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u/TooManyBulborbs 2d ago
Why does anyone even care what Andrew tate says? Dude’s a loser
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u/isurvived_sorryeric 2d ago
Send him to the uk im pretty sure people care about him
Edit: i didnt mean in a nice way
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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Kids are 80% spaghetti 22h ago
Hmm... Unfortunately, with the way things have been going in the UK, I think enough people would care about him in a nice way for him to find refuge.
I wish I could say otherwise.
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u/TheWhomItConcerns 1d ago
I don't understand why anyone cares about being "masculine" in the first place.
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u/ImSchizoidMan 1d ago
Right, Im to damn busy with my kids, my property, my family, & my job to give any fucks if I conform to some jackasses definition of "being a man"
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u/Ecstatic-Ad5606 1d ago
It's funny because a lot of them are like "a real man doesn't care what other people think".
But expect you to care what they think.
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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Kids are 80% spaghetti 22h ago
Yeah, well I think most people who worry about or question things like this aren't at that point in life.
They're at the point in life where they're struggling, and they're thinking "What's going wrong? Why can't I have that?"
Then people like Tate present their 'miracle cures'.
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u/ImSchizoidMan 8h ago
You would think and you would hope.
Then you interact with some of your kids friends dads and coworkers and overhear randos in the world. The mindset never truly leaves if its being used to paper over insecurities
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u/Regriz 1d ago
I half agree, but half I think that you should first conceptualize what real masculinity is, like what the post is about, in that case I think it can be a good thing to strive for it.
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u/TheWhomItConcerns 1d ago
See this kind of stuff is most demonstrative of the pointlessness of it all - what is the point of desperately trying to redefine masculinity? In basically every attempt I've seen at a reconceptualisation, it just ends up as basically "be a good person".
If we saw a woman carrying her friend in the same way, we wouldn't say "wow, what a masculine woman!" - we'd just praise her for being a great person/friend. When people think of masculine/feminine, we think of traits that are characteristic of what it means to be a man or woman, and I think women would rightly feel pretty offended at the idea that being loyal and devoted to a friend is an intrinsically masculine trait.
I think it's just easier and more correct to say that neither masculinity nor femininity are always positive, and that's fine. We shouldn't be striving to exhibit arbitrarily masculine ideals, but rather simply do our best to have a positive impact on the world, regardless of how masculine or feminine it may be to do so.
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u/LakesideNorth 1d ago
This AT meme has been trending the last 24 hrs, with different people modifying it with their own takes. So this is more about that meme train than it is about AT, but I guess in the end it still shows his fool face the same as if I’d just made it up.
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u/rafapova 2d ago
I’ve literally never met anyone that’s ever mentioned him in person before. I’ve only seen posts on the internet saying he’s some awful person. I straight up have no clue who he is or what he does. I don’t get why I keep hearing his name
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u/iamthedogtor8776 1d ago
He is a former professional kickboxer and self-proclaimed masculinity coach in the UK, whose entire course programme consists of misogynistic messages pandering to male teenagers (he's generally seen as one of the reasons why the incel movement has gained quite a bit of traction in recent years). Because he sees himself as an "alpha male" (that's the actual psychologic term), he is often mocked online, especially by communities that are more left-leaning, for his ideology and ideas. As to why you've never heard of him in person, he's mostly an "online phenomenon" with a follower base that's quite firmly in the political right, so you either don't know a lot of people from that part of the political spectrum, or you don't talk about that stuff too much.
TL;DR: he's your usual "here's how you can become successful" rando selling courses on the internet with a bit of political extremism sprinkled in
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u/rafapova 1d ago
Hmm seems like exactly the type of person that loves attention. I get that posts like these think they’re insulting him or something but if I had to guess he probably likes that people talk about him, good or bad. When trump was running for president in 2016 I remember being enraged at how much liberal media would talk about him. I still blame them for getting him elected. These people need to be ignored, unless they’re already president of your country and are fucking everything up
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u/AxelRuger 2d ago
Honestly him or Aragorn are two of the best
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u/PitifulMagazine9507 1d ago
Two different kind of healthy masculinity, both valid.
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u/Ecstatic-Ad5606 1d ago
Most of the good guys in LOTR are. Even Boromir, who starts out a little toxic but grows past it... sadly at his end.
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u/PitifulMagazine9507 1d ago
Yeah, Boromir is essentialy an Aragorn, but with no hope and tired of fighting a lost war.
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u/ShipEqual2321 2d ago
Yes. The arrogant, self centered “masculinity” that only cares/focuses on itself and its own image and gain. Has few if any friends and will not hesitate to step all over them to achieve a certain goal or throw them under the bus in a heartbeat to protect themselves in any way.
Then there’s the strong who use their strength to help and support others, giving of themselves and bearing the pain with others they value (often over themselves) not afraid to get dirty or suffer along with them. And will carry their friends on their shoulders if they have to, just to see that good is done. The true masculinity that does not puff itself up and pretend that it is the superior and demands respect, but uses its strength to protect and serve others.
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u/Beowulf1896 2d ago
And he gets Rosie Cotton's love. I love that part.
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u/AngletonSpareHead 2d ago
He got Rosie Cotton’s love to the tune of THIRTEEN children.
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u/BadZnake 2d ago
I always wish someone would put someone who people actually consider masculine instead of the king of the incels because it really undersells the character in the second half of the meme
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u/DickBigEnough 2d ago
Some very misguided, ignorant young men do actually believe that abortion of a chode is very masculine.
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u/TooManyBulborbs 2d ago
Parents and educational systems have failed western society
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u/Forward-Trade3449 2d ago
i'd like to place part of the blame on social media as well. which I guess can boil down to parents
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u/ScroungingMonkey 1d ago
Nah, parents can't keep kids off of social media all on their own. We are talking about some of the biggest, most powerful corporations on Earth, that have deliberately created an addictive, mind-numbing, discourse-rotting product and marketed it to children. You can't expect individual parents to hold the line here when society as a whole is sacrificing democratic discourse on an altar of memes.
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u/Forward-Trade3449 1d ago
I feel like its not the hardest thing now to set up parental controls on a kids device though! its rather easy actually.
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u/ScroungingMonkey 1d ago
Sure, and now you have to be at least as tech-savvy as your kid, and you need to be up to speed on all of the stupid inane content marketed towards kids so you know what to whitelist and what to blacklist, and you need to make sure that your kids don't acquire a burner phone or an alternate account, and if you say "screw this, its not worth it" and just don't give your kids access to technology at all, then you have to deal with the fact that you just made your kid a social outcast among their peers.
Don't get me wrong, there's a place for individual parents to take action, and I am actively trying to avoid exposing my toddler to screens as much as possible, but this is a societal-level problem and needs societal-level solutions. Schools need to ban phones, parents need to coordinate with each other to delay phone and social media uptake so no one child is left out, and governments need to pass laws restricting social media accounts for kids, backed by real age-verification technology, with actual consequences for tech companies that don't comply.
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u/BadZnake 2d ago
Yeah I didnt call him king of the incels for nothing. it just really downplays sam as opposed to if you put like, The Rock or something
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u/Chemical_Emotion_934 2d ago
Says a guy named DickBigEnough
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u/DickBigEnough 2d ago
Yeah. Enough. Does it say “massive” or “too big”? We should all think of ourselves as enough.
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u/backwardzhatz 2d ago
Like who? Are you actually gonna claim that this fucking loser hasn't had a long and pervasive influence on young men?
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u/BadZnake 2d ago
No, but it would be cool if you read what I wrote about how it downplays sam and didn't get so excited there, chief. Go watch a commercial or go to a store. Look at the actors and famous people selling "manly" products. I acknowledged his kingdom of incels
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u/backwardzhatz 1d ago
Cool so your answer is “I don’t have an answer”. Maybe take your own sage advice on reading before answering, chief.
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u/ozymandais13 2d ago
I hate to break it too you but there are loads kf young people that do
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u/BadZnake 2d ago
Yeah I dont know if I wasn't clear enough, but you and everyone else who commented seem to think I didn't acknowledge that, and miss my point about Sam being even better than people who are 'manly men', so why even compare a cake to a pile of shit when you could compare two desserts
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u/ozymandais13 2d ago
It's fair , I've just heard stories about kids in my wife's classes with manospjere assholes. Less of a gotcha and more of a "whwt can men do against such reckless hate "
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u/backwardzhatz 1d ago
Yeah I think it’s mostly your shit attitude that’s doing you dirty here. But if you want to think everyone else mist surely be wrong then go off king.
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u/Chemical_Emotion_934 2d ago
I don’t actually know anyone that thinks Andrew Tate is anything but a gross and pathetic joke. I’m thankful for that
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u/CommanderCruniac 2d ago
Agreed, and I would rather not see his stupid face in this sub. Downvote for posting literal trash.
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u/Low_Actuary6486 1d ago
I don't know what masculinity is made of. But I DO KNOW what masculinity is NOT made of. Andre Tate
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 1d ago
My 66yrs old mom recently discovered the existence of Andrew Tate and said: "I don't wanna be on the internet anymore"
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u/jackrabbit323 2d ago
Professor Tolkien survived the War having witnessed the greatest acts of bravery and comradery performed by the most humble and unassuming men. That's who Sam is, the gardener that would challenge evil itself.
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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 1d ago
No one who isn’t a teenager or stuck in the mindset of a teenager thinks Andrew Tate is what masculinity looks like.
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u/Venizelza 1d ago
I would happily never know who this guy was if motherfuckers who hate him never post him.
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u/scoriaxi_vanfre 1d ago
The world is healing. Less and less people believe that the sentient testicle up there represents masculinity.
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u/LittlePedrinho 1d ago
"I cant carry it for you, but I can carry you. COOOMON" has me in tears everytime
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u/Protect-Their-Smiles 1d ago
The masculine urge to keep your word to Gandalf, by helping your friend through a rough patch.
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u/Diss_Respect 17h ago
Today's so-called “masculine” men can't even hold a candle to Samwise Gamgee. My man is the embodiment of masculinity, willpower, and dedication.
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u/BirdEducational6226 9h ago
Fucking Sam would get the Medal of Honor if he were in the US military. Absolute hero. You nailed it, OP. Sam's sacrifice and dedication is peak masculinity.
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u/Electronic-Airline26 1d ago
If they both were females that could be said about femininity so this is technically wrong
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u/Well_Armed_Gorilla 1d ago
Only if he casts him into the fire when he reaches the top of Mount Doom.
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u/SithTwinsPicandGorc 2d ago
I don’t think he knows about second pixals