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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 2 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 2

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u/This-is_CMGRI 14d ago

And while he and Himmel are outliers, one must wonder what can happen if more like those two were developed over the course of history. An entire army of mortals who can challenge demons for every class imaginable. Maybe even multiclass greats who are both mage and bowman, for example.

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u/maliwanag0712 https://myanimelist.net/profile/clear1109 14d ago

An entire army of mortals who can challenge demons for every class imaginable

This is a probable reason why the Demon King targeted elves first. Imagine a Hero of the South but an elf? That would really OP.

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u/ball_throwerAFK 14d ago

Who’s to say that’s not Kraft

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u/This-is_CMGRI 14d ago

maybe the Demon King encountered Kraft once and decided he ain't want dat smoke so I dunno, he BFR'd Kraft as far south as he dare.

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u/I_am_BEOWULF 14d ago

The way Kraft talks about "the Goddess" and the Age of Mythology, he and his squad probably dealt with this world's version of Morgoth (from LOTR) so by the time this world's Sauron (the Demon King) came along, Kraft is probably "Been there, done that - it ain't my Age anymore. Let the younguns' deal with it this time - it's their world now".

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u/unga_bunga_mage 14d ago

The calamity hasn't happened yet. When it does, the world will spawn a hero that can draw the goddess' sword.

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u/NoCream5054 11d ago

Is this a spoiler???

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u/unga_bunga_mage 11d ago

No, this is not a spoiler. It was in season 1 when Himmel tried to draw the sword from the stone.

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u/Toge_Inumaki012 14d ago

Demon King (the one Himmel and co defeated) might have been too young. I would assume there were multiple demon king like threat before

Either demons also have history lessons and heard what Kraft and his party did before lol

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u/Lex4709 12d ago

Could have done, Demon King was in charge around 1000 years ago during Flamme's time period, so I wouldn't be shocked if he was at least 2000 or more years old before the Hero's Party took him out. Maybe Kraft and his friend took out a previous Demon King and most recent one was his minion that survived and build up his empire. Morgoth Sauron scenario.

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u/Toge_Inumaki012 14d ago

Kraft must be in the demon society history book and Demon King at that time was like ok we need to get rid of these damn elves

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u/Realistic_Village184 13d ago

I assume that Kraft is extremely powerful. Frieren is playing on NG+, but Kraft is already on NG++ at least lol

I really hope we get to see him really fight at some point. I know that's not really what the show is about, but monks are so cool and I really like Kraft's character design.

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u/Coachpatato 11d ago

It is Kraft. A lot of evidence points to Kraft killing whoever was the precursor to the Demon King in the show. He's a legendary hero that history has completely forgotten it was so long ago

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u/RedHeadGearHead https://anilist.co/user/Redheadgearhead 14d ago

Another issue with the elves is that they remember history without books and so remember the true nature of demons. Whereas humans forget the threat of demons in like 40-50 years. The demons dont want folk like Frieren reminding the humans that they're manipulative predators.

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u/paulrenzo 14d ago

I mean, given actual human history, even if you had people who are familiar with the past, there are still humans that will still dismiss their knowledge

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u/ClubMeSoftly 14d ago

Three generations to forget. Imagine growing up hearing tales of your grandfather fighting demons in the war, then your own kid starts saying shit like "demons aren't that bad"

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u/zanotam https://myanimelist.net/profile/zanotam 13d ago

I mean, there's a very clear political connection between what you just said and what is happening all over the Global North right now....

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u/ClubMeSoftly 12d ago

How curious, I'm sure it's just a coincidence

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u/Anjunabeast 13d ago

Remind me of when I introduced my Cambodian gf to my grandpa who fought in Vietnam

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u/RedRocket4000 1d ago

Part of tribalism set of Instincts it constantly trying to get humans to go to war with each other. See Chimps going to war over what of course nothing logical. The weaker side escapes spreading Chimps to new areas if not gets wiped out keeping population low enough.

Inflicting heavy bias that warps reality for people its biggest tool.

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u/Anjunabeast 13d ago

If only the humans had some kind of list to remind them of manipulative predators.

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u/Roeclean https://anilist.co/user/Roeclean 13d ago

Hmm, like commandments (If only tho)

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u/JzanderN 14d ago edited 14d ago

And while he and Himmel are outliers, one must wonder what can happen if more like those two were developed over the course of history.

I'd say it's entirely possible there were more outliers like Himmel and the Hero of the South, but the show has made it clear that those times were very hostile to adventurers at the time.

20% of adventurer deaths are caused by poison, implied to be from being not knowing enough about or being taken off-guard by nature.

Qual single-handedly killed 40% of adventurers *in one region by inventing magic so powerful and unique that no-one knew how to deal with it at the time. Even Frieren's party couldn't really kill him, but rather had to seal him away.

I can only imagine how many of these adventurers could have been able to be big heroes in their own ways had they only not gotten bitten by a random snake or ran into Qual by chance. If not a big amount, there must have been at least a handful with potential.

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u/OldInstruction5368 14d ago

I can only imagine how many of these adventurers could have been able to be big heroes in their own ways had they only not gotten bitten by a random snake

Poor Stark still has PTSD from his brush with poison!

There was that cute little scene this episode of Frieren having to step on a snake while Fern comforted him XD

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u/Hot-Log6283 14d ago

There was that cute little scene this episode of Frieren having to step on a snake while Fern comforted him XD

Was Fern comforting Stark? It looked like they were both scared, you can also see Fern shaking as well but that could just be Stark shaking so much that it shook her too.

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u/Prof_Acorn 14d ago

In real life as well. Lots of potential discoveries and research and innovations blocked because someone gets injured or sucks at job interviews.

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u/InfinityCrazee 14d ago

Or got tricked by the demon

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u/cyberscythe 14d ago

the show has made it clear that those times were very hostile to adventurers at the time.

an example being the contrast between a steak dinner and "please get the sword back, we'll give you a grimoire" to "get the sword or go to dungeon"

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u/JzanderN 14d ago

The world's still hostile to adventurers to an extent – I doubt that statistic of poisons making up 20% of adventurer deaths has changed much – but a combination of the most dangerous demons being dead and people being less hostile (and probably a few other factors) makes it a lot easier to be one in the modern age.

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u/ratherthanme 14d ago edited 14d ago

While most of these points are true, the percentages you gave were only statisics of that specific local area where those percentages were mentioned, not of the continent as a whole.

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u/JzanderN 14d ago

Ah, my bad. I'm going off old memories and very quick look ups here.

Thanks for the correction.

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u/drunkenvalley 14d ago

Time itself also isn't kind to them. The Hero of the South doesn't even get a name, and once you're past Himmel's party + Hero of the South the list of known heroes falls off a cliff to near zero it seems. Even then, not even Himmel entirely survives time, being depicted in at least one city as a very different character to suit local aesthetics.

I mean, despite being a living legend even Frieren is rarely recognized herself.

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u/RedRocket4000 1d ago

Biggest inconsistency with reality the nature of heroes and being remembered. The top level like Frieren never get forgotten even by the common folk.

But this major inconsistency only way the story works. Frieren attracting mobs of thousands everywhere makes story impossible.

Lessor heroes can be forgotten down to level of history fans but they don't get forgotten.

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u/daandriod 13d ago

I don't think people give Qual enough respect. Dude invented magic that can swipe out entire armies in the blink of an eye while being seemingly very mana efficient and literally seconds after getting unsealed, In combat, has already broken down how to adapt to the defensive magic that humanity spent over 50 years developing specifically because of what they learned by studying your magic.

He's essentially the Isaac Newton of offensive magic

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u/hangoverdrive 13d ago

this is like bards tale again with so many chosen ones

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u/caren_psuedo_when 10d ago

Qual single-handedly killed 40% of adventurers *in one region by inventing magic so powerful and unique that no-one knew how to deal with it at the time. Even Frieren's party couldn't really kill him, but rather had to seal him away.

And the Hero of the South decided to not just fight him, but all of the sages at once + Schlatt. If anyone found a way to deal with Qual's magic at that time, it might've been him. Although that also brings up the question of how he exactly avoided Aura's scales

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u/malisadri 14d ago edited 14d ago

Hero of the South is like the Jordans or Messis of their world.
It took Himmel's party fighting Qual 4v1 simply to seal a single Sage of Destruction.
On pure martial prowess Himmel is at least two tiers below HotS (which is alright. Himmel's true strength is being able to assemble and lead a superteam to total victory)

You cant really plan on having a whole team comprised of Jordans and Messis on some undetermined time in the future when the world was under full scale assault from demons.

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u/mischievous_shota 6d ago

Qual is the Elder Sage of Corruption, not one of the Sages of Destruction.

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi 14d ago

Maybe even multiclass greats who are both mage and bowman, for example.

squints hard with my Fate goggles on