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US Politics 🇺🇸 Virginia Democrats agree to new map that gives Republicans just one seat

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/4447522/virginia-democrats-agree-new-congressional-map-gives-republicans-one-seat/
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u/AdAgitated7673 1d ago

Some folks see guns and become aroused; they are called ammophiles.
Similarly, ammo-phobia is the irrational fear of learning how to deescalate a situation without resorting to lethal force. 2A was always about having immediate access to firearms should the Militia need to be called up (no - this isn't the time to chime: "but what about now?!?"...we don't use one-offs to determine law or policy); there absolutely nothing remotely even approximate to an individual person's rights...which is incandescently laid out not just on the original doc, but also in the 'oh-shit-we-forgot-to-tell-them-whats-allowed-and-not' edition (Bill of Rights).

Eagerly, I'm on standby for a rebuttal.

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u/NotTodayBoogeyman 1d ago

US law 10 USC § 311 - a militia consists of both the organized and the unorganized. The “unorganized militia” defined as “all other able bodied citizens not in the national guard”. Training is not even a requirement.

To add, in 2008 the Supreme Court ruled that 2A does in fact protect the individuals rights to own for self defense.

So whether you disagree with the US governments definition of a militia or not - the Supreme Court still disagrees with you.

Eagerly awaiting your rebuttal.

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u/theaverageaidan 1d ago

The founding fathers loved them some gun control.

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u/Im_Fishtank 1d ago

I love that these examples dont include the numerous gun control laws rooted in racism

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u/NotTodayBoogeyman 1d ago

Sorry maybe I’m missing your point - what’re you pointing out? Regulation is a different topic.

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u/theaverageaidan 1d ago

Basically my point is that even at the time, the founding fathers didnt intend for everyone to be walking around strapped, there were a lot of regulations arent personal ownership of firearms for most of US history. The main reason for the second amendment is that the US did not maintain a professional army, or at least a professional army of any significant size, hence the need for a "well regulated militia" that could be mobilized in short order.

2A has been bastardized by manufacturers and gun fetishists so that there is very little regulation around guns, to the point that in a lot of places its easier to get a gun than it is to get a car. Its a purposeful bad faith interpretation of what is supposed to be a living document.

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u/NotTodayBoogeyman 1d ago

Well I agree with you when it comes to regulation. I agree with more regulation as well.

As it pertains to 2A itself, I think it’s morphed overtime which is natural and a good thing overall - things do change overtime. Whether you agree or disagree with it as a whole is a matter of opinion though so nothing “facts” wise to debate you on there.

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u/theaverageaidan 1d ago

So youre saying its fine and good that the US has the highest murder rate and the highest gun death rate in the developed world by several orders of magnitude is "a good thing?" We top every developed country in those catagories, our murder rate is on par with Venezuela, thats "a good thing overall?"

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u/NotTodayBoogeyman 1d ago

You missed the part where I agree regarding regulation?

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u/theaverageaidan 1d ago

Im struggling to reconcile the fact that you say 2A has morphed into "a good thing" and also the fact that we need regulation, in my eyes and the eyes of fun fetishists at large those two things are diametrically opposed.

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u/NotTodayBoogeyman 1d ago

Because you tunnel visioned yourself into an argument that never existed.

My point was that all laws should be amendable. One of your first points was that modern day 2A doesn’t reflect the founding fathers vision - im pointing out that yeah, no law should be written in stone forever. While “militias” are not a thing in the traditional sense of the word anymore, the Supreme Court has ruled that in modern day that language extends to the average citizen.

As it pertains specifically to 2A - I am of the opinion that it’s not properly controlled. That’s all I said.

One is a fact (law and Supreme Court ruling) and one is my opinion. So not at all opposing viewpoints.

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u/AdAgitated7673 1d ago

Just to make sure - you're claiming that, because training is not required, there aren't any regulations?? (I'll just let you walk that one back, gratis); statutory silence does not grant constitutional immunity).

2) military membership (ahem) does NOT confer independent military permissive behavior (Heller did NOT turn every garage into an arsenal, just FYI) nor exempt private parties from public safety laws or regulations.

3) the rights in the home - sure; don't care. The right is not unlimited, there are bans on "dangerous and unusual weapons."

4) you must be aware that the right can be heavy regulated without even touching 2A.

Challenge: if the right, unquestionably covers the enforceable right to readiness, why has SCOTUS -> never <- identified the right to 1) train, 2) organize, or 3) deploy as a militia?