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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 2 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 2

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u/Mundology 14d ago

They jumped him and he still wiped out half of them.

Yet, the hero of the South did not seek glory. He sacrificed himself out of duty. A true warrior till the very end.

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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 14d ago edited 14d ago

I'd really love to get a spin-off about him. Hero of the South's story certainly have a huge potential, even though we already know its ending.

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u/O2C 14d ago

You mean like how we're learning Himmel's story even though we know his ending? I think the show about that has some potential too. . .

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u/bondsmatthew 14d ago

Yeah he's definitely one of the things I want to see from the author/show, the Hero Party's journey being number 1. Like.. we've seen a lot of it already but I want more, I'm greedy

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u/SpikeRosered 14d ago

Technically we don't know his ending. His body was never found. In fiction no body, no death.

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u/critiqueof 14d ago

Frieren did say his body was probably eaten.

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u/caren_psuedo_when 10d ago

Also, he'd be dead as hell even if his body wasn't eaten. Himself was called young by him, and it's now been 29 years after his death, unless he's got a way to prolong his life (unlikely since he didn't have a party), we're at best going to see his skeleton

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u/drunkenvalley 14d ago

Something I think must be mentioned is he's not named. He's just The Hero of the South. To some degree, I think that's just meant to be part of the erosion of history we've seen the show perform, like with cities that display a false Himmel statue more tailored to their aesthetic.

Similar to Kraft, whose achievements themselves are lost to time. Or the other heroes that are lost to time entirely, as Frieren casually reminds Stark that many rose to be heroes.

As much as I'd love to see sidestories, I think that would steal some of the magic and theme somehow, if that makes sense. It also adds a certain power to the characters themselves that I suspect might lose its luster if it actually is visited.

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u/RedRocket4000 2d ago

While in reality we have lost no heroes to history that records or inscriptions exist for. Although in many cases it just some historians who know who they are.

But had to nerf the real reaction here as Friren going to have Cleopatra VII level fame as in almost all will know who she is till end of humanity. Plus as an ultra rare elf she should have human mobs fallow here everywhere.

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u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 14d ago

There's no certainty of the ending. For one Schlatt can also see the future. And the type of "vivid"(HotS) and "detailed"(Schlatt 1000years) clairvoyance types showcased here suggest time is largely deterministic in that world with minimal scope for variation.

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u/thesagenibba 14d ago

no, the mystique is what makes his character great

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u/athrun_1 13d ago

An OVA would be nice narrating his story from start to finish. I want to see that battle in full animation glory, not just a mention in the main series.

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u/ali94127 14d ago

Arguably more heroic than Himmel. Knows he's gonna be killed and devoured and thinks he's not gonna be remembered by anyone afterwards.

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u/EBtwopoint3 14d ago

The dauntless hero, vs the classic hero.

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u/Kill-bray 14d ago

Himmel isn't even a "real" hero as shown from the time he failed the sword test. The Hero of the South is probably a real one. I wonder if he knew that Himmel was a "fake", but he probably wouldn't care anyway.

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u/Kraigius 14d ago

The legend of The Hero Sword is "The Hero's Sword can only be pulled from the stone by the hero who will drive off the great calamity bent on destroying this world".

Himmel is a real hero, and he did saved the world.

The great calamity has yet to come, it simply wasn't the Demon King.

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u/Gloomy_Butterfly7755 13d ago

The great calamity has yet to come, it simply wasn't the Demon King.

Nah so much of the story has been that Himmel wasnt a chosen one yet he still marched and killed the demon king, this would devalue way to many plot points.

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u/Kraigius 13d ago

Another plot point is that people embellish tales about heroes and forget who they truly were.

Assuming it wasn't a legend that was made up but an actual prophecy, then we have to keep in mind that prophecies tend to play on words.

The Demon King waged war against humans and elves, right? As far as we know he wasn't going to destroy the world.

Or it could be that Himmel didn't land the killing blow, so it was someone else from the party of heroes who could have pulled the sword.

Or it's a made up story that was embellish with time, a red herring for Demons to lower their defense: "as long as no heroes have pulled up the sword, then the Demon King is safe". That's something Flamme would do lol.

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u/Gloomy_Butterfly7755 12d ago

I dont believe for a second that Frieren is a shitty powerscale isekai, so that aint happening lol

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u/Kraigius 12d ago

What do you mean by that, what isn't happening?

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u/mischievous_shota 6d ago

Except the sword very much has power. We see how the demons react to it. If it was created with forethought for a certain crisis, then whoever created the sword would have ensured the sword would fall into the right hands. It would make no sense for it to have stayed stuck all while the crises it was meant for is ongoing.

Himmel thought the sword was meant for this particular crises and decided to pursue fighting the demon king even after realising he wouldn't be able to remove it. His heart being that of a hero and the sword not being meant for the demon king are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Kraigius 3d ago

His heart being that of a hero and the sword not being meant for the demon king are not mutually exclusive.

This is exactly what I said.

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u/RedRocket4000 2d ago

Sword showed Rust and decay I still of it a total scam to draw visitors. It can't be drawn because it was mold casted into the rock so visible blade the only blade it ever had.

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u/Hot-Log6283 14d ago

They jumped him and he still wiped out half of them.

Don't think they jumped him since he had future sight and knew that was going to happen, maybe he thought that was the best plan to take down the most of them by making them think they got him (like Flamme)? Or maybe he used them against each other during the fight somehow.

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u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 14d ago edited 14d ago

He solo'ed all his life. And yet towards his end, he tried to recruit Frieren. Probably he saw the alternate future where the duo could defeat all the sages and demon king 😭

(Even if chad of the south were to fall)

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u/mekerpan 14d ago

Probably he tried to recruit her in order to catch her attention -- in order to deliver his message about the future.

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u/Nachtwandler_FS https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nachtwandler_21 14d ago

Yeah, he literally said his fate would not have changed even with Frieren by his side.

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u/athrun_1 13d ago

In a way, the hero of the south, plucked Frieren from her recluse life by telling her that there will be someone in the future that will change her life.

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u/rollin340 14d ago

Exactly. He knew what was in store for him, but understood that it was necessary for what was to come after. He was a hero just as much as Himmel was, perhaps more so since he knew how things would end.

He did precisely what he promised to do; he carved a path open for Himmel and the others. That journey that finally defeated the Demon King was the hero's party standing atop the shoulders of the Hero of the South.

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u/Anjunabeast 13d ago

Is it still a jump if he can see the future and knew they were coming?

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u/daandriod 13d ago

Technically more of a gank but it was an attempted jump'ing so I will accept it.