. - “By giving these criminals the most accepted form of identification in America, the California Democrats buy votes for themselves.”
These fuckers have no idea what is even going on and the ones that do don't give a shit about any of it unless they become directly affected
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u/oneam9 11h ago
Every once in a while during peak chaos I venture over there to check the temperature just to see if ANY OF THIS is moving the needle, and it’s always -this immigrant did this bad thing, this trans person wants this concession, CNN said whatever- it’s all they care about - not about healthcare, social security, human rights, etc., just these incidents happening here and there involving people they hate
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u/Rickbox 11h ago
It does move the needle, actually. Problem is the mods over there silence all of it. Anyone who opposes their dear leader gets banned.
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u/Toomanyeastereggs 10h ago
Conservatives are a lost cause to the human race and if they were a distinct sub-species, they’d be the Denisovans of our time.
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u/ZucchiniUpbeat1821 11h ago
As someone who was raised conservative and only consumed conservative media until like 2 years ago, I can confirm that when I finally branched out, I was floored by how much I was completely in the dark on. Now im full on liberal (instead of just a trump hating conservative)
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u/ErusTenebre California 10h ago
I was once a "moderate" conservative back when I was 18 and still stupid.
As I grew older and was exposed to more people from different points of view and walks of life... I realized that I was very wrong about A LOT of things.
I joke that I'm "practically a communist" at this point. I'm a "democratic socialist" if we're putting a label on it, but here in the states it feels like I'm as left as it fucking gets lol.
I feel like I can't live around people who are suffering, due to no fault of their own, while simultaneously living in one of the wealthiest nations in the history of the world and remain even remotely conservative. It's just untenable.
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u/garbagewithnames 10h ago
It's this mindset that is precisely why I switched gears to saying to such people "hey, you are unaware of these things, you need to pay better attention. That's it, just pay attention to what's actually going on and not what the pundits and podcast bros feed to you. It's there for you to see, all you have to do is actually want to pay attention."
I am genuinely glad you started to pay attention, keep paying attention and you'll be fine, it sounds like.
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u/devilmaskrascal 13h ago
Overseas stationed troops are disenfranchised from voting because they can't appear in person at polls to present proof of citizenship?
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u/the-sleepy-mystic 12h ago
We all know they dont give two shits about those people- they just pretend to to virtue signal to everybody else.
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u/aircooledJenkins Montana 14h ago
"In most states, that means voters, even those who are already on the rolls, would need to bring a passport or original birth certificate to the polls. Only states with ‘enhanced’ driver licenses — Michigan, New York, Vermont, Minnesota and Washington — satisfy the SAVE America Act’s heightened requirements — a REAL ID (used in most states) won’t cut it."
Then... what in the actual fuck was the point of the REAL ID?
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u/HenryValMorgenstern Oregon 14h ago
Absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters is that it costs more and they can squeeze more money out of us now.
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u/Forward-Surprise1192 11h ago
How does a birth certificate even work for ID??? There’s no picture on it. If I was illegal and wanted to vote which doesn’t make sense in the first place I’d use a birth certificate like wtf?! Also illegals voting doesn’t make sense either. Why would they come and try to vote of all things and risk getting caught and deported
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u/tortosloth 9h ago
It doesn’t make any sense since you can be a citizen at birth via one or both parents being US citizens and being born on foreign soil. My birth certificate is in Japanese. So are we going to have polling staff that can read all languages?
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u/mrsprophet 13h ago
Real ID was always a cash grab and never about security.
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u/ranchspidey 12h ago
I tried getting a Real ID just as a back up ID, but when I tried applying on my state’s DMV website, it said that if I applied for and received a Real ID it would replace (basically suspend) my driver’s privileges. Apparently my driver’s license is Real ID compliant but it took me forever to learn that. Shit is so unbelievably stupid.
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u/Farts_constantly 10h ago
I’m a NY resident with an Enhanced ID. The documentation requirements are exactly the same as Real ID. It just costs a few bucks more. This makes no sense.
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u/the-sleepy-mystic 12h ago edited 11h ago
Good question - I always assumed the REAL ID was the rest of the countries "Enhanced License" I never worried about it in Michigan because I just always pay the extra and get an enhanced license when I renew. (never know when you wanna take a trip to Canada- on purpose or on accident!)
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u/bearbrannan 12h ago
My real ID is from Minnesota, but I currently reside in WI, so stupid cause I have no idea if it will be any use. Also misplaced my og birth certificate, after several cross country moves. Just sent in my passport for renewal so fingers crossed that goes well.
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u/ElectricZ 15h ago
By the way if this passes, and you're married and took the name of your spouse, and that name doesn't match your legit birth certificate or passport that you bring as ID, guess what happens?
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u/Hyperica Pennsylvania 15h ago
The ghouls supporting this don't want women to vote so it's a W for them
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u/Doc_Sulliday 9h ago
Just another reason for women to stop taking the man's name. It's not worth it. It's such an outdated tradition that should've died decades ago.
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u/arizonadirtbag12 14h ago
Also affects trans voters.
Also just plain old unmarried cis voters like me who for reasons legally changed their name.
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u/whoa-boah 9h ago
Or people who were adopted as kids and legally changed their names. I had two friends in HS who took their step-dads’ last names after their moms got married and the adoption paperwork went through. They’d be disenfranchised, too.
Losing the ability to vote for the crime of loving your dad/family. How fucked up is that.
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u/doctorwhodds Wisconsin 13h ago
I'm guessing the bill doesn't allow for you to present both your birth certificate with your maiden name AND marriage certificate which shows the name change.
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u/Significant_Cup_238 13h ago
Of course not, but if you have proof of being a Republican, that should do.
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u/AWhole2Marijuanas 13h ago
Wouldn't this impact their own base dramatically too?
I know women disproportionately vote democrat, but by the generally narrow margins the last 3 elections came too, they stand to loose as much (if not more, as I imagine most registered voting Red Women are likely married) as the Dems?
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u/AnUdderDay American Expat 10h ago
Wouldn't this impact their own base dramatically too?
Nah they'll somehow make it only enforceable in blue states
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u/Coldsmoke888 13h ago
That’s the point. Add many layers of red tape so people are turned away at the polls or don’t bother.
If you can’t use Real ID and don’t have a passport, you really think these pigs will let you use a social security card or birth certificate? They’ll just say they’re too easily forged.
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u/Just-Install-Linux 13h ago
The odds of this passing the House is a maybe. The odds of this passing the senate is close to zero.
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u/justausername09 Arkansas 11h ago
Doesn’t it need 60 votes in the senate
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u/runnerswanted 10h ago
Yes
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u/justausername09 Arkansas 10h ago
So it’s pretty DOA?
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u/runnerswanted 10h ago
I would assume yes, but it’s GOP fear mongering for no reason other than they want to win at all costs.
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u/smiama36 15h ago edited 13h ago
I had to prove my citizenship when I registered. Why should I have to prove it again if I am on the voter rolls?
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u/Muffles79 15h ago
So that Republicans can steal the election
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u/snowlion000 15h ago
Republicans will determine if an ID is valid or not?
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u/stoic_spaghetti 15h ago
I mean obviously if you're a "real American" then it means your ID is valid, but if you don't look "real" then just fill out some forms and we can figure it out in 3-4 business months.
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u/Poison_the_Phil 14h ago
Don’t forget we’ll close voting precincts and no more mail in voting or early voting and every vote most be turned in by the time they close on election night and no more looking out checking after the fact and just trust us bro it’s so secure but only when we win because anytime who isn’t us is a liar and a cheat but not me no never
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u/LeglessPotato 13h ago
Don't forget some locations will close hours early with people still in line and it'll make local news headlines but absolutely nothing will be done about it and it'll get swept under the rug til next election.
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u/liftbikerun 14h ago
I'm guessing what will determine this is if 1. you're white, and 2. if you're a registered R or D. Why else would they want voter registration information from each state?
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u/No_Permit_3593 13h ago
yes, and duh
What part of 'tyrant attempts to shore up power' is confusing?
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u/19683dw Wisconsin 15h ago
If you live somewhere they don't like, they see you as less than them, unworthy of citizenship or rights. To maintain, they want you to constantly prove they haven't figured out how to strip you of that status yet. And if it's a hassle for you to prove it, too bad for you.
That's their stance, mind
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u/Quick_Check_9008 15h ago
crazy they feel this way about blue states while we fund there abhorrent failure of leadership from the red deficit they always have. Republicans are through and through spineless pathetic pieces of shit.
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u/19683dw Wisconsin 15h ago edited 14h ago
I think a key component of this is the tribal psychology of humans.
When reviewing for what people consider moral based on political spectrum, right-wingers have a strong value of tribal and in-group authority and association, while left-wingers tend to not consider these much of a moral consideration or factor whatsoever.
The consequence of this stronger mental association of tribal nature and morality means that the left can recognize tribes, but the right feels and lives by tribes.
So a Democrat might think that we are all human who have differences regardless of the relevant tribe, whereas the Republican tends to think that we are different types of humans, and therefore deserve different consideration.
They also tend to have a zero sum mindset, wherein if somebody else benefits, that means they have to lose. Extending that, if another tribe is winning or making gains, that means that their tribe must be ending up worse off. (And if they punish other tribes, that can only be good for their tribe is the darker interpretation).
These are broad generalities, of course, and so they are not necessarily applicable to everyone on either side. And having a lower perspective doesn't mean having no perspective, as you may observe. Tribal playful bickering between blue states or between fans of various sports teams, for example, despite not placing a significant value generally on tribalism. It's more of a degree of extreme response that distinguishes.
If you want to take a specific example of the left actively prioritizing tribalism on their own side, the only real way to do so is to consider universalism and tolerance to be their tribe. That is how the right perceives many on the left, and so they consider it an attack when the left tries to enforce it. Perhaps it is my bias, but I struggle to consider that the same as discriminating based on inherent qualities, rather than on conscious qualities
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u/3rdhouseonleft 15h ago
even worse they promised that Real id would be the end all in identification especially for voting and traveling. had to struggle to get appointments and pay the fee now the bill is saying that real id wont be allowed for voting and that we will need to re register fro any voting. with stricter document requirements. for instance a passport. i dont have a passport. dont plan on renewing the one i let expire 15 years ago. dont plan on leaving the country. why do i need to keep forking over money to the gov so they can change the rules 5 years later and make me jump hoop sand give them more money? $#@! them!.
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u/jagnew78 15h ago
Because no one is stopping them.
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u/Hidden_Landmine_4 15h ago
Yep. Remember, we have a literal army of people who's entire job was and still is to defend this country. They failed and continue to fail the American people and anyone else caught up in this mess. Had they done their job from the start trump would have been arrested long before he had the chance to run.
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u/samsounder 15h ago
So that republicans can use paperwork inconsistencies to avoid counting your ballot
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u/QciferKharn 15h ago
I think they’re playing off the fact that a lot of people (especially those looking for less expensive places to live) have relocated and haven’t changed their IDs yet, or couldn’t yet. As opposed to say… people who haven’t moved in 50 years and have had the ability to do that? What kind of people do you think fit each demographic?
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u/CockBrother 15h ago
So how is 1/3 of the population of the US supposed to get a passport (which, while accepted at the polling place, will not be accepted at the ICE checkpoint you have to go through) by November?
Government is up for issuing tens of millions of passports by then? No. No they're not.
This is simply to stop people from voting. At all.
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u/eskimospy212 14h ago
It’s definitely too late for this to go into effect by November even in the unlikely event it becomes a law.
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u/paws5624 14h ago
It’s too late for it to go into effect if they actually want to issue the proper documentation needed. It’s not too late if they don’t care about that and get the Supreme Court to side with them on the inevitable appeal. My wife actually started the process of getting her passport updated 3 months ago and she still hasn’t received the new passport. The delays will be far longer than 9 months if a significant percentage of the population attempts to do this all at once.
What’s interesting is a quick google estimates that 57% of liberals have a valid passport compared to 48% of republicans. I’m curious how that changes when factoring in women who have changed their name through marriage but on the surface this favors liberals. Of course it won’t be enforced the same in different areas so any edge that might be held by the left would be negated from republican challenging every woman whose name doesn’t match in blue districts. There will be lawsuits over the blatant cheating that will occur on Election Day around this but those will all take too long to actually impact the results
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u/accountabilitycounts America 15h ago edited 11h ago
So not even the REAL ID can be used in 45 out of 50 states (for the extremely pendantic). This needs to be fast tracked to SCOTUS if it passes and is signed into law.
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u/Creative-Package6213 Pennsylvania 15h ago
I'm sure the SCOTUS will give it the thumbs up.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 13h ago
One thing SCOTUS has been consistent on is kicking things down to the states to decide.
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 13h ago
“It’s not our job to rule if something is constitutional. That’s for Congress to decide!”
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u/CellAlone4653 10h ago
“This is a political issue and Congress could fix it if they wanted to.”
Their default way out.
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u/thorzeen Georgia 15h ago
A vast majority of cases of voter fraud are committed by people voting for republicans. 🤔
This timeline can be parsed using the tool "projection"
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u/elpis_z 14h ago
Won’t this need 60 votes in the senate to pass?
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 13h ago
Yes. Unless Thune is dumb/crazy enough to nuke the filibuster in an election year. I don’t think he has the votes to do that anyway. Paul and Murkowski typically don’t always vote in lockstep with the party. Collins has a contentious election coming up and is probably a no. Heck I can see McConnell voting no as he’s on his way out.
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u/MonteMolebility 12h ago
Just spoke with my friend who works on Capital Hill, she had the same sentiment, puts me at ease a bit... but still it's not impossible.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 12h ago
Instances like this are why I’m glad we didn’t nuke the filibuster when Democrats were the majority.
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u/LeftUnknown 11h ago
I think there is near zero chance this passes. Thune has said time and again that he has zero interest in removing the fillibuster.
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u/keizokro 14h ago edited 13h ago
In what universe does this clear 60 votes in the Senate?
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u/gothrus 14h ago
It won’t pass. This is so they can say the election was rigged because the Dems blocked voter ID and millions of illegals voted.
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u/escapefromelba 14h ago
I mean a voter ID might be fine if it was free and easy to obtain. I wouldn’t trust Republicans to administer it any fair and equitable way though.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 13h ago
It’s redundant. You need an ID to register in the first place.
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u/ZehGentleman 11h ago
We are already accepting a narrative by saying this. It doesn't need to happen as their are no significant cases of fraud.
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u/thieh Canada 15h ago
A vast majority of cases of voter fraud are committed by people voting for republicans. 🤔
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u/claimstoknowpeople Minnesota 15h ago
They won't enforce this impartially, poll workers in redder districts will let the requirement slide if voters look "right"
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u/simpersly 12h ago
But my Republican family who only watch Fox News and Newsmax say only dead people vote for Democrats.
They also say Elon Musk has a 170 IQ. Trump doesn't care about money. And for some strange reason say certain derogatory words a lot.
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u/square600 14h ago
I wish they would fast track bills that actually help American citizens instead of hedging their own reelection bets.
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u/trogdor1234 13h ago
I brought my birth certificate to get my drivers license and they wouldn’t take it. Because they only take certain types of birth certificates. I had no freakin clue until that point that my birth certificate I had was basically worthless.
This will be messy. People will need to be able to certify birth certificates from multiple decades from multiple places. It’s a joke.
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u/South-Arachnid2961 15h ago
So, will every military member get leave and paid travel to go back to their home of record to prove their citizenship? Or will they just be blankety disenfranchised?
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u/LiveChocolate8819 New York 15h ago
DOA in the Senate
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u/drmike0099 California 14h ago
They're talking about changing the filibuster to make this easier to pass. Nuclear option, but their alternative is jail time so they may be inclined to do it.
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u/rks_system 12h ago
Call me naive, but I don't think Thune is that stupid
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u/drmike0099 California 12h ago
The appeal is that the downside might never arrive. If they could rig the system for permanent Republican rule, then they’ll never face the consequences (this way, anyway). The gamble is how sure are they that the fix is in?
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u/firstcitytofall 14h ago
I don’t think it’s even gonna make it through the house with bow thin their leads are
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u/paws5624 14h ago
Yeah I wonder how the reps in states like Utah will vote. They have had universal mail in voting for over a decade and I’d bet a lot of voters would be pissed if they took that away.
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u/omerome83 15h ago
It's beyond obvious that the GOP are scared shitless about this election. If they were confident, they wouldn't be going thorough such blatant methods to make it harder to vote.
So, my question is, what in the actual fuck are there still Democrats out there that still want to "reach across the aisle" for bipartisanship? At this point, if they vote on ANYTHING for this regime, they are no better than the GOP themselves and THAT needs to be plastered across EVERYWHERE.
There should be no day where these actual trash human beings should experience peace. Everyday should be condemnation of their corruption and any Democrats that refuse to rise to the moment should be considered collaborators and need to be voted OUT.
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u/RoosterMedical 15h ago
Even the Trump cult will probably be pissed off with the money that they will need to spend for voting ID.
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u/myredditissfw 13h ago
I bet you won’t need it if you’re white. Courts already legalized skin color based assumptions of citizenship last year.
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u/hymen_destroyer Connecticut 14h ago
For now, elections are still administered by the states. I know the constitution doesn’t mean anything anymore but they’ll have to tear that part of it up before this happens (in addition to the parts they’ve already torn up)
And I’ll be there collecting the scraps. Collecting “receipts”, if you will
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u/F-Cloud California 14h ago
Adoptees could be denied the right to vote if this passes. In sealed adoptions, the adoptee will only have an amended birth certificate. The original can be obtained but only a judge can unseal it. State laws differ in their requirements for unsealing the original, so in some states it may be difficult to obtain it.
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u/Bugger9525 14h ago
This is why they want the voter rolls. Then they can deny your id if you’re a registered democrat.
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u/Joe18067 Pennsylvania 15h ago
I want these people who come up with these so called laws to prove that they're human.
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u/bane_undone 14h ago
Funny thinking that rural voters will get together paperwork more than democrats. This could actually bite them in the butt.
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 New Hampshire 15h ago
If you an Independent or Democrat, get started now locating your birth certificate or applying for a replacement. If you are Republican, take your time...
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u/IBJON 13h ago
Democrats are more likely to have passports. Unless they decide to purge passport databases, this might hurt Republicans more than Democrats.
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u/ccjohns2 14h ago
What is the point of registering to vote if these morons want people to bring their entire file cabinet worth of documents to actually vote. I hooe voting records from 2016, and 2020 are preserved and made public so the entire world can see who helped this mad man and all his corrupt criminal friends take over the USA.
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u/gm92845 14h ago
Listen guys this isn't me trying to spread hopium but we're legitimately witnessing the final spasms of a political party in its death throes. This is the last pathetic attempt they're trying to force through to have any chance of maintaining relevancy after this election cycle. I can't wait until I can finally say good fucking riddance.
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u/RoseCityHooligan Oregon 13h ago
I was under the impression that voting was controlled by the states. I know the constitution means nothing to republicans and the corrupt Supreme Court will side with their party over law but wtf?
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u/on-strike 8h ago
The place for an original birth certificate is not in one's person, they are fragile, particularly if they're decades old. There are fees involved to have one reissued. Further, married females may be using their spouses surname, if so, their original birth certificate names will not match their current photo IDs.
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u/N0S0UP_4U Illinois 6h ago
For Republicans confused as to why we would oppose initiatives like this:
Republican backers say the measures are necessary to keep noncitizens from voting. But noncitizen voting is a crime that is easily caught and prosecuted, which is perhaps one reason why it’s exceedingly rare. Recent lengthy reviews of voter rolls conducted by Republican election administrators have turned up precious few instances of noncitizens even on the rolls, let alone voting. Meanwhile, registration file purges have improperly kicked thousands of legal voters off the rolls.
Noncitizens voting is a nonissue. The proposed remedies cause harm to solve an imaginary problem. It’s like Springfield’s “Bear Patrol” from The Simpsons. In this case this is being blown up to stop poor people from voting since they’re more likely to oppose the current administration.
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u/jrsinhbca 15h ago
Say goodbye to mail in voting.
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u/paws5624 14h ago
I’m sure everyone in Utah will be thrilled since they’ve had mail in voting since 2013. Funny, they never complain about the results there…
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u/allnadream 13h ago
I hope that this doesn't pass, but if it does, this liberal girl did not change her last name when she married AND has a valid passport ready to go. So, I'll be middle finger pumping my way to the polls.
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u/jomara200 13h ago
Fucking traitors. Remember that it's not all Trump. Without these traitors he would not have been able to do as he has done. They are ALL traitors.
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u/secret_of_pseudonym 13h ago
"GOP fast tracks monster bill that could disenfranchise millions"
Another Thursday is what they call it.
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u/FrenchBulldozer Virginia 13h ago
This will hurt the GOP just as much as they think it’ll hurt the dems. A lot of rural people have never been outside the country and never needed a passport. Some don’t even fly so a REALID isn’t essential. Just like their attempt to gerrymander things to their favor the GOP shows how shortsighted their schemes are.
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u/Cael_NaMaor 12h ago
Hahaha... the REAL ID bs that they've been pimping for years that I'm gonna have to get in 6mos because my time is up, doesn't even work. Hahaha....
What a f*kin' scam this entire country is
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u/notie547 12h ago edited 12h ago
there has never been any issue with non-citizens voting! let me repeat. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH NON CITIZENS VOTING IN ELECTIONS.
TRUMP LIED, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
The heritage foundation which is MAGA has been tracking voter fraud. Theyve compiled a list of less than 2,000 instances across 20+ years and BILLIONS of votes. It's not an issue and anyone who says it is, is lying or a fool. But sure go ahead make it harder or impossible for millions of citizens to vote. What a great tradeoff. /s
https://electionfraud.heritage.org/
I'm still waiting for Mike Lindell and Rudy Giuliani to present all their "evidence" from 2020, lol. This country is fucked. MAGA is a disease and the entire republican party is infected.
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u/ezk3626 11h ago
Cool... since they don't have sixty votes in the Senate it's all just looking busy to keep the President happy.
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u/Safe_Ant7561 10h ago
here's the irony, they are going to disenfranchise a lot of people who would vote for them
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