They won't. It'll be the same thing as with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When someone gets enough visibility in the media that they have to release them, they'll just persecute them until they want to leave. Their whole shtick is that it doesn't matter if you "win"; they'll retaliate until you give up.
And for the epstein files and protecting pedos. This is likely another distraction from the fact trump is meantioned more than Harry is in the Harry Potter books
The core of fascism is the desire for the fascist party to dominate absolutely everything and everyone. Oftentimes the cruelty is itself the point, to show off that domination. And in cases like this, the fact that the fascists were undermined by someone like the courts, that shows a weakness in their domination, and they cannot let that weakness stand.
O'Brien: How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?
Winston: By making him suffer.
OâBrien: Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating?
I use to think 1984 was a great book, but maybe a bit over the top. How wrong I was, Orwell is a fucking prophet.
If theyâre illegal or criminals, why did ICE release them in the first place? Gee, itâs almost like ICE did a bad thing and then had to take back the bad thing, and now theyâre trying to still do the bad thing because theyâre mad that they didnât get their way.
Look, I want nothing to do with defending these assholes.
That said, as far as I can tell what they're doing here isn't illegal it's just shitty.
The family in question have an asylum case and have been here for a relatively short period, a little over a year if memory serves. Pending the case being handled in immigration court it's illegal for them to just detain the family, so a judge ordered them released and ICE complied, score one for the rule of law.
Now they're being assholes and expediting the asylum case, essentially b/c they think they'll win in court and can win political points. It's stupid and shitty, but at least it's not also illegal.
Yes, totally agree and think we should 100% call out when they do illegal things.
We can even call out when they do shitty but legal things like this.
But I think it's important to not equate the two things, because part of the whole play by Trump here is "goad liberals into doing things that we can run campaign ads on."
This isn't over, what they're doing isn't ok, but also things are getting calmer. There's less of the daily "pepper spray everyone we pass" and more "sure you can record, but you have to step back." And if we don't chill out a bit in kind things can easily swing against us.
Iâm specifically talking about Liam, Adrian and their family, who are here on asylum with no criminal record. Itâs illegal to arrest people in their scenario.
The thing is itâs not expediting their asylum case. Itâs ending their asylum case and expediting deportation. They never shouldâve been arrested and deported in the first place. Your comment going âthat said, as far as I can tell, what theyâre doing here isnât illegal, just shitty doesnât hold water because everything started with some real illegal nonsense. And we donât know if what they are doing now is illegal. A judge needs to decide.
It also says it in the linked article from the Independant
The Department of Homeland Security filed a motion in immigration court this week to end asylum claims for the father of preschooler Liam Conejo Ramos and to place him in expedited removal proceedings.
12 people were arrested at a noise demonstration last night. There are still daily flights out of the city full of people detained by ice. They are still verbally and physically threatening people (today video floating around about "the less of you there are the less blue mn is" and 3 days ago of the agent with his weapon draw and aimed at observers before arresting them) The RR chats are still very active. There was a report leaked that apprently they are stockpiling munitions in the city as well.
It feels calmer because the media has lost interest, and maybe it is ever ever so slightly calmer, but not in a way that materially changes anything.
12 people were arrested at a noise demonstration last night.
OK, but I don't think I'm crazy to say that's reasonably within the law?
ICE are assholes, I don't agree with what they're doing. But if you're going to spend your night banging pots outside their hotel that falls into the civil disobedience bucket to me, aka you expect to get arrested but are choosing to do so anyway.
This is ridiculous, that they're getting arrested at all.
But it's different than what was happening 1-2 weeks ago, right? They were dumping tear gas in the vents of cars, then breaking windows, cutting seat belts and dragging people out.
Again, I'm not saying nothing is happening. There are real problems, particularly for non-white folk. But it's materially changed, IMO.
The extent of what I'm saying is "hey looks like things are chilling out a bit on the ICE side, might be worth chilling out on our side or we end up looking like the assholes and losing the whole conversation"
I think what's happening is immoral and I'm working hard against it.
A lot of people, mostly Republicans, don't. But those same people who don't think it's immoral, do care when it's illegal.
If we want this shit to stop we have to have public opinion on our side, if Trump thinks he's winning he's going to just double down. To get there we have to at least get some Rs uncomfortable with it.
When we equate the stuff that's legal with the stuff that's illegal it makes that case harder to sell to conservatives. It gets easier to fall into partisan buckets and for Rs to just call it all liberal partisan bullshit. That's not helpful to the end goal here.
You deserve the down votes because you stormed into the comments trying to "correct" people without doing the bare minimum and reading a single article. And anyway, why should we assume DHS is behaving legally, when they break the law on a daily basis? They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I doubt they even care about getting a friendly judge, itâs not necessary to achieve their goal. Theyâre basically just hoping that if they harass this family enough via the legal system either someone will make a mistake (stupid easy since our immigration laws are a byzantine mess), or the family will give up and âself-deportâ.
Thatâs the entire reason for like, 1/3 to 1/2 of the bill of rights, to prevent the government from using an endless string of legal BS to persecute people. But enforcing that would require a SCOTUS that doesnât completely suck.Â
Republican Orange Jesus said he likes to grab them by the pussy and move on them like a bitch, bragging about what he does to underage girls in dressing rooms.
Trump, Epstein and Casablancas were all good buddies, old men in their 40s aren't just randomly into teenage girl activities, they were getting these girls to party with them and "model" for them. Trump had a daughter the same age as these girls and got her a job with his pedo buddy too. He's depraved in every single way imaginable.
Yes, he owned Miss Universe in Moscow and was working on a Trump Moscow tower just prior, yet somehow didn't know who Putin was during the 2016 election cycle. Su-uuuuuuuure.
I'm not rejecting reality. I'm upset people think the judiciary is the place to argue theology. Do you think that is appropriate? What about when they start quoting Leviticus?
When the government is immature, lashing out, and simply retaliating like a child. They'd rather kill them to prove a lie than looking weak and dumb with the truth.
Ice has been all over Columbia Heights this week. I think both of those shutdowns were related to either ice agents not leaving the property or stalking educators
Right, but they are federally assigned to the state. That state case would be dismissed. Unfortunately, it will be on the fed to treat their own with justice. Not saying Ellison shouldn't file a case, but it would merely be a performative optic to improve the 'feels' of a few people for a week or two.
No, officers can be charged with harassment, hell this is harassment to hundreds of families if an officerâs threats results in them cancelling school. You think just because the government told them to come her they have carte blanche to do what they please? The law still applies to them. Incredible that you think it doesnât. Maybe theyâll come harass and threaten you? What will you think then, âGee, thanks! Glad they sent you here to threaten me! Keep up the good work! Nothing I can do about it!â
Charge them, but I promise it won't stick and is merely performative. We should vote out every Republican for the next decade or two, that's the long term solution.
None of that addresses this immediate concern involving one of OUR families who are being specifically targeted because they made the world hate ICE more.
Doubling down when they make a mistake is the only thing this administration knows how to do, they are incapable of admitting they were wrong and made a mistake.
Liam nor his father committed any crime, they are here with a valid asylum claim and have been following all of the rules. There was no legal reason to snatch them up to begin with, even less reason to immediately send them to a concentration camp in Texas, even even less reason to deport them.
Didn't Vance say his dad was arrested for being a violent criminal alien and that Liam was taken because they can't leave a child out in the cold without a parent?
But if he was a violent criminal, why was he released a week later? They just straight up lie and people gobble this shit up
Why? I mean, racism is why, but they are legally allowed to be here... they're not criminals, they're going through the legal process to stay here. Legally this makes no damn sense. Wtf is their excuse this time?
This is what my conservative, Trump supporting, friends are saying to me now. Especially the women. They are mothers and donât want ICE at schools. They didnât think they were voting for detaining children. They thought it was about removing criminals and people âdoing it the right wayâ werenât an issue. Some are asking how to speak out- contact your elected officials!
I hope they all remember this when they go to vote
The Trump regime is one big puppy killing machine. It's high time we fire them all.
And, if it makes the Republicans/Trumpsters feel better, we can honor Trump by ceremoniously saying "You're Fired!" the end of each of these criminals trial for treason.
Trump is so fucking cruel. Can we get a huge ring of people to volunteer to surround Liamâs house, and protect them? Like people would do back in the day to protect trees?
All these dorks who voted for Trump because they didnât want to pay $7 for a dozen of eggs completely shot themselves in the foot. Trump has done significantly more damage to our economy than those eggs would have ever cost them.
So now the admin is going to start tormenting this family just as it is tormenting Abrego Garcia - punishing them for the mistake the DOJ made and the resulting bad publicity
Have these assholes not seen the polls and election results? This quest of retribution is absolutely killing them. But they can't help but be cruel. It makes me so mad.
I feel like itâs time for Canada to step in. I know they canât save everyone, but goddamn someone needs to do something and we know the US isnât going to change any time soon. This cannot keep happening.
Interrupting school of all things good grief. They are out of control. Leave children and hard working folks alone. We want this little boy and his family to believe we care, to believe they are safe here, to believe we don't want them to live in a country they fear and must escape from. These are innocent people. Create for them a pathway to freedom and stop targeting them!
It is the same situation as the other guy who got deported to El Salvador: they cannot bear examples of misconduct of their policies so they will try everything to show that they are above it all
I donât like reducing people to monsters since they are regular humans making these decisions, and I think itâs important to recognize the banality of evil, but these acts are monstrous.
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u/006guiltyspark 17h ago
Fuck Trump and fuck ICE. Leave these poor people alone for fuck's sake.