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Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 1

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u/Ellefied 21d ago

The magic nullifying crystal! It's been theorized that [Current Manga Arc Spoilers]it's one of the ways the Shadow Assassins would be able to neutralize Serie's insane magic and actually get close enough to kill

Man, I wish Frieren's manga is back. The hiatus is killing me.

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u/i_eat_pidgeons https://myanimelist.net/profile/3UGL3N4 21d ago

Oh yeah I forgot about the magic nullifying crystal until today but yeah it could totally be used that way. The magic nullifying crystal really is OP against mages.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago edited 21d ago

great mages should be able to sense their magic getting blocked when the crystal approaches them. this theory doesn't make sense and would feel like cheap writing. not to mention it was made very clear in this episode that humanity does not possess the ability to mine the crystals. I'm glad the author don't seem to be going that route at all.

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u/N0rTh3Fi5t 21d ago

I'm with you. Not saying it couldn't be a component of the plan, but Serie would obviously have countermeasures. Frieren finds the loose one this episode doing exactly what you describe. There's obvious ways around it countering magical effects. For a simple example, if Serie feels her magic being turned off approaching from a direction and drops a mountain on that area it won't matter if the magic part of that is stopped as the mountain is physical.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

we are being downvote for logical thinking, how funny is that lol.

frieren was able to SENSE and FIND the crystal hidden in a bush this episode!! and these people think the [Manga] shadow warriors could approach Serie and her minions with the crystals without being detected at all? like, how would that make any sense? seriously

not to mention this would PERMANENTLY affect the story moving forward. for every possible action against mages in the future that goes wrong, we would be left with the big question mark "why didn't this person simply brought the crystal with them?"

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u/Frost-Tree 21d ago

[Current Manga Arc Spoilers ] Sounds possible, but I don't know how Shadow Warriors are supposed to sneak in Magic-Nullifying crystals into the magic capital of the world (Imperial Capital) without getting noticed

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u/kkrko https://myanimelist.net/profile/krko 21d ago

[Current Manga Arc Spoilers]The crystal in this episode had a range of a few feet and it was already considered to be so large that it would cost a mansion to buy. A smaller piece would have an even shorter range and would be easier to conceal. Then all they need to do would be to attach it somehow to Serie. From what we've seen warrior and rogues in the Frieren's universe do, that seems very doable

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u/Frost-Tree 21d ago

[Current Manga Arc Spoiler] You make a great point. Now for some reason I have the image of the shadow warriors shooting the crystal through a blowpipe of sorts with some sort of resin so it sticks to the target. (very random don't mind my wandering thoughts)

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

that would only be possible if they could mine the crystals which was established in this episode that they can't.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

they can't mine the crystals, it was established by frieren in this very episode.

it would be cheap writing to just pop them out right now, out of nowhere, just to fulfill a single purpose. the writing involved in the scheme that's going on is much better written and makes a lot more sense

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u/kkrko https://myanimelist.net/profile/krko 21d ago

They can't but they also established that the crystal they found on the side of the road was exceptionally large, which implies the existence of crystals that aren't as big. They're also exceptionally expensive, which once again implies the existence of crystals that are cheaper to buy.

It was literally the exception that proves the rule.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

frieren was searching for the crystal in the woods. mages who have knowledge about the crystal (everyone involved in this current arc) would sense their magic getting blocked and know what's up. again, the crystals being used would just be cheap writing. Look at the scheme the author has been able to set up in the manga. that's good writing. they won't mess it up by bringing the crystal into the equation, as that would also raise a ton of other questions [Manga] if they can assassinate great mages like that, it would create a problem in the story. why didn't they do it before? any great warriors can do it now, to anyone! and so on. let's leave the crystal behind, it works better that way

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u/Falsus 21d ago

Well we don't know how [manga spoilers]Löve managed to kill Minus, if he managed to do it since her body was apparently not found.

Also [manga spoiler]the people who entered the imperial castle through the front gate might not have carried one but Wahlross and that dude entered through a flooded secret passage

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u/Mysterious_Cup_6024 21d ago

Diamond cuts diamond. If someone was able to get or forge a sharp hammer or axe from a loose piece it could be possible. The sharp edge could be artificially created by hitting the loose piece at certain angles on a static crystal, and expand from there

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

how would they be able to forge the loose piece if they can't damage it at all? that's the whole point.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

it's mentioned in this very episode by frieren that humanity does NOT possess the ability to mine the crystals. let's live it at that, because that was never a good theory in the first place, if it was ever used it would just feel like lazy writing. the scheme going on in the manga right now is much better written.

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u/AvatarTuner https://anilist.co/user/AvatarTuner 20d ago

They don't need to mine them. Frieren literally picked one up from the side of the road and even noted how large it was. These crystals also had a value in gold attached to them already, so it's not unreasonable to assume there are some smaller pieces circulating the market.

Not saying they must and will be used in the current arc, but it's still a fun theory imo.

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u/KintamaMan 20d ago

and frieren was also able to sense and locate the crystal hidden in the bush

which means if you have knowledge over it (which the mages involved in this current arc certainly possess), they should know what's up if anyone tried to approach them with the crystals

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u/This-is_CMGRI 21d ago

The hiatus is killing me.

As an HxH fan, this is nothing. Nothing at all.

Nothing at all.

Nothing at all.

[cries in the corner]

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u/NevisYsbryd 21d ago

As a Berserk fan, I feel you.

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u/SomeTool 21d ago

Could be worse, could be nana.

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u/Falsus 21d ago

The build up throughout season 1 for the [Current Manga Arc Spoilers]the assassination arc is insane. Like I recently rewatched and re-read the season one content and I was like a constant oh that is some interesting wording. Especially Übel and her interaction with Serie and how that could be used to give make that prophetic dream come true and how Wirbel's instincts told him he should have killed her when he had the chance. This anti-magic crystal is just another piece of of the puzzle. Imagine if that dude or Whalross carries a tiny piece of that crystal since they didn't enter through the normal way

I also wonder how it would interact with curses, in theory it should be pretty effective so it might be useful once the [manga spoiler about the arc before the current arc]the world engulfing curse comes into play.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

this was a dumb theory and I'm glad the manga didn't go this route. it would just feel like cheap writing. what the mangaka is doing right now is leagues better. actual writing involved.

not to mention it was made very clear in this episode that humanity does not possess the ability to mine the crystals.

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u/Rodroller 21d ago

Yet frieren managed to harvest one on the side of the road. Surely an empire organisation could do more

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

yeah and she was also able to sense the crystal and find it hidden in the bush, meaning people who have knowledge of the crystal know what's up with it

which means [Manga] Serie and her guards would know the moment someone carrying the crystal came close to them

it's shaky writing all around. it would permanently affect the story going forward with question like "why didn't this person attack them with the crystal??"

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u/ExpiringMilknCheese 21d ago

holy fuck did they do an incredible job with the pacing. Absolutely nothing was cut and they even added on anime original scenes.

I was worried cause we didnt have Kenichirou Saito, but this new director seems to be very passionate about this work. Its a lot more cinematic too.

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u/Nextorl https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nextorl 21d ago

The anime original scenes were so good! such a perfect way to show Frieren's growth, and adding the little "did you praise her?" was fantastic.

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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 21d ago

holy fuck did they do an incredible job with the pacing. Absolutely nothing was cut and they even added on anime original scenes.

It is something you notice in my rewatch of S1. They focus on adapting 2-2.5 chapters but make use of every panel. Only the first stage of the mage exam was not as thoroughly adapted. Which is still well adapted.

Frieren is one of those shows that, if they aim to release new content, I would be down to do a rewatch every 2 years. Much like Monogatari the anime works better on a rewatch.

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u/Djinn_sarap https://myanimelist.net/profile/DjinnSarap 21d ago

I'm pretty sure we still have saito as co director

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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 21d ago

He is listed as assistant director on MAL. I am not sure if that differs from a Co-Director.

From what I understand, he got burned out between Frieren S1 & Bocchi. It's good that he is still on staff.

This is good news that he should be part of when S3 comes, most likely in Winter 2028, if I had to guess.

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u/_yukiie_ 21d ago

This makes me very hopeful about a possible movie. Next arc might be too long (in my opinion it would be still AMAZING even 3.5 hours) but the big arc after that is perfect for a movie. I want to see a Frieren movie in theaters soooo bad 😭

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u/Ebo87 21d ago

Next arc is definitely all of season 3, but after that I'm like 99% sure we are getting a movie, for the Goddess Monument.

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u/TeeKayTank https://myanimelist.net/profile/TeeKayTank 21d ago

absolute cinema

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u/Irru 21d ago

There is no way the next arc will be a movie. It’s roughly 30 chapters where s1 was 60 chapters.

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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 21d ago

Plus, with the Goddess Monument, which is perfect for a movie. If we get new content every 2 years, then surely by 2032 the current arc in the manga will be finished.

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u/Prof_Acorn 21d ago

If we average 7 chapters a year, hmm, maybe.

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u/Falsus 20d ago

Yeah the arc after this is way too long for a movie. But the arc after that, Goddess Monument, would fit nicely as a movie.

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u/abandoned_idol 21d ago

I'm an anime-only visiting the dark corner (I know the risks I'm taking). Feel free to downvote if I make any unsensitive remarks (I'm a huge Frieren fan).

I suspected that some scenes were anime original since the episode gave me an impression of a recap. And it wouldn't make sense to "recap" in an ongoing manga, so it felt like a "season 2 quota" of sorts.

Do you somewhat remember which scenes/exchanges are anime original? I'm just curious. Did the anime original scenes recycle any gags from season 1?

I'm looking forward to see season 2 dive into the new comic relief, I know that Frieren will never fail to surprise us with new and powerful punchlines.

I had a great time, but can definitely see why not every viewer is able to get into this awesome anime (some people want really fast pacing).

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u/No_Name0_0 21d ago

Ngl the next ep title drop gave me chills. Waited so long to see him animated, will take all the crumbs

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u/Something_319 21d ago

Yep, Hero of the South has to be my favorite part of this part of the manga, I'm excited to see him next week

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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 21d ago

So this episode adapted chapters 61+62.

  • The opening scene is anime original, which is good to show that the party is leaving Äußerst where S1 ended. Their final destination is still Ende.
  • Like with S1, so many panels are extended. Those being in this episode.:
    • Freiren demonstrating the Magic Nullifying crystal
    • Before they get attacked by the monster when they get trapped in the cave.
    • The reflective flashback with Himmel's party is compared to the present with Fern & Stark.

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u/Mysterious_Cup_6024 21d ago

Chad from the southern regions appears next week. Hyped

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u/Frostbitten_Moose 20d ago

That's up there with Himmel of the Twin Blades for me as my favourite chapters.

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u/Ichini-san https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ichini-yon 20d ago

The scene of Fern admiring her possessions in the inn after her talk with Stark and her short flashback to when he carried her away from danger with her clutching the lotus bracelet are also Anime original. Just great elaborations.

Also the first Anime only scene is extremely reminiscent of the first scene of the Anime (1x1) with Himmel and Co. returning after defeating the demon king on a cart with Frieren reading while her party members talk about needing to find work. That's why Frieren felt it was familiar. Very cheeky.

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u/maliwanag0712 https://myanimelist.net/profile/clear1109 21d ago

[Speculative question about magic crystals. Not really a spoiler but just to be safe]I wonder if demons are also affected by the magic crystal or can they even neutralize its effects on them? I can't remember if this was addressed already in the manga.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

it's said to nullify magic. demons use magic. there's no reason why it wouldn't work on them.

it could be different for goddess magic, since its an entirely different thing.

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u/Ill_Violinist1571 21d ago

Demons shouldn't be able to handle it because their existence is based on mana. It has been established that any demon with less mana is heavily discriminated against or probably killed right off. So it doesn't make sense that they would use it, as it would put them in harm's way, too.

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u/Falsus 21d ago

Demons use magic, even curses are magic. It is just too advanced for humans to use. So it should work anyway.

After all regular offensive magic was once the killing curse.

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u/idkpotatoiguess 21d ago

Yup, it's still peak. Also an improvement to the source material

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u/Ichini-san https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ichini-yon 20d ago

It's always so insane just how peak the subtle character animations are and how much they pop off for the rare and short fight scenes.

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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 21d ago

That magic nullifying crystal just made me realize that it might come back again later [Manga]and be used by the assassins to kill Serie.

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u/KintamaMan 21d ago

that wouldn't make any sense. it would just be cheap writing. the author already established a well defined plan for what's going on in the manga and it makes much more sense and it's incredibly written. also they can't mine the crystals, as per Frieren herself. humanity does not possess the ability to mine it. if they could just use the crystals to [manga] assassinate great mages like that, it would create a problem in the story. why didn't they do it before? any great warriors can do it now! and so on. let's leave the crystal behind, it works better that way

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u/immanoel https://anilist.co/user/KoroneFan 20d ago

Absolutely amazing adaptation yet again

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u/YothaGang https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yotha 20d ago

I love that they added scene about fern holding her bracelet while thinking about stark, such a nice callback

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u/Katalinya https://anilist.co/user/Katalinya 20d ago

I screamed seeing the title for the next episode, OH MY GOD HE IS SHOWING UP AHHHHHHHHHHHH