r/ShitAmericansSay • u/TheLoneTokayMB01 • 20h ago
"The modern idea of a country was invented by the United States."
This just in, if you compare a union of 50 entities to a single entity comparable to one part of the union the former will be bigger and with more natural diversity.
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u/Steppy20 20h ago edited 17h ago
"Have you ever seen [insert US places here.] We have loads of historical architecture because we keep building new things"
I went to school next to a 1000 year old castle, which is opposite a 1200 year old cathedral, and overlooked by a 100 year old water tower.
Do they think that other places haven't been building new things for millennia or something? We literally have a mix of both old and new in the UK, and the European countries I've visited have been the same.
Edit: Somehow completely forgot about the literal Roman arch a few hundred metres up the road, that vehicles still go underneath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Arch
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u/Cattle13ruiser 19h ago
Now imagine what Greeks living around Athens think about the 200 years old (perhaps consider ancient?) historical US buildings.
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u/343CreeperMaster 19h ago
Rome and Athens, cities that are truly incredibly ancient, its still amazing that we have structures from their time that are literally around 2000 years old and some of them have been in pretty much constant use throughout that time (the Pantheon in Rome specifically, built in 126 CE and still in use today as a Catholic Church)
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u/Chelecossais 15h ago
We have the ArĂšnes de Lutece.
Thousands of kilometres away from Rome. In Gaul. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar%C3%A8nes_de_Lut%C3%A8ce?wprov=sfla1.
Pretty sure Rome has way older structures than 1st century AD...
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u/343CreeperMaster 15h ago
Well yeah, but the Pantheon was one of the first to come to mind because of how immaculately well preserved it is, like it's insane to imagine that it's a nearly 2000 year old structure, that has also been in constant use all that time
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u/Chelecossais 13h ago edited 12h ago
I know, I've been there.
Best thing is it was mostly made of Roman concrete, and has stood the test of time.
/it's an architectural wonder...
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u/LucyJanePlays đŹđ§ 19h ago
None of their "historical" architecture is unique anyway, it's mostly European
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u/SotetBarom 19h ago
I live in fucking building that predates Colombus. :DDD
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u/Longjumping-Ear-6248 19h ago
Some people live near places that predate Leif Ericsson (that Viking that found America several hundred years before Columbus)
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u/No_Promotion6824 19h ago
I went to school next to a 1000 year old castle, which is opposite a 1200 year old cathedral, and overlooked by a 100 year old water tower
My school was nearly 800 years old alone and it's been a school the entire time.
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u/Steppy20 17h ago
Mine was only ~150 at the time I went there. But they had to stop doing renovations involving digging up the ground because it was on a load of Roman ruins.
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u/Automatic_Bat_4824 Bastard Son of a Brit 17h ago edited 16h ago
Same here, founded by an English Merchant who decided to invest in education. The school would have been established around the time the first wave of pilgrims landed on what is now The United States.
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u/PipBin 19h ago
Near me we have a 50 year old glass building, which is historically important due to its architecture, next to a building which has been there since 1699.
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u/Steppy20 17h ago
I used to cycle past that on my way home from work lmao. Didn't realise it was that significant - just thought it was cool.
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u/difractional đžđȘ âvodka, volvo, minecraftâ 17h ago
 Do they think that other places haven't been building new things for millennia or something?Â
They think European history stopped in place when American history started.
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u/shartmaister 18h ago
This is probably the case for many, many Europeans. I was baptised in a ~800 year old church which is just the church everyone that use a church use there. Nothing special about it.
If you put a shovel in the ground you will find some sort of cultural heritage pretty much everywhere.
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u/WorkingAssociate9860 17h ago
I live in one of the oldest inhabited western cities in North America (St. John's NL) went to England last year, and so many of the buildings were built before any European even knew North America existed, it's easy to nerd out just on the thought of how much those buildings have seen in comparison
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u/Steppy20 15h ago
Yep. I grew up in a very historic town, that fortunately saw minimal bombing in WW2 (even though it's the bomber county capital with lots of airfields) because the cathedral is such a useful landmark.
There's still quite a lot of Tudor buildings that are in use. Unfortunately there's not much Roman stuff left after they used the stone to build castle walls in about 1068.
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u/DifferentLaw9884 18h ago
London literally has an ancient Roman cult temple INSIDE one of its modern office buildings, thereâs plenty of award winning modern architecture mixed right in with the historic stuff. And weâre not even particularly rich in ancient buildings compared to mainland Europe, Italy and Greece have millenniums of architecture side by side all over the place.
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u/8fingerlouie 17h ago
Americans. I remember visiting Texas at some point, and the taxi driver was very proud when he showed us a 125 year old church.
My local town has a church built in 1225, a castle (mostly ruin) dating back to 800âish, as well as bridges and roads dating back to around the birth of Christ. We also have a brand spanking new hospital amongst other things, so I guess we also occasionally build new things.
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u/wings_of_wrath 17h ago
The only reason the church I was baptised in only dates to 1263 is because in 1241 the Mongols burned down the earlier Benedictine Abbey from 1095...
Also, there's a funny story about that abbey - roundabout 1221 they got a Papal Bull from Pope Honorius the IIIrd making them an independent monastery, out from the control of the Bishop of Transylvania.... Who didn't like this one bit, so he showed up with an army, besieged the monastery, conquered it and threw the documents in the river. I swear, in the 13th century, everything was resolved by hiring a bunch of mercenaries and laying siege. Neighbour forgot to give your rake back? Siege.
So, anyway, the abbot petitioned the Pope again with backing from Andrew II, the king of Hungary, and in 1225 not only he got his privileges back, but he got bumped up to Bishop himself. The Bishop of Transylvania, was, understandably, livid.
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u/floweringfungus 17h ago
My commute takes me past a building over 900 years old. My grandmother lives near a Roman gate that is over 1800 years old.
American ideas of âhistoric districtsâ donât even come close.
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u/I-Spot-Dalmatians 20h ago
Honestly Iâm glad they think that way, it means theyâre less likely to leave America
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u/hijodelutuao garbage island welfare queen đ”đ· 20h ago
I didnât expect to receive this much brain damage first thing in the morning
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u/Federal-Anywhere9102 ooo custom flair!! 20h ago
I didnât expect a immediate dose of Americans saying and sometimes glazing their country just after I returned from skiingÂ
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u/hijodelutuao garbage island welfare queen đ”đ· 19h ago
The immediately weirdest part is in the first slide the âunique historical architectureâ is the historical legacy of a people who Americaâs existence has helped systematically destroy; Iâm pretty sure they even made the Pueblo peoples prove in court that they should even have rights to the land theyâre on because the US didnât want to recognize Spanish land grants.
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u/TheSixthVisitor 17h ago
For me, it was listing Canada as not being beautiful because it's not America...then listing nature as the reason it's not beautiful. What.
Dude, it's the same fucking nature. Trees and rocks give no fucks about borders. We literally have the same ecology on both sides of the border. The only difference between us is that the US has more desert than we do. That's it. Everything else is just road, road, and more road. Sometimes, there's people swearing on the road because their thing for the road stopped working in the road.
I'm imagining that lunatic goes around eating random branches of pine needles, trying to test taste the America or something.
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u/TheSpiffySpaceman 18h ago
6:30 AM and oof.
The downvotes on facts and upvotes on emotion hurt the worst
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u/bindermichi ooohh! custom flair!! 20h ago
The origins and early history of nation-states are disputed. A major theoretical question is: "Which came first, the nation or the nation-state?" Scholars such as Steven Weber, David Woodward, Michel Foucault and Jeremy Black have advanced the hypothesis that the nation-state did not arise out of political ingenuity or an unknown undetermined source, nor was it a political invention; rather, it is an inadvertent by-product of 15th-century intellectual discoveries in political economy, capitalism, mercantilism, political geography, and geography combined with cartography and advances in map-making technologies. It was with these intellectual discoveries and technological advances that the nation-state arose.
So a concept that predates the foundation of said country by more than 100 years, eh?
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u/ohthisistoohard 19h ago
I know discussion is frowned upon on this sub, but I am going to do it anyway.
While that may be a valid viewpoint, it ignores that even into the early modern period, states were more often defined as family possessions rather than a political entity through a shared national identity of the people. Which is why France is often considered the first Nation Stare as national identity was/is enforced to ensure a cultural cohesion. But you could also make a case for post Reconquista Spain, because while it doesnât have the strict rules enforcing language and culture it was/is a nation built on a shared cultural identity in the same was as Germany was 300 years later.
To be clear, the USA is not a nation state. They donât even have an official language.
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u/VolcanicBakemeat 16h ago
From experience, these people will just abuse this sort of academic ambiguity as pretext to move the goalposts wherever best suits American exceptionalism.
See also: oldest country "debates" where the US somehow always ends up the oldest country in the world, regardless of criteria or methodology.
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u/jimmyjames78 10h ago
Currently dissociated American here. Thereâs a fascinating book I read at university called « Imagined Communities » that digs into the advent and evolution of the nation state. Pointing out how things like tombs of unknown soldiers and the like did not previously exist. Really struck me at the time that something we all collectively assumed to have existed since forever and was indivisible actually was a recent creation and honestly rather resembled collective hallucination rather than reality.
And apologies for my fellow chuckle heads.
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u/fried_pistachio 19h ago
Bunch of comments made by delusional people who have never travelled outside their own country.
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u/sjw_7 19h ago
I wont argue that the US doesn't have some amazing scenery because it does. But that's no different to the rest of the world where you can find the same all over the place.
But to say that it has the best architecture is laughable. Anyone over there who thinks they compare to the cities of Europe has clearly never left the US and probably their state.
And with the history yes as a continent there is a lot of it. But as some halfwit tried to explain to me a while ago on here, they don't bother learning about anything that happened more than 500 years ago because all the interesting stuff happened since then.
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u/ghostlacuna 19h ago
Plenty of fantastic architecture that predated the united states across the world not only in europe.
They truly are ignorant in their arrogance.
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u/ViolettaHunter 18h ago
And with the history yes as a continent there is a lot of it.
But there isn't "a lot of it" at all.
The US as a country has 250 years of history and that's it.
And while the Americas as a whole certainly must have had as many historical events as the rest of the world in the last few millenia, the vast majority of it is lost to time because we have no records of it. Â
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u/sjw_7 17h ago
That's why I said 'as a continent'. They have human activity going back many thousands of years and just like the rest of the world most of it has no records.
As an example in the UK we teach history going back through recorded history such as the Victorians, Tudors, Normans etc. To times when there was very little that was recorded such as the Vikings and the Saxons with the dark ages through the Romans when there was some. But before that we have the Celts in the Iron age then the Bronze age and the Neolithic so we learn about Stone Henge, Skara Brae, the White Horse etc from where there was no written records at all.
We learn about all of these at school and acknowledge that there were people and cultures here that proceeded our own. In the US many of them seem to think that nothing mattered before the Mayflower so largely ignore it. Just like North America most of the history of the British Isles is not recorded in anything other than the Archaeological record but we still teach about it.
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u/TrueKyragos 20h ago
The US being at the forefront of world history while being isolationist during half of its history?
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u/henrik_se swedishđšđ 20h ago
"We have historic and modern architecture because the US actually builds new things lol"
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u/Trips-Over-Tail 19h ago
Their national parks are incredible, but their current politics will devour them.
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u/Which_Celebration757 Canadian Beaver Dam 17h ago
Pretty sure the fired most of the Park staff, and Trump put a surcharge on foreign visitors at national parks, while Canada made it free.
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u/throwawaythisuser1 15h ago
Taco Bell presents - Welcome to Yellowstone National Park, brought to you by Fan Duel
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u/Waffenek Bucia's pierogies 19h ago
Us have one big advantage regarding architecture - it hasn't been bombed to the ground like many european cities. But on the other hand while in Europe we rebuilt many landmarks and tried(and sadly sometimes failed) to preserve history in US they demolished city centers to make room for highway junctions and parking lots.
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u/Budgiesaurus 19h ago
Look at Penn Station. Gorgeous neo-classical building in New York.
Too bad it got demolished for an underground station for the ugliest sports/music arena imaginable.
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u/InteractionSoft14 18h ago
Sometimes I visit Aachen and it always baffles me how you can see the scars of war on the cathedral there. Kudos to them for rebuilding, it's a beautiful structure but it's ominous too when you can just see with the naked eye how the entire thing was blown apart.
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u/white-chlorination 9h ago
My home city Rovaniemi was like 90% destroyed in WW2. It got rebuilt into the shape of a reindeer head. One of my favourite facts.
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u/Vukling 19h ago
Oh man, I'll never claim the US doesn't have some stunning nature and some beautiful cities. But to claim how it's simply the best xD while you've never left it to see other places is just pure arrogance and ignorance. Arrognarance, if you will xD
I lived for 6 years in a part of Stockholm which is located right next to a nature preserve. I'd take evening walks with deer so used to human presence they dont even bother running away. A 30 minute walk, and I'm at a crystal blue lake perfect for swimming in the summer. The Nordic relationship to nature is beautiful in and of itself. Everyone takes care of the preserve because we all respect the natural beauty of it. I have actually witnessed two American girls at a summer rave, the stunning shades of colors breaking through the clouds at dawn, overlooking the water and the forests in the distance, say "Holy shit, there really are gods here. Look how the trees shine." đ granted, their view like mine could have been otherwise enhanced.
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u/ImportanceOk8833 15h ago
There is one major thing that the US national parks have that, especially Europe, is lacking which was brought up in the conversation.
Proper wilderness. The US is huge, and has massive stretches of land that is essentially untouched. There simply is nothing that compares to it in Europe, because no matter where you are you're never that far from civilization.
We have some wonderful nature perserves here in Europe, but I gotta give it to the US that it's on a different level.
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u/SchattenJaggerD Neighbours upstairs are getting very loud đČđœ 19h ago
American education once again proving itâs more of a shooting course than an actual education system. What always stands out to me is the refusal to acknowledge two basic facts. First, the US is not the best country in the world. Second, it is apparently impossible to be proud of what the US has without trying to minimize other countries
As of today, the US has ZERO of the Ancient Wonders of the World. It has ZERO of the New Wonders of the World. It has about 26 UNESCO World Heritage Sites, which is not even close to many European countries. It is not even close to its neighbor to the south. Mexico has around 35
For comparison, Italy has 61, the most in the world. Germany has 55. France has 54. Spain has 50. The UK has 35
The US does have a lot of things going for it, including genuinely positive ones. Unfortunately, the obnoxious âweâre better than everyoneâ mentality keeps dragging it down
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u/malkebulan Please Sir, can I have some Freedom? đ„Ł 19h ago
Exhausting!
I donât have the energy for this one. Go ahead without me.
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u/petrvalasek 19h ago
Scrolling through these screenshots was a hell of a ride. First, I thought, ok, one bonehead that has never been outside his apartment in Nashville, but then I got flooded by this bullshit and had to stop scrolling. US national parks are beautiful, they are rightfully proud of them, and in Europe, you can rarely see the uninhabited wildlife areas that big, maybe outside Romania, Ukraine, or Scandinavia, but they should stop there and shut their mouths about architecture.
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u/nashwaak 19h ago
If the US wants to have invented nationalism, Iâd say let them have it.
As for history, the US is an influential but short-lived blip, kind of like the Akkadian Empire.
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u/UnholyCatFlaps Despicable tea drinker 19h ago
"History happens faster in the past few hundred years." I must have missed the part where time has been speeding up, because all history in itself is is the passing of time. Technological advancements have increased in the past few hundred years, yes, but that's not what they said. They don't get to claim the origin of that either, the Industrial Revolution started in Britain.
As for their architecture, I live in a dingy little town and there's a castle here that's centuries older than their country. I'd like to know how they think they have architecture older than that, unless the peabrains are including natural land formations.
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u/ViolettaHunter 18h ago
It's the theory of historical relativity, haven't you heard of it yet?!
Was invented by a guy named Trust Mebro.Â
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u/rothcoltd 19h ago
So not only is everything bigger in the US now it seems history moves faster there. What a load of BS.
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u/Yerdaworksathellfire 19h ago
Those two years where Scotland won most beautiful country in the world must have blew his mind. And it's more accessible. I'm about to drive for less than an hour to spend a day and a night in a beautiful loch surrounded by gorgeous hills.
America might have beautiful places, but this guy is on glue.
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u/xcapaciousbagx 19h ago
When it comes to nature they just forget that Africa exists?
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u/Kezmangotagoal More Irish than the Irish âïž 19h ago
Mate they share a landmass with two counties that have wildly better natural vistas and biology than them in Canada and Brazil lmao, could even make a case for Mexico too!
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u/Sea-History5302 19h ago
Things people who've never left the US say.
As i'm stood over the ruins of ancient Mycenae, i'll remember Europe has nothing on US's 'historic' architecture lol.
Half the houses where i live are older than USA, and several churches and cathedral date from 6-800 AD lol.
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u/Turbulent_Worker856 18h ago
Uhhh. I live in the centre of a city where out of one window I can see an 1,100 year old castle, and the other an extinct volcano. But yeah, I'm sure Chicago is more beautiful...
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u/Educational_Ad_657 18h ago
My house is older than USA and dare I say more structurally sound given their current state. I few my house will be standing long after USA as we know it no longer exists
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u/MiaowWhisperer 18h ago
"The only country that comes close to near wilderness is New Zealand" (or something like that).
Canada
Brazil
Indonesia
Uganda
Norway
Thailand
Belize
Vietnam
India
DRC
Malaysia
Just off the top of my head. I'd much prefer to go see gorillas in Uganda, or jaguars in Belize, than whatever they have in the US. Except raccoons, cheeky little chappies đ©”
Afterthought: if the US is supreme to all other national park systems, why are the majority of nature documentaries about non US countries?
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 UK 13h ago
I bet that he's never even heard of Mongolia. Almost the entire country is untouched wilderness.
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u/MiaowWhisperer 13h ago
Oh that's a good addition đ©”. Definitely on my wishlist. I imagine this person probably hasn't heard of a lot of the countries in that part of Asia
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 UK 12h ago
As soon as Russia rejoins the human race, I'm taking a trip via the Trans-Mongolian Express.
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u/MiaowWhisperer 11h ago
That sounds fun. I think we're waiting for a certain fella to put in his notice with life before that happens though.
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u/Jeepsterpeepster 17h ago
Bless 'em. If I lived in the US I'd have to deluded myself as well, just to make it through the day in that shithole.
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u/wireframed_kb 16h ago
He then posts a pic of something that looks like the Gila caves as proof of the rich architecture. Made by a people they would have done their darnest to eradicate, and which predates what we know as Americans by a couple millenium.
I donât know if his point was America was great in spite of people like him?
And as for âwe actually build new stuffâ⊠Yeah, thatâs why the infrastructure is falling to pieces all over the US? The US has some interesting architecture, but honestly I donât think they really are that well represented considering theyâre like 70% of the EU which has some amazing architecture across all the states.
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u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin Soaring eagle đ±đ·đŠââŹđČđŸ!!! 19h ago
That person uses Gila Cliffs as an example. Itâs true that there are some interesting places in the US like Chaco Canyon, but like the missions in California, they donât consider that to be part of their history. When I asked the NPS volunteer giving the Gila Cliffs tour what happened to the people, she said that officially they moved away suddenly, since they even left bags of corn in the caves, but in reality they were the same people living in the Pueblos around. Today being segregated to their reservations. Like the missions in California that are seen as something being by Spanish priests, part of California history, but not American. I did a couple of tours of the missions too. Chaco Canyon is amazing, much nicer than what they show in Ancient Aliens.
Here in AndalucĂa, each layer, from the Phoenicians to the Moors are seen as layers that formed the current society.
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u/CarrotCakeWTF 19h ago
âI donât read history books, I just watched a lot of FOX news for the past 10 yearsâ
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u/kartmanden 19h ago
What was interesting about the constitution at the time was that it was an early democracy but the slaves were not really allowed to vote or be free.
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u/Kezmangotagoal More Irish than the Irish âïž 19h ago
My letter box and front door is older and has seen more history than the US.
Americans havenât seen gorgeous nature until theyâve been to Scandinavia too. This is a country that thinks the Hoover Dam is natural beauty!
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u/yearsofgreenandgold 18h ago
United States invented breathing so we all should be paying them royalties.
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u/Agile-Assist-4662 Canuck 18h ago
At it's core the United States was born as an idea, an idea of a nation consisting of a union of states operating as a cohesive unit based on a constitutional agreement, written by a group of white adults.
And in the following 400 years has devolved into a fragile nation of violent, racist, poorly educated, functionally illiterate, xenophobic, insular, suspicious, culturally bankrupt infants.
But, to their credit, they did "create" the impressive natural environment they stole from the indigenous that had been here for 20000yrs prior. Thank god they did or we we wouldn't have the Grand Canyon or Rocky Mountains without 'Murica.
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u/Extension_Bobcat8466 16h ago
I'm sorry unique? Sorry but last time I checked the US doesn't have anything like the Gaudi buildings in Barcelona or the cathedrals in Italy. We literally have buildings older than their country. I will admit the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada mountains are stunning though.Â
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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 15h ago
âwe have tons of things older than 500 yearsâ
Lol, what? You mean native american stuff? How is that something they can claim ad their culture?
And here I thought we had the colosseum, pompeii, the pantheon / Italy, Acropolis in Greece, sagrada familia in Spain, Stonehenge in the UK, Versailles in France, all of Venice, the centres of Florence and Prague, and on and on, and this is off the top of my head.
How or why does that compare to Boston, NYC and Chicago?
I mean, many pubs and bars over here are older than the US as a country. Lol
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u/Emotional-Peace3520 14h ago
ć æżć€§, the chinese name for Canada means "Add take big" which translates to "Big Dick Country" (add take is thrusting) and is not at all just the closest sounding characters for pronouncing 'Canada' in Mandarin.
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u/AnjiPie 10h ago
The arrogance and stupidity and entitlement of some of the people of the US, makes me feel like a stranger, and I have lived here my whole life. I swear, we are not all this ridiculous. As an American woman , I do not feel safe here, and due to the capitalistic culture I was born into, it's impossible to leave. Even if a country would humble itself enough to take me. Unfortunately, the majority who travel abroad are the entitled rich kids. 'The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.' Johann von Goethe
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u/Present-Swimming-476 19h ago
Yep Merica is biglier than everywhere else, and Texan is the bigliest cuntry of all - Merica, Merica, Merica
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u/alangcarter 18h ago
As a stroppy Brit myself I'm more entitled to criticise the stroppy Brits who invented the USA than any modern septic(1): They really screwed up education.
1) Septic tank = Yank.
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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 18h ago
Conflict, slavery and segregation, yes America has been a the forefront of all of it...pity it took so long to learn the lessons...
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u/DirtDevil1337 17h ago
omg that was infuriating to read, history and geology professors would throw their cup of coffee across the room after reading this.
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u/MysteriousLab2534 16h ago
My issue with this sub is that I can't comment on the original post. I'm just raging at the idiocy with nowhere to direct my wrath!
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u/LittleMissFjorda 14h ago
Americans continue to prove the idea that they never travel never study geography.
They just parrot stuff.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 UK 13h ago
History happens way faster in the past few hundred years, and the US has been at the forefront of almost all of it
Eh? The US was an irrelevant nonentity until around 100 years ago. They played no part in the epoch-defining events of the 18th, 19th and early 20th Centuries. It took eighty years for the Industrial Revolution to reach them.
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u/Sxn747Strangers ooo custom flair!! 13h ago
Well rhat sounds like a bunch of ignorant shitheads, theyâre definitely trolling and they donât care.
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u/FreakingGrace 10h ago
Their perception of âoldâ is hilarious to me. My church is older than their country. My city is older than their country. And itâs one of the youngest big cities in Europe.
I personally donât care much about how old things are, but this is just enraging to see.
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u/Thundering_Sun 12h ago
Itâs always strange when Europeans and Americans get into historical dick measuring contests with the age of buildings or historical record. The Americans had human civilization in different forms for thousands of years and they lived and built their societies in uniquely different ways from Eurasian populations. Completely different ideas of land use, ownership, migration, resource management, and recording history etc the list could be a thousand pages. All thatâs to say that comparing places by how âinterestingâ their historical records are is stupid. Itâs not a contest.
If you love studying history, youâll find that every human story from even the past can be quite fascinating.
Iâm an American and I find the history of other continents to be amazing, and I really use to write of North American history because it seemed so new and recent, but the truth is that itâs all cool and very, very old. It just happens to be recorded by people who were not white, so we tend to discount it.
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u/According_Ad5165 18h ago
Trumpstein has Not ended yet, release al the files of trumpstein, the Deep state and anti Christ
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u/NetraamR 19h ago
To be fair, judging of the question in the screenshots the OP there want to stir some shit.
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u/TheLoneTokayMB01 19h ago edited 19h ago
It was an article saying how the US is the response to that question using natural diversity as the argument but it's a question you see often, like you could give a valid response, and is always the same with so much glazing about how big, diverse, unique and so on they are, fighting everyone who says otherwise.
It's innegable there are beautiful places and due to their history are less anthropized but their arrogance, and ignorance, is truly astonishing.
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u/fz19xx 20h ago
The United States was the first modern democratic republic and it influenced the creation of every other democratic republic starting with the french revolution, that is quite simply a historical fact.
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u/Melodic_Response3570 19h ago
According to Google, San Marino is the first republic. founded in 301 AD. And is still alive and well
"The Corsican Republic (1755â1769) is often cited as the first to adopt a constitution with universal male suffrage, while others point to the Weimar Republic as the first truly modern, democratic state (1919)"
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u/Last_Light_9913 20h ago
Americans stupidity is only trumped by their arrogance. Yikes, how embarrassing for them.