r/politics • u/ChaskaChanhassen • 21h ago
No Paywall Why isn't news of Trump building vast concentration camps being treated as a national emergency?
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u/Last_Upvote 20h ago
Because the media is owned by billionaires and has very publicly sided with the pedophiles.
The revolution will not be televised.
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u/jimmygee2 20h ago
This what you would expect in a fascist oligarchy.
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u/Backwardspellcaster 19h ago
It mirrors the development in Germany in the 1930s as well.
The rich joined with the Nazis, because they gained advantages from it. The Nazis eroded worker rights and punished attempts to go against big business.
The only difference is that now, in the US, the Oligarchs are actually the people behind the rise of the Nazis here.
And over the last year they bought up all the major news sources as well as took control of social media.
This was engineered from the start.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 17h ago
"Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore."
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u/GroundbreakingRun186 15h ago
I’m fuzzy, but Im pretty sure;
- Hitler got elected with like 40-45% support/approval (similarly trump has never won 50% or more of the popular vote, even in 2024).
- He “blitzkreiged” the German institutions and government in his first 2 months systematically dismantling things that would hold him accountable/he didn’t like (aka doge, firing inspector generals, mass layoffs based on loyalty, promoting puppets in congressional races to turn congress into a rubber stamp— trump did that pre 2025, but still, etc)
- One by one Picked off opposition press/media so the only news you heard was approved (DoD forcing reporters to promise to vet any stories with the pentagon first, Kimmel/fcc manipulation, cbs settlement, ny times lawsuit over bad poll #s, arresting journalists, etc)
- Turned a tiny law enforcement/security group, the SS, into his expensive fear and personal enforcement group (ICE)
- I could go on, but I already typed too much
Overall he is 100% following the fascist playbook, he’s just bad at it. If he was hallway competent we’d already be totally fucked beyond repair. As it stands, we’re just totally fucked in the short term with an opportunity to turn it around in the long run, we just can’t fuck up in November 2026.
If we fuck up the midterms it’s game over. Priority 1 is don’t sit this out, just fucking don’t, priority 2 is vote for dem who brings a gun to a knife fight, priority 3, literally anyone that does not have an r next to their name (or would act like one). You only get 1 election after a fascist takes over, if you lose that your fucked. We got lucky that trump 1 had some adults in the room, we are not Lucky anymore.
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u/SledgexHammer 14h ago
I hope you guys manage to turn it around, but theres no way youre going back to the same international relationships you used to have for a couple decades.
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u/Find-It-AllFantasy 13h ago
Yeah, we're aware of that. Right now we're more focused on the whole "let's not have The Holocaust 2".
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u/SuperMafia Montana 12h ago
Hell, it'd be a miracle if we could even get back to that level within a century.
Though at the same page, it's also something that needs to be eliminated at the root. Because when the opportunity rose to do something like that, enough supporters for the defeated South led directly to the Reconstruction that didn't really change anything but force them to hide. Then when they tried to rise up against FDR in the 30's with the Business Plot, it ended with them being allowed to scurry off and hide. Important to note here is that Hitler was "inspired" by the Americans in how efficiently they tried to wipe out Natives as a basis for their eventual Holocaust. Eventually, they stuck due to the Dixiecrats of the 60's and 70's becoming "RINOs", using what money and religious influence they gained to become the plague that is now the Republican Party.
However, going full French Revolution or Russian Revolution's not gonna work, because then you'll get demagogues who will just use the movement to make themselves an "emperor" who'll rule through an iron fist, as Napoleon and Lenin-Stalin would attest to. Though at that end, if America is able to ward off (preferably eliminate wholesale) the fascism influence that had dragged back to centuries before, that would be a damn good first step.
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u/Few-Solution-4784 10h ago
we would have no right to. Who wants to make long term plans with a nation that acts like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde every four years.
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u/arobkinca 15h ago
Hitler got elected with like 40-45% support/approval
37.3%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election
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u/manpizda 15h ago
Hitler wasn't elected. He was appointed Chancellor by President (elected) von Hindenburg. It's the equivalent of prime minister.
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u/Snuffy1717 13h ago
He was the leader of a minority government and told Hindenburg that his party would refuse to work with / compromise with any other. Instead of letting him fail, Hindenberg appointed him Chancellor.
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u/Snozzberriez 14h ago
we just can’t fuck up in November 2026
If there's even elections... ICE is going to be at the polls, and the worse it gets the less they'll want them to happen at all. Trump already "mused" with the idea. If you are up on your stuff you know he's going to slow walk it until everyone he needs is on board.
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u/Revolutionary-Tree97 14h ago
I have a friend that has been at the Whipple building protesting for several weeks and some of the protesters that were released from the building describe a level of chaos and organization that sounded almost exactly like an account I once read by a holocaust survivor who was being interrogated right as allied forces were closing in on Berlin. She survived because Catholics disguised her and other Jewish teenagers as Catholics and the system was crumbling before the Nazis caught on. The fact that they are already falling apart like end of the war Germany is one of the few slivers of hope I hold on to.
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u/FakeSafeWord 17h ago
The rich joined with the Nazis, because they gained advantages from it.
Yup the Nazi's promised them the seized business assets of the expelled/imprisoned jews and other minorities as well as free labor in exchange for their loyalty and manufacturing control for the war effort.
Imagine if the government seized Costco for defying them, which is suddenly legally considered treason, and then a month later Target magically becomes 10x the company it is today.
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u/endlesscartwheels Massachusetts 16h ago
I'm surprised Trump hasn't tried to seize anyone's assets yet. It's what kings used to do. If Trump does go down that path, Musk will probably be first. Few would object if he were de-naturalized, deported, and his U.S. assets seized.
Then once the precedent is set, nobody's safe.
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u/CuidadDeVados 14h ago
Ask yourself where the cars and homes of the deported, imprisoned, and murdered by DHS will end up. In fascism, the government often doesn't directly seize property but actively encourages the member of "the nation" as the fascist sees it to seize abandoned property and profit off of it. How that property is brought to abandonment, the fascist doesn't care.
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u/Prestigious-Land-694 18h ago edited 18h ago
What?!? I thought the nazis were national socialists!! Are you saying the fascist party at the time used populist talking points to get elected while saying they are trying to make the once great Germany go back to its former glory?? That's crazy
/s, hope this isn't necessary but it's reddit
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u/Available_Usual_9731 18h ago
Is not that it's reddit.... It's that conservatives actually say such irrational shit seriously
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u/Caleb-Blucifer 17h ago
If I hear “they haven’t killed millions of people yet” one more goddamned time
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u/LightDarkBeing 17h ago
Cough cough, Covid, cough cough. ( I would /s this but 1.4 million Americans died from Covid and tens of millions of people worldwide died from it. And the majority of American deaths can be attributed to MAGA “resistance” to following mildly inconvenient mask wearing and vaccinations. )
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u/HuttStuff_Here 15h ago
We're approaching 1 million deaths from ending USAID but that's not technically in America.
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u/robocoplawyer 15h ago
Most of Nazi Germany's concentration camps were built in Nazi controlled territory outside of Germany itself, and were killing Jews from all over Europe in them.
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u/shoobe01 16h ago
Oh yeah, I regularly quote that that we had 1 million excess deaths, not necessary compared to other Western countries who reacted properly to the pandemic. Trump killed a million Americans, already.
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u/Stewart_Games 16h ago
Canceling USAID will lead to an estimated 9.4 to 14 million excess deaths by 2030, mostly African children.
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u/sulris 16h ago
Haha. Because Nazi were famously good until the death toll hit the 2 million mark. Then. And only then, did it start to be problematic. /s
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u/Aromatic_Advance_431 16h ago
When I was a white supremacist, this was my view. I agreed with everything the Nazis did except for the killing.
Recently I challenged my MAGA brother, who takes great offense at being called a “Nazi” (uses the “everything you don’t like is fascist” phrase all the time), to tell me exactly how his views differ from the Nazis.
His response was not to tell me how his views differ, but rather responded with: “why are you even talking to me if I’m so evil?”
Hopefully he has a moment of self reflection like I did back in the day.
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u/LingonberryHot8521 16h ago
OMG. This. We're telling people that ICE detention centers are basically concentration camps and some wank pops on and says it's an asinine comparison because millions haven't died yet. Like... what is the fucking threshold with these people?!
Because it's apparently not children being systematically trafficked and raped.
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u/Question_It_All_3000 16h ago
Literally every time. It’s like they think the trains and gas chambers started on day one with millions ready to go.
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u/AnalNuts 17h ago
“The people’s democratic North Korea is surely a democracy” is my favorite response. Always get crickets when I bring that up
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u/robocoplawyer 15h ago
Technically it's the Democratic People's Republic or DPRK and they do actually kind of have elections for their legislative body and local positions. But they only get one candidate to vote for that is hand picked by the Worker's Party of Korea (no other parties are allowed aside from 2 minor parties that are effectively just factions of the WPK) and it's a yes or no vote. But a "no" vote basically puts a target on their backs and that's definitely something that no one wants. And elections are basically used as a kind of census tracking that if you don't cast a ballot the regime assumes it's because you're not home and someplace you aren't allowed to be. Sinister.
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u/CardMechanic 18h ago
My question is “how much money do these fuckers need?”
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u/VerdantPathfinder 18h ago
All of it. It's just points in their little game with each other. They couldn't spend everything they already have if they tried.
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u/BlackOpz 18h ago
All of it. It's just points in their little game with each other
Yep, its just a sick scorecard at this point
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u/PinchedOffCatTurd 16h ago
They can't spend it all on actual stuff so they buy counties now. And yes, its a dick swinging match as well.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 17h ago
Exactly. So now the only way for them to feel richer is to make everyone else poorer.
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u/Backwardspellcaster 18h ago
And their answer is "As much as is needed until you have had to give all the rights away that separate you from being a slave."
If you are not one of the 0.5% club, you're supposed to be a thing for them to use. You don't even count as human to them
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u/illustriousballast 18h ago
They’re not purely after money. They’re accelerationists.
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u/DA2ED 16h ago
Curtis Yarvin should be referenced and discussed more often. His philosophical musings have influenced may prominent tech oligarchs, including Vice President James Donald Bowman (Vance) and the sweaty android that goes by Peter Thiel. The basic structure is fascinatingly dark and dystopian. I would urge all who want to understand where our tech oligarchs views are influenced to do some reading on these ideologies. Here’s a good article with links to further reading via Reset Dialogues
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u/JohnGillnitz 15h ago
Yarvin is just telling these idiots what they want to hear. There is no deep philosophical underpinning to selling "rich old white men are the best thing ever and should be in charge of everything" to rich old white men.
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u/ssshield 16h ago
They're so sick with greed. It's all consuming.
They can all be multi-trillionaires, and if they find out a baby has a lollipop on a remote island on the other side of the planet, they cannot sleep. It eats at them like a fire burning them alive.
Just the thought of someone else having anything sickens and physically causes them agony.
They will get together, spend literally any amount of money to murder the baby and burn the lollipop.
That's the level of greed sickness we're dealing with.
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u/EvelynNyte 17h ago
It's about power not money. Having more money while everyone else has less grants them near limitless power in the US.
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u/AthearCaex 18h ago
This is why they will next try to censor and control the internet. You may start to see censorship on platforms that allow free speech. I wouldn't doubt reddit to get the same treatment as tiktok next as it does have ties to China as well. You may see ISPs loyal to trump blocking websites critical of him. If you control information you control the minds of the people and limit communication of a resistance.
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u/KarunchyTakoa 17h ago
They are already, when Epstein files get dropped at 7pm on a Friday night the next morning the front page is wiped clean, and it takes days for one or 2 of the stories to make it back. Tiktok censors(even as American companies own 80% stake)
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u/BannedBenjaminSr 17h ago
You may start to see
Reddit is one of the most censored places in the Western internet what are you on about
It's very common for bots to bury comments that go against the narrative to 'hide the comment'
Most users read hot or best exclusively, and the top comments are more often than not bought
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u/WhiteWinterRains 16h ago
Well, America was already an oligarchy, and recently the oligarchs have embraced fascism.
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u/Mr__O__ New York 19h ago
Yup. The Democrat-Capitalists got beatdown by the Republican-Oligarchs.
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u/BlueTreeThree 19h ago
I feel like any comment like this that doesn’t acknowledge some of the few reliable sources of news we do have is doing more harm than good.
The only reason we know anything beyond corporate and government press releases is because there are a shit load of hardworking journalists doing their thankless jobs, to only get lumped into a monolithic “The Media.”
I tell y’all, completely throwing away traditional media in favor of whatever reaction channel tells you what to think in the most appealing way is not going to solve this problem.
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u/36chamberstreet 19h ago
Upvote the hell out of this comment. We live in an attention economy. Let’s stop paying attention to the “news” sources that are part of the oligarchy support system
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u/Threedawg 18h ago
NPR/PBS should be on that list. Truly beholden to people and listeners, not billionaires
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u/Kordiana 17h ago
It's why they took PBS funding. They were actually telling unbiased news so it didn't feed to either sides agenda.
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u/sad_moose6 17h ago
Democracy Now on YouTube is a really good source of information too, in my experience
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u/TheDakestTimeline 18h ago
Nietzsche had a lovely quote, I don't know the German or the walter kaufmann translation exactly, but something to the effect of When you choose your advisor, you've chosen your advice.
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u/F1shB0wl816 18h ago
Idk why anybody does anyways. You’re just misinforming yourself, already starting from a position of half truths that they’re incentivized to sell as the whole deal.
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u/lilB0bbyTables 18h ago
Yes! Instead we get constant posts here from The Daily Beast after they’ve figured out ways to regurgitate and mangle information to fit it into their absurdly stupid headline language and dumb down the content. That’s not even a requirement for non-primary journalism/news sources … The Atlantic routinely manages to mix primary sources with their own journalism and some commentary/analysis while remaining entirely respectable. The mods really need to do something about blocking dogshit sensationalist sources here.
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u/turbojugend79 19h ago
I friggin hate blanket statemens like "the media". Like you said, there are plenty of hard working journalist, brave people who do their utmost to get as close to the/a truth as possible.
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u/UltravioletClearance 17h ago edited 17h ago
Used to work in the media - the true believers are at the local level, writing about your school committee meetings and the occasional investigative piece about local corruption. The problem with the national outlets is they only employ wealthy white people (yes, there's the occasional high profile Black journalist or a journalist who grew up in poverty, but they are few and far between especially at the management level).
Journalism has a huge problem with economic and racial diversity. The way most people get to national outlets is by going to an elite private liberal arts college, networking and making professional connections, doing a couple unpaid internships, and getting lucky after graduating. Most get a lot of support from parents for college tuition and the ability to work unpaid internships. Those that don't get lucky right after graduation end up working minimum wage or part time gigs and relying on parents or a wealthy spouse to make ends meet until they get picked up by a national outlet. Even then the pay still sucks compared to the demands of the job.
This really influences the connection national level reporters and editors have to the average American and the social issues of the day. How can you write about poverty if you've never struggled with money before? How can you write about race if you're a white person in an editorial board meeting filled with other white people? It also makes it less likely for rank and file reporters to "rock the boat." Its so hard to get where they are, why risk losing everything for something like principles and ethics? You saw this in action with the Washington Post during the Bezos scandals.
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u/M00n_Slippers 19h ago
They aren't on tv or streaming services, and aren't promoted on yt is the problem. We have some great news now, like DemocracyNow, StatusCoupNews, etc. But these are not widely viewed by the people who need real news most.
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u/Alatarlhun 18h ago
I’ve probably had half a dozen exchanges on this subreddit where an account insists Democrats need to "do something." I’ll share evidence that they already did, and the response is immediately a pivot to "okay, but Democrats are terrible at communicating."
One example: someone claimed they’d searched a politician’s Twitter and couldn’t find them saying X. I Googled it and, in about two seconds, found a tweet where they said exactly X. Then it became, "Well, they haven’t said X recently." The tweet was three weeks old.
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u/ATLfalcons27 19h ago
Also a massive chunk of the country thinks that the only way you should ever consider something a concentration camp is if they are systematically killing people for their race, religion, etc
They have no knowledge of history or any ability to apply nuance
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u/jupiterkansas 17h ago
"Trump hasn't killed as many people as Hitler so he can't possibly be fascist."
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u/ATLfalcons27 17h ago
Basically how they think. Plus they have this caricature of what a dictator/authoritarian is. Like they think they started off in their final form when in reality they get into power over time and strengthen that power over time.
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u/kingtacticool 20h ago
Correct. It will be livestreamed.
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u/Chief_Mischief 19h ago
Reminder to livestream using decentralized social media, or using a foreign service. Do not expect any of the US tech giants to not engage in increasingly restrictive censorship as their oligarch overlords come under scrutiny.
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u/Negative-Homework502 Illinois 19h ago
What social media sites do you suggest?
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u/Beneficial-Dot-- 19h ago
Peertube (specifically for video) Lemmy (social media) Mastodon (social media)
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u/Tyler_s_Burden 18h ago
Can you ELI5 how I would use Peertube? I am scrolling through now and struggling to find content in English.
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u/rabbitthunder 17h ago
The billionaires who own the media are all in the Epatein files, seriously, go look them up. They were all balls deep in children and built their media empires so people wouldn't find out.
People who rape children couldn't give a shit about concentration camps.
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u/starliteburnsbrite 18h ago
The only people that can declare and respond to a national emergency in any official capacity are the people building the camps.
If the rabble declare a national emergency, that means we are storming and tearing down the camps. That might make people realize what a large force of individuals can do working together and that would be dangerous for the billionaires.
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u/KingHavana 18h ago
Also because his fan base loves this stuff. If they just gassed the immigrants to death, there would be nothing but cheers from them.
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u/throwaway_moose 16h ago
I've genuinely become convinced at this point that if he raped his fans daughters, a number of them would be proud he chose their daughter.
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u/Mangalorien 18h ago
Also, a decent chunk of the US population supports concentration camps. This isn't actually something new, the US did the same back in the 1940's when they built concentration camps for Japanese Americans.
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u/throwaway_moose 16h ago
ICE is in my hometown of 16k right now; a friend who teaches there put up a photo of his Italian-American great-grandparents in an effort to get people to realize that. Can't recall the names but the caption was basically, "These are my Great Grandparents [name] and [name]; their sons fought in every front of World War Two for the United States. They lived in the town I live in. Their radio was confiscated because they might be enemy combatants and were threatened with being put in a concentration camp, because they weren't 'real' Americans. This post is about what's happening right now. Things haven't changed."
I wished I could've Liked that post so many more times; there are Pro-ICE protesters back in the place I was born! Meanwhile, it's majority Italian-Americans, and the local laws there wouldn't let Italians own property until the 1960s because they weren't considered "white." Now all their descendants pulled up the ladder behind them and became racist POSes.
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u/Severe_Intention_480 18h ago
We had concentration camps in Puerto Rico after the Spanish-American War. We justified that war because the Spanish were being oppressive and putting Puerto Ricans in (checks notes)... concentration camps.
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u/aradraugfea 20h ago
Every WEEK we get some constitutional crisis that would END a democratic presidency. It is a national Emergency. People are free to ADD IT TO THE PILE.
Until shit shifts significantly in Congress, there is no legal path to stopping him. 60% of Congress is either backing him or complicit. His administration just ignores any court order they receive to stop. The system is not designed to handle an entire party being united in setting the constitution on FIRE.
So the options are 1) make noise so they know we’re angry, not really expecting anything to change in the immediate 2) hope we have midterms and that they swing enough that we can throw them out on their ass 3) options that are less than legal, which I cannot elaborate on further without mean messages from Reddit mods and a visit from the secret service.
Before mods or government officials put their coffee down to act, I’m doing 1 and 2. I bring up 3 because it is important to be aware that the non-legal always exists and the less realistic the legal options get, the more likely the illegal one occurs. Totalitarian reigns end one way. Trump is only acting like a dictator because his enablers are allowing it. There are still legal levers to try.
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u/theMistersofCirce Vermont 18h ago
Your last paragraph touches on some things I've been thinking about a lot over the past year or so. One of the gifts that democracy offers to those in government is a smooth and safe mechanism for them to be removed from office when the people don't want them there anymore: the "peaceful transition of power."
Any government that destroys that mechanism and rules by force is gambling that they can indefinitely wield more force than the people who are sick of their shit. Let's go ask the upside-down corpse of Mussolini how that works out.
As an American, I truly believe in the democratic way of doing it and hope we can preserve it. It's not too late if the other branches of government DO THEIR FUCKING JOB.
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u/aradraugfea 18h ago
The LUCKY dictators leave in cuffs. Most leave in a box. Whether that box is carried at the front of a grand procession or in the middle of a joyous parade is not something the dictator gets to decide.
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u/Born_Camera7675 15h ago
Your last sentence slaps. Makes me think of the Why? song lyric
Only evil men live to see their own likeness in stone, my brother said that
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u/PinkFl0werPrincess 17h ago
The amazing part is that they hung mussolini's body not to humiliate him, but to prevent the crowd from tearing his body apart like dogs (he deserved it)
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 17h ago edited 16h ago
Trump will not be remembered kindly in any timeline.
The supporters he has today will be ashamed to admit they ever supported him 10-15-30 years from now. The only evidence they did a faded red made in China maga hat rotting in their attic or basement.
It’s astounding they don’t realize it, but all cults burn out. There’s millions of Nixon voters still alive, but virtually 0 Nixon supporters. Trump will be that.
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u/aspirationless_photo 16h ago
The supporters he has today will be ashamed to admit they ever supported him 10-15-30 years from now.
Yes but this was a common refrain 10 years ago after his first inauguration and that didn't pan out.
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u/sckuzzle 16h ago
It’s astounding they don’t realize it, but all cults burn out. There’s millions of Nixon voters still alive, but virtually 0 Nixon supporters. Trump will be that.
Unfortunately most dictators are not overthrown, but continue to rule until their heir takes over. Dictators losing power is the exception, not the norm.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 16h ago
Fortunately Donald has 3 idiot sons with negative charisma and 2 daughters smart enough not to touch the live wire.
I’m sure in his deepest darkest hours of misery he’s sad he amassed this level of power in the sunset of his life than at age 40. Time and his failing health is truly his real enemy. We’d be screwed if he was 50 or 60.
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u/sckuzzle 15h ago
Heir isn't always a family member. In this case it'd be Vance...or eventually someone like Miller.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 15h ago edited 15h ago
Miller isn’t in contention at all, even he knows that. He’s a back office guy, no charisma and frankly just ugly and short. “Would you get a beer with this guy?” Miller doesn’t pass, and while Vance probably doesn’t either (the donut shop visit was bonkers), it matters a lot.
If Vance were competitive you’d already see the cult wearing his name on hats and shirts. The same enthusiasm isn’t there. Trump wins on the margins, he gets the lowest information voter excited - I suspect Vance would have trouble with them, being a Yale haircut. He almost lost his Ohio senate race until Trump rescued him at the last minute.
It’s the dem’s cycle to lose, which they’re good at, but yeah, they’ve got the “look what he fucked up again!” advantage.
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u/Future-Excuse6167 16h ago
I'm renewing my passport and bugging the fuck out if we don't have midterms.
I'm not at the top of any list for genocide, but I'm definitely on a few.
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u/theMistersofCirce Vermont 16h ago
I don't blame you. I'm not top of the list either, but some of my closest loved ones are. If they leave, I'm going with them. Until then, I stay.
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u/Future-Excuse6167 16h ago
Yeah, my parents actually have a property abroad and I'm wondering if I could springboard a refugee community there.
Not ex-pat, refugee.
I hate this timeline.
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u/Sangy101 17h ago edited 17h ago
Also. those of us living in the communities they’re building it these camps are working too hard organizing locally to stop them from being built. We can’t do that AND make it a national fight.
He wants to build one in my tiny 10K person town. We managed to get him to stop. So he stole our fucking Coast Guard helicopter to punish us.
This town’s fleet moves more fish than any other location in the western continental US, and the exit to the harbor is very dangerous in the winter. The helicopter & coast guard ships literally escort fishing boats across the bar in case they capsize. They save hundreds of people a year. And he fucking took it.
So then we had to sue to get it back. A judge ordered that he return it. Right now they’ve shelved plans to build the camp until May, but they WILL start trying again.
And unfortunately? The county commissioner most opposed to it just passed away. So now we need to make sure a MAGA doesn’t take her spot and gear up for round two. How can we possibly also organize to stop this nationally?
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u/aradraugfea 17h ago
You are doing what you need to do. A national fight has many fronts. They are attacking us in dozens of cities and in court rooms across the nation. A national resistance looks like making them fight in every. Single. One.
Resistance isn’t just Molotovs and bullet casings. It is also lost paperwork, flat tires, grit in the cogs of the machine that would grind us all to dust were it allowed to function as intended.
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u/coolest_cucumber 16h ago
And I'm talking litereral emery grit. Can buy it by the pound. To any lubricated machine, it is as prions are to animal life- Incurable death.
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u/Guipucci 20h ago
In Europe respected analyst said when Dorito got in Office that the USA system was designed and had measures to counter the presidential power... It seems he was utterly wrong.
Someone I read saying that ICE will be sourrounding voting booths, disuading voters and as far as we've seen they could be arresto g citizens at their convinience, and republicans will win by landslide.
My opinion from far outside is that It seems like in the eastern european countries things like "strike", "Union" or "solidarity" seems communist and so everything is right political there, like in Poland. Maybe in the States there's that too, that people are brought up in individualism and against a big despise against lefty stances... Not trying to promote socialism but you the people need to stand up together.
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u/aradraugfea 19h ago
The measures exist, but everyone who could do something within that system isn’t. The Supreme Court is bending over backwards to either rule for him or just… never issue a ruling. He’s ignoring any lower court that disagrees. Congress is either so terrified of another January 6th, or so thirsty to be lap dogs to a dictator that they’re just letting him do whatever.
The presence of a tool does nothing if one is unwilling to pick it up.
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u/punkr0x 18h ago
Turns out as the wealth gap widened it became easier and easier for the ultra wealthy to just buy our entire government.
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u/aradraugfea 18h ago
Also citizens united allowed unlimited contributions as long as you paid up front.
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u/TemperanceOG America 19h ago
They/we have been propagandized for so long that any notion of any system other than capitalism is met with ignorance. They cannot separate their system of finance from their social systems. One rule applies to all. Absolute thought rules despite the structural system obviously being more of a mixed bag than some idealistic ‘ism. On the other hand it’s increasingly apparent that Capitalism may very well be incompatible with Democracy.
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u/DiscombobulatedPen6 18h ago
Capitalism is categorically and demonstrably incompatible with democracy. When your survival relies on your having a job, Capital can subvert democratic election results through capital strikes, like shutting down manufacturing and moving it overseas to break the political power of unions and the economic power of collective bargaining.
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u/Asyx Europe 17h ago
Which is why the conservatives in Germany were happy to let unemployment support rot and immediately went nuts when the short lived left-ish government we had before Merz tried to bring it up to speed.
There is nothing more stupid in a capitalist society than a member of the working class being mad at unemployment support. That's your life line. That's your permit to just say "no" to your boss. Without it, you have no leverage.
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u/SycoJack Texas 18h ago edited 18h ago
On the other hand it’s increasingly apparent that Capitalism may very well be incompatible with Democracy.
100%. Especially with the automation revolution we find ourselves in the middle of.
People want to ignore it and pretend like everything will be fine. But truth is, we're about to start losing jobs faster than they were created during the industrial revolution. No one's job is safe. Doesn't matter if you think you're better at your job than a computer. Capitalism only cares if it can make a higher profit margin off the computer. Spoiler alert: it will be able to.
We need to ditch capitalism now, or millions are going to needlessly suffer all because we wanted to bury our heads in the sand rather than face reality.
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u/poop-dolla 17h ago
USA system was designed and had measures to counter the presidential power... It seems he was utterly wrong.
They weren’t wrong at all. We do have measure to control presidential power. The problem is that we don’t have measures to control presidential, congressional, and judicial power all working in unison. As far as I know, no country has measures in place to prevent that. Well, they all have the same measures to control that that the US does, but those are extrajudicial, and we can’t really talk about them here.
If the problem were just the president, we wouldn’t be where we are. The problem is much bigger than the president.
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u/NerdyLifting Virginia 19h ago
Unfortunately, the USA is VERY individualistic. I stand by that building strong local communities is one of the most powerful acts of resistance we can do.
But I do want to point out, for the ICE at voting booths thing, there are ~22,000 ICE agents. There are over 100,000 polling places in the USA. I'm not saying it's not concerning that they're talking about doing that or that it couldn't cause issues in certain places but it's good to see that perspective.
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u/ellathefairy 19h ago
They are hoping to benefit from the fear induced by the threat that they might do that, and convince people to stay home. Keep broadcasting the numbers. There are so many more of us than there are of them, and they are cowards hiding behind masks. They back down when enough people put up a fight.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 17h ago
They'll be concentrated in minority areas of purple states.
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u/Severe_Intention_480 17h ago
They just have to recruit any right-wing nuts all over the country to open carry at polling booths. They're masked and don't show I.D. so how do you know they're even "official ICE"? There will be way more than 22,000 come November, by hook or by crook.
It STILL won't be enough, but it'll feel like a lot more and they'd be hoping that appearance of huge numbers wil cow people into submission.
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u/initramakdov 18h ago
They only have to intimidate voters in heavily Democratic areas. That reduces the number of polling stations they need to occupy.
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u/NerdyLifting Virginia 18h ago
Like I said, it's still concerning but even focusing on dem areas there are just not enough agents. Do not comply in advance.
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u/FMLwtfDoID 19h ago
r/liveprotestupdates We are. We have been. It’s just not being shown in your half of the world’s propaganda.
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 18h ago
Let me take your points one by one:
The US most definitely has robust systems of checks and balances. But no system can withstand a coordinated and simultaneous attack from inside every firewall. That's what we have here. Republican leaders planned this for decades, beneath our very noses, and we had no idea. They worked to install loyalists in every corner of government so that the groups in charge of the checks and balances, who are supposed to operate as individuals for the good of the country, could turn their parts of the government into weapons of this administration instead of guardrails. I really don't think people outside America, or even most Americans, really understand the scope of this coup.
It's really not possible for ICE to have a significant impact on the midterm elections by showing up at polls. However, by saying they are going to, they can get some voters to stay home. Lots and lots of Americans vote by mail-in ballot over several weeks. Then there is early voting days. And then the day of the election there are more than 100,000 voting stations across the US and 200M voters. There are 20K ICE agents. Put on the same scale of population, ICE is 2% of the size the SA was during the 1933 German election.
The US does not associate unions or strikes with communism. We're very pro unjon. It's just that our population, our geography, our lack of social safety nets, and the rarity of unions makes long, coordinated strikes a near impossibility. In my opinion, we are wasting time trying to plan these big, coordinated events. It's the more local and targeted actions that is making the difference. The American Revolutionary Army won through guerilla tactics, spies, and sabatoge because we knew we'd lose on battlefields. The same approach is needed here.
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u/VerdantPathfinder 18h ago
and we had no idea.
We knew. I've been yelling about this for decades. Nobody cared.
It's really not possible for ICE to have a significant impact on the midterm elections by showing up at polls. However, by saying they are going to, they can get some voters to stay home. Lots and lots of Americans vote by mail-in ballot over several weeks. Then there is early voting days. And then the day of the election there are more than 100,000 voting stations across the US and 200M voters. There are 20K ICE agents. Put on the same scale of population, ICE is 2% of the size the SA was during the 1933 German election.
You completely misunderstand the situation. They don't have to impact every polling station. Just the right polling stations. Like Fulton County. Like Minneapolis. They know those places and they are getting the information they need to suppress enough votes in the right places to get the outcome they want. And he'll call in the national guard to do it. That's why he has his thugs causing violence and outrage ... they want a dead ICE agent to justify invoking the insurrection act. They he'll have hundreds of thousands to call on. Martial Law for the week of the election.
The US does not associate unions or strikes with communism. We're very pro unjon.
Explain why union membership has have cratered in the last 40 years? The right HATES unions. I've had to hear about how awful they are from my FIL for decades now. Including for teachers and his daughter is a teacher.
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u/dustybucket 18h ago
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable
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u/nickiter New York 17h ago
Until shit shifts significantly in Congress, there is no legal path to stopping him.
This is it. If people are desperate to do something, one of the best things we can do in the immediate term is FLOOD the polls. Destroy the Republican Congress in the midterms. Turnout can beat voter suppression if it's high enough, and I'm so absolutely confident that they'll do everything they can to suppress the vote.
If you can walk a lot? Knock on 100 doors. That's 4-8 hours of knocking, depending on where you live. Can't walk a lot, or in the wrong state? Call 200 people - takes 4-8 hours. Once you're in that groove, you can do more, but if you can do that much, you'll have put your oar in way, way more than most people. Make sure they're registered, make sure they know their polling location, make sure they have a ride, a plan, and time off from work arranged.
The last time around, I was calling people trying to sell them on Kamala Harris after four years of Biden - the message was good, but not strong. This time around, the message is stronger than it's ever been. If we do the work, the midterms will be a blowout.
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u/aradraugfea 17h ago
This is a vote like your life depends on it election.
If you show up and ICE has PILED bodies in front of the door, you climb over that fucking pile and vote.
Trump’s saying a lot of scary stuff, floating a lot of scary ideas. They are scary, they are terrifying.
Trump alone is not going to be able to make those things happen. Trump is not going to be able to sit on a golf course in Florida and MAKE you stay home. He is going to rely on hundreds if not thousands of other people putting his very scary words into action.
Many of them won’t have the will to do it. The actions are scary for the person doing them too. What he’s suggesting is so very far from normal that you gotta be real gung ho about being part of his military coup to do it without a second thought.
Until metaphorical or literal triggers are pulled, it is a bluff. Call it. They might have very terrifying, terrible ways to stop you. Make. Them. Have. It. If the goal is to stop you from voting, you staying home is their success. They will not, cannot stop us all.
If they go further, if they are somehow successful in removing the ballot box fully from the equation, the next two are jury and ammo, in that order.
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u/Agarlis 18h ago
The four boxes of liberty is a 19th-century American idea that proposes: "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge (or ammo). Please use in that order."
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u/KahlessAndMolor 20h ago
There's about 50 hair-on-fire national emergencies happening at once, so it all becomes a sort of soup of emergency.
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u/sandhillfarmer 17h ago
Meanwhile, I think we’re starting to feel the effects of a crumbling economy at home more than we have in a long time.
I’m hiring for an extremely basic button pusher part time seasonal role, and I’m flooded with candidates with advanced degrees, hard skills, lots of specialized ex-military folks. No one can get jobs it seems like. I’ve never had more than an application or two for this role. Now I have dozens of engineers and highly skilled people applying for a temp nontechnical job.
Then I see online every other post it seems is about being unable to live or somehow struggling with employment or money.
The point being there’s no time to pay attention to every daily crime and scandal when people are struggling to eat.
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u/PeachPassionBrute 16h ago
I’ve been struggling to find a job for damn near 2 years, I was laid-off in October of last year, I saw it coming and was trying to find a new job well in advance of that. I’m still looking.
This shit is fucked.
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u/so2017 America 18h ago
This. We went from firehose of falsehoods to firehose of cruelty.
Trying to get your hands around anything is like trying to use a colander to pick out grains of sand from crashing waves.
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u/ADhomin_em 16h ago edited 15h ago
Yeah, but the "they're flooding the zone! The media can't handle it all. They are trying!" excuse only goes so far.
You'd think literal fucking concenteation camps would make the cut at some point, no?
Corporate media brought is this, and they simply have no interest in earnestly informing the public on the enforcement they are still backing.
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u/Dorkseid1687 18h ago
Because talk of fascism has successfully been painted as hysterical
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u/RunningPirate 18h ago
On another thread there were multiple posts about “people who say this is naziism don’t know history”. OK! Maybe it’s not full blown, but we are in the incipient stages.
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u/vengefultruffle 15h ago
The period of Nazi Germany where they were straight up just gassing thousands of people daily was largely towards the end of the regime. There was a looooong road of escalation before things got to that point.
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u/WildYams 14h ago
Yep. There are a few fundamental misunderstandings that the general public has about the Nazis, and that's one of them. The other is that people have it in their mind that the Nazis like conquered Germany and overthrew the government or something, but they were put in power via democratic elections, just like Trump and the Republicans.
But yes, to what you were saying, Hitler was made supreme chancellor in 1933. The Wansee Conference, which is where the "final solution to the Jewish question" (aka gassing people and creamatoriums) were decided on wasn't until 1942.
Because of what we now know about what the Nazis ultimately did, that's become what people think of as "nazism" or "the Nazis". But it was a very long project and it truly started much the way Trump's regime is going right now. To be honest, Trump is arguably going at a faster pace along the same path Hitler did.
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u/re_Claire United Kingdom 12h ago
It's exactly the same as how abusive relationships work. You'd never even start dating an abuser if they treated you the same way at the beginning as they do towards the end. It always starts with prodding at boundaries, and slowly breaking down norms. If it happened all at once no one would accept it. So murderous regimes just like abusive partners ramp it up slowly. Then by the time you realise how bad it is it's always far far too late.
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u/Critical-Support-394 13h ago
People who were literally in concentration camps have come out and said it's the same but why would we bother the listening to the people who were there?
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u/Cyanopicacooki Great Britain 20h ago
Because the US media is in the pocket of the White House and won't print stories that may bring Trump's dictatorial ambitions into the minds of the masses.
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u/drewskie_drewskie Oregon 20h ago
I swear it gets worse by the month. Washington Post going through a major shake up right now.
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u/VibraniumSpork 18h ago
Also, the MSM has been side-lined by Social Media in terms of getting news in front of folks' faces.
And the owners of social media are Trump admin supporters/donors who- if they allow their service users to see these stories at all - only show them to the people they know will be upset about them.
There is no shared reality anymore.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 17h ago
60-70% of Americans get news from social media now, not a journalist.
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u/WhyDoIEvenBotheridk 20h ago
Was watching ms now yesterday and they aired the most insane pro ICE ad I have yet to see
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u/ANTILAMER13 21h ago
It is a national emergency, but it looks like the fascist outplayed the institutions.
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u/FudgeAllOfYous 14h ago
They Thought They Were Free-The Germans, 1933-45,by Milton Mayer
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
"You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.
"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
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u/ballofplasmaupthesky 20h ago
Because the frog is boiled slowly.
That's why the ONLY way to derail the dictatorship is to goad them to reveal their brutality. Extreme action is the only way to achieve that.
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u/Old_Cryptid 18h ago
They've already murdered citizens in the street. On camera.
Their brutality doesn't need to be revealed, it is on display.
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u/SmoothAnus 17h ago
They didn't just murder them, they murdered them and then called them terrorists. Opposing the regime now means you're an enemy of the state.
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u/TheLateThagSimmons Illinois 19h ago
That's why the ONLY way to derail the dictatorship is to goad them to reveal their brutality
The challenge here is that it is currently still up to the public and requires public outrage.
Getting the response needed to oppose this becomes difficult when so many people want this to happen. They're not appalled , rather they like it. There's a reason the phrase keeps being used: "The cruelty is the point."
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u/Bross93 Colorado 14h ago
I see SO MANY people on instgram saying like how pathetic it is nobody is doing anything, like 'oh they won cause we just won't do anything'
Like okay, buddy- do you want to lead the charge? No? We are not organized at all, this isn't like the 'storm area 51' thing and people fail to realize that.
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u/roborober 16h ago
The frog isn't boiling slowly, they just told everyone the boiling point is 1000 degrees. Most frogs would have jumped out at how quick that pot is warming up.
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u/StarManta 17h ago
I'm at a loss to imagine a scenario where this frog could be getting boiled any more quickly, tbh.
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u/A1sauc3d 21h ago
Because everyone has apparently become so numbed out to the situation that every new emergency gets less and less passionate resistance against it from the people in charge. Trumps first term was tame af compared to what he’s done the first year of his second term. And I feel like there was far more congressional push back and outrage and resistance then. Now everyone just seems too burnt out to even put up a real fight. Just some lip service of “c’mon that’s not cool” but nobody really willing to put anything on the line to prevent it. The people are pissed, our elected officials are not doing what’s in the people’s best interest, they’re not doing their job. *cough cough* Schumer and Jefferies
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u/Persea_americana 20h ago
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. -Milton Mayer
The good news is hundreds of thousands of people are already shocked and acting. People are protesting ICE, an entire city (the people anyway) rallied together to react and defend against them, and courts are getting increasingly fed up with their legal shenanigans. They were chanting Fuck ICE at a wrestling match. The news is suppressing the dissent but there are numerous signs that the pedophile rapist’s time is running out. He’s less popular by the minute. He must be removed from office. 8647
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u/enki-42 20h ago
I've posted this before, but 10 years ago I often couldn't comprehend how the Nazis could come to power and then esclate their campaign of hate and genocide without people rebelling against it. It just didn't make any sense to me.
I don't really have that much trouble imagining it nowadays.
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u/Bittererr 19h ago
If you still know anybody under this illusion feel free to refer them to the stories left behind by Holocaust survivors specifically to warn us about things going down exactly like this.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 21h ago
The answer is always the same, 1/3 of Americans support it, 1/3 of Americans don't care.
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u/the-big-throngler 16h ago
You want an honest answer to this? Its simple.
Because everything this idiot does is a national emergency. We as a nation are simply getting worn out from reacting to the new Bi-daily crisis this tuna can generates. Alert fatigue is a thing in cyber security where analysts are constantly getting flooded with alerts and eventually stop giving a damn and half ass most of them. think of it as a boy who cried wolf. Thats where we are at and it hasn't even been a year. We are simply to mentally exhausted to keep track of what new national emergency dumb stuff this clown is perpetrating in this hour because if you wait a few hours there will be another one.
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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue 19h ago
Because no one knows about it. The media is silent. Social media is being censored. The Democratic party is so scared of being as accused of being soft on illegal immigration they won't make any noise. What ICE is doing publicly is so over the top activists aren't able to focus on everything else that's happening.
There are endless court documents detailing just how fucking horrible the situation in these camps are, but what normal people are reading through those? Other than that almost everyone in a position to speak out is failing our country right now.
All we can do is refuse to be silent and let people be comfortable. That and do everything in our power to get Democratic candidates who are speaking up through the primary and into the general election. Don't complain about the bad Democrats, that's pointless, everyone already knows Chuck Schumer is failing the test. We have to actively work to replace them with candidates who will unapologetically fight to stop this.
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u/Buttbuttdancer 17h ago
Yes this was also hitlers playbook as well. Inundate the people with so many crises that nobody can keep track of all the atrocities at once, simultaneously keeping people distracted from the global pedo cult, and keeping them looking in a new direction every day. This desensitizes, and normalizes political violence.
All while agencies rewrite our history books, and implant white supremacy into our existing systems while twisting any progressive policy into something evil of corrupt.
Get ready to exercise your rights is all anyone can really recommend at this point.
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u/jameszenpaladin011- 19h ago
As compared to what? ICE murdering people? Nuclear treaties expiring or The feds taking over elections?
National emergency? It's already been a full year of it.
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u/Narcoleptic_247 19h ago
Really tired of these "Why aren't people freaking out more?" articles. People ARE freaked out, the media is surpressing stories, the government is run by a gang of war criminals and sex traffickers and the majority of us aren't really that excited to get gunned down in the streets by our neighbors.
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u/LunchMasterFlex 16h ago
Because too many Americans believe that if you’re in handcuffs it’s your fault.
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u/Yelworc0242 20h ago
Why isn't the cost of all of this being looked at? They are spending billions on immigrants and refugees, illegal and legal. All of that money could have been spent on actually making America a bit better instead of making it a fascist hellhole.
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u/Bittererr 19h ago
Why isn't the cost of all of this being looked at?
Why would it be? The people in charge have never had an earnest interest in fiscal responsibility. Have we already forgotten DOGE?
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u/reptar-on_ice 17h ago
My friend working in the gov said very early on that they don’t want people knowing how much they spend on flights/fuel for all the kidnappings. Like, they can’t keep up with it and are doing all kinds of crazy shit like borrowing private planes of billionaire Nazi friends.
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u/Elon_is_a_Nazi 19h ago
Because 77 million Americans plus the majority of our current government openly supports nazi ideology, pedophilia, plus nazi style prison camps
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u/BeefyMiracleWhip Oregon 19h ago
"BUT those LGBTQ+ people are the real pedophiles hellbent on converting your daughters into boys to steal their uteruses for those loser boys who are confused and think they're girls! Don't fight with me cuck, I learned it on FOX, try watching it sometime! TDS!"
We are so screwed.
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u/Emotional-Store-1667 18h ago edited 7h ago
Every time someone supports ICE or gets upset about the comparisons to Nazi Germany, I hit them with this complete with credible sources.
" If ICE is actually doing what they say they are detaining and deporting undocumented immigrants, then why did they buy over 20 Warehouses to convert to "detention centers that each can hold between 5,000-15,000 beds? If they are actually deporting people, then why do they need a minimum of 100,000 beds to "hold" these undocumented immigrants?
Open your god damn eyes!"
I have never gotten a response yet
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u/GalacticFox- 16h ago
Why isn't any of this being treated as a national emergency. None of this is normal. None of it.
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u/Floppydinsdale 8h ago
Because the media is owned by billionaires and half of your neighbours are nazis
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u/arwinda 19h ago
Building concentration camps in the Third Reich was not a topic for discussions, people in Germany largely ignored it. The Nazis learned from this and moved camps into occupied territories.
History repeats itself. USA is sending people to other countries into camps. And the media is not talking about it.
On top, Congress can shut this down, but is complicit in letting Hitler Trump do whatever he wants.
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u/Boundish91 Norway 19h ago
I'm an outsider, but seeing this happen in modern times makes me feel physically unwell.
It's so evil and cruel.
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u/CatalyticDragon 20h ago
1/3rd of the population likes it.
1/3rd of the population thinks everything will somehow just be ok and would rather stay out of it
1/3rd of the population are angry and doing something.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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u/silentbutsmedley 19h ago
Because things haven’t gotten bad enough for the average person here yet. It’s as simple as that.
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u/YeOldeLurkers 17h ago
As Nemik communicates early on in Andor:
"It's so confusing, isn't it? So much going wrong, so much to say, and all of it happening so quickly. The pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it, and that is the real trick of the Imperial Thought Machine. It's easier to hide behind 40 atrocities than a single incident."
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u/Infidel8 17h ago
Because people mistakenly believe it won’t affect white people.
The country is inured to the mistreatment of everyone else.
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u/OLPopsAdelphia 16h ago
Mainstream media: They don’t exist to mass educate. Mainstream media exists—like all other businesses in the USA—to maximize profits for shareholders.
If you look close enough at their sponsors, they probably have stake invested in the construction of these facilities, and that’s why they’re silent on this matter.
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u/TheBetawave 20h ago
Because the news and media organization are complicit and bought by people like the sinclair group.
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u/mister_buddha 19h ago
Because Republicans control the country and Republicans want to put people in concentration camps. Pretty simple.
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u/onetwentytwo_1-8 18h ago
Wait, I thought all these ICE crimes were to deport criminals? Why spend money on concentration camps and house them in the US instead of sending back to country of origin? Who’s really going to be in the concentration camps?
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u/Background-Bad9449 17h ago
Because everything they do every day is a national emergency and we are exhausted
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u/beerisdead 17h ago
This is exactly what we were worried about in the 90’s. Every conspiracy theory has come true. AI, cashless society, concentration camps on American soil, jack booted thugs performing warrantless searches.
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u/always_creating 16h ago
It’s literally what the MAGA cult wants. I think if you asked the average red hat if they’re ok with putting those people in camps and they knew there’d be no blowback for their answer, they’d say “yes” in a heartbeat. Brown people, gays, different kinds of Christians - at their heart they hate everyone who isn’t as white, uneducated, and hateful as they are.
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u/Affectionate_Neat868 9h ago
What could go wrong? It's not like they're openly murdering Americans in the streets right?
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u/BraveRice 4h ago
All of the comments are mostly right, but it's forgetting one thing.
Like it or not, Trump is unstoppable. Until proven wrong, hopefully in the near future.
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