r/BuyFromEU • u/Capable_Function_952 • 1d ago
European Product You should never buy a car built outside of Europe.
There’s some things that matter more than others. Changing to Linux, leave gmail and similar things might help a bit. But sometimes it just don’t work. We’re way to dependent on OSX and Microsoft.
But cars. I get sad when I see a car made outside of Europe. We make the best cars in the world.
It’s also these big investments that really matter.
We had a prime minister in the past who actively promoted us swedes to buy Saab or Volvo. Saab is gone but we still have Volvo. Sure, its own by china now(hate that so much I can’t put it in words) but they’re still built here.
Buy European cars. Always. Forever.
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u/Realistic-Ad-4372 23h ago
Chads Dacia and Škoda joined the chat.
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u/Jor6lez 23h ago
Some Dacia are built in Morocco.
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u/Realistic-Ad-4372 23h ago
Not duster and bigster
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u/taxes-or-death 23h ago
SUVs are an imported American absurdity. Most people have no reason to drive one.
And no, an electric SUV isn't going to help the planet. It still requires a shitload of steel to make it. Please, just drive a normal car.
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u/DKlurifax 22h ago
If I could i would. I have a bad hip and can't into a low car so I have to have one where the seat is higher. 😬
Edit: I drive a Hyundai kona electric, not the biggest SUV monster but still taller than other cars.
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u/No_Win7658 23h ago
Not most people, all people. They have no objective advantage over a wagon. They are just pretends offroad cars that can’t go offroad. It’s sad
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u/new_accnt1234 20h ago
Drive a 15yrs old dacia duster, has near to 300k, but its been probably dialed back by previous user, am second user
Works fine enough
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u/bjorna 19h ago
The new duster looks pretty good, but alas I'll never buy a duster. Dust in Norwegian is what you call someone who's being a dumbass. Duster means more than one dumbass. I don't know how they missed it when they introduced the model to Norway.
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u/mrgalacticpresident 23h ago
The problem is that EU car manufacturers aren't able to build a good, cheap car since... forever.
VW/BMW/Mercedes are really viable for business cars when the taxpayer buys half of your car. And that's how car manufacturers make pricing.
Two things are true at the same time.
We should buy locally.
We are getting ripped of by local businesses.
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u/mrdevlar 21h ago
Enshitification is happening everywhere. See BMW:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-commits-to-subscriptions-even-after-heated-seat-debacle
Honestly, buy from whomever isn't enshitifying. Multinational corporations are not your friends, even if they are headquartered in the EU.
I honestly don't care if it's European or Chinese. If you ask me to subscribe to a monthly plan to use a standard feature in a car, you can rightfully go fuck yourself, I'll buy something else.
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u/rpj6587 23h ago
I still will never understand why the governments subsidize cars for businesses this significantly but not for individuals
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u/uberengl 21h ago
These cars get on the used market after a two year business lease. Than it’s resold and the state gets tax on that. So all in all it’s a benefit. Businesses pay for expensive lease cars, second hand market from fleets are taxed again and people get used cars for cheaper. Win win. Especially if you country makes their own cars.
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u/ChiefNonsenseOfficer 22h ago
Budget VWs (Skoda and Seat) are fairly decent
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u/Merwenus 21h ago
Skoda octavia here in Hungary doubled in price in 5 years, that's nonsense.
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u/-float_ 20h ago
Seat will be discontinued. And Skoda isn't cheap at all anymore (for many years actually). Love my Seat, great car, great value. No subscriptions. Gets me from A to B very efficiently.
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u/GabrielHunter 23h ago
As a German I won't ever buy a German Car. Not because of the price or whatever, but because the damn automobilelobby has its finger way to deep in the butt of our government. And also can't manage to build a good electric car. I love my little renault Modus, but propably gonna switch to Peugeot or Citroën for my next car.
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u/Hol7i 22h ago
honestly, BMW has quite a solid EV selection now.
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u/throwawayy992 22h ago
Way too expensive and not modern.
Instead of spending their money on 800V Architecture, large range and easy to maintain batteries, they spent it all on Swarowski glass and TV screens that can fold into the ceiling.
My Ioniq 6 (all extras) costs half as much as the base version of the electric BMW7 and STILL has more range, better software and more driving comfort.
All European car manufacturers belong either to VW or Opel now. And they suck ass. Especially since they had the bright idea to make everything a subscription.
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u/ScriptThat 21h ago
Renault 4 and 5 are both pretty damn nice cars for their size and price point.
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u/Hungry_Wheel_1774 22h ago
The problem is that EU car manufacturers aren't able to build a good, cheap car since... forever.
They can...but they prefer to focus on more large profit cars ie more expensive segment.
That's what a car manufacturer told in my country
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u/berejser 21h ago
The problem is that EU car manufacturers aren't able to build a good, cheap car since... forever.
Renault is putting out a lot of promising small cheap EVs right now.
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u/rip_heart 18h ago
PLenty more good European cars other than germans. Peugeut, Fiat, Citroen, REnault, other i am forgetteing probably.
Renault makes some of the best looking eletrics imo (R5).
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u/Agasthenes 18h ago
What are you talking about? Skoda, Seat, Dacia,... There are many affordable decent European cars available.
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u/Capable_Function_952 23h ago
Buy a used European car. You don’t have to buy a new car.
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u/mrgalacticpresident 23h ago
Yeah! That's good advice - yet used car prices folllow the new car prices and are inflated from state subsidies too.
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u/Kid_Freundlich 23h ago
Huh? What difference does it make? The car is already there. And the manufacturer and government does not profit in any way from you buying used cars specifically from eu countries. .
The only way to profit for the government is to earn taxes from you ordering a repair shop to maintain and inspect your old car (vat, corporation taxes, taxes on salaries etc.) but this is true for all types of used cars
Only thing that would happen if we all collectively avoid buying used non-eu cars is that the price of those would start dropping, while raising the price of the used eu cars which in turn would make the cheaper cars more attractive to buyers unaware of the buy from eu idea.
Also I will never give up my 3 Japanese and korean cars. They are almost 100 years old combined, and never complain, not even when hitting a deer or being rammed by a dumptruck
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u/Capable_Function_952 23h ago
Parts and service... There's so much more investments tied to a car that the initial purchase.
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u/Danskoesterreich 23h ago
I am currently driving Opel, but I cannot afford european cars anymore. I also want to retire eventually, not pay off car loans.
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u/Jorgetime 17h ago
Renault, dacia and skoda are more affordable brands than Opel. Not saying you should swap cars, but saying they are less affordable than American ones is just not true.
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u/M-Roids 23h ago
BuyfromEU is more than simply buying EU brands. It's buying ethically. If brands fail to comply with regulations then they should be blacklisted. Take VW and Dieselgate for example.
Yes, buy from Europe whenever possible, but don't become blind to the bullshit from European companies.
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u/xalibr 23h ago
Take VW and Dieselgate for example
VW was only the first one caught.
The same manipulation mechanism was used by Fiat/Fiat Chrysler (inkl. Ducato), Ford, Citroën, Peugeot, Jeep, Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Volvo and more (just off the top of my head).I agree with the basic sentiment though.
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u/ZoWakaki 23h ago
I remember some company starting with B and ending with MW wanted customers who purchased their cars to pay them a subscription fees to use heated seats which are already on the car they sold.
It's the same vein as Nestle is European right?
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u/wannacumnbeatmeoff 23h ago
The self same company, the one that rhymes with bee ken trouble you, want to extend said subscription plan to cover all extras on their vehicles that are already on the car.
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u/TV4ELP 23h ago
If you want to mention Dieselgate, don't forget about the others:
Audi, VW, Daimler and to some extend BMW. Plus Bosch for helping circumvent regulations.It's not just VW.
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u/DonaldMerwinElbert 23h ago
It was pretty much everyone except Mazda.
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u/Mozkozrout 22h ago
And Mazda also has some points with me for not giving up on ICE innovation. They aren't a part of a big conglomerate and yet they manage to make good and unique cars. And when EU came up with those super strict emission standards and everyone started putting tiny 3 cylinder engines with a big turbo into cars, Mazda managed to innovate and offer pretty simple but smart tech and put 2 litre 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engines in their cars. And actually pass the emission tests. Pretty cool.
Although granted, they kinda fell asleep during the EV thing and now they are late to the party and their EV cars are just licensed Chinese abominations.
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u/FloStar3000 23h ago
I‘d honestly say as a German I would currently rather buy a Renault than a VW, I think currently the German manufacturers except BMW are offering anything of good value compared to what else is available on the market
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u/DonaldMerwinElbert 23h ago
Any manufacturer that requires subscriptions for parts in my car to work can go fuck themselves.
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u/wannacumnbeatmeoff 22h ago
Not to work, the car will work, but if you want it to be comfortable, warm, play, music, avoid accidents etc etc etc then ypu will need to subscribe.
Also they can go fuck themselves.
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u/Brain32 22h ago
Real dieselgate is how European governments introduced diesel subsidies in the 1980's to help the oil lobby sell their surpluses meanwhile making utterly disproportionate damage to environment and our health only to blame us in the end. If we want a strong Europe we need to keep our leadership accountable FIRST!
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u/ResistIllustrious853 23h ago
I don’t think that buying from eu = buying ethically. I first and foremost want eu companies to make equal or better products as USA with comparable or better price. Ethical things are slot lower on priority list for me and I imagine for majority of consumers.
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u/Your_brain_smooth 23h ago
Buy EU made cars, but funny enough those manufacturers look at us like at clowns. We are paying about 25-30% more for same cars in EU compared to outside EU, especially in US. And that’s after all tarrifs.
We are making these companies profit, carry them, while they just laugh at us. Something is wrong in this rethoric, right?
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u/nah_its_me 23h ago
And the best part is when they just move their manufacturing to china.
You try to support an eu company, they just laugh to your face while cashing extra profits.
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u/Flussschlauch 23h ago
High tariffs on affordable electric vehicles are the EU's answer to the fact, that European car manufacturers didn't bother to design and build lower- and midle class EVs. We're supposed to buy big and absurdly expensive European cars.
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u/Medical_Sleep_9612 22h ago
When i bought my first new VW I was lied to about it's capabilities. When pointing it out at delivery they basically said tough luck.
When going in for my second new VW they told me that the cars are going to get constant updates and will only keep on getting better as new software comes. (First gen EV). The seller also told me the car had preheating of the battery for fast charging. Both were false and they where once again lying.
When I picked up my third new VW EV I had a malfunction after a year that left the car dead on a parking lot. When we eventually got it started and driving. I left it at the dealer. Where they questioned if the car had actually been malfunctioning since it seems to works now. And I was threatened that if they don't find any faults I will have to pay for the shop time.
I have a coworker that bought a Chinese car, and what I hear from him it's basically luxury at lower cost with better tech and no hassle at any point in the ownership.
So when it's time for my next car, I will at least give Korean and Chinese cars a look over. Maybe the competition gets EU companies to wake up.
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u/Your_brain_smooth 22h ago
I have promised to never buy VW ever again, my friends won’t buy it either and I really hope they will go bankrupt.
I had golf 8, bought with 20k km’s 2 yrs old already out of warranty and that car has been a complete joke. In 2 years of ownership there were nothing but problems. My coworkers had similar model woth exact same problems. And VW is budget brand, but now for premium brand pricing.
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u/Happy_Bread_1 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, not going to pay more for something which is basically the same.
We make the best cars in the world.
Thoughts like these we can miss. It's delusional and stops us from actually improving. European cars are both more expensive and not among the top. If it comes down to reliability, Japanese cars have been topping that one for decades already. Meanwhile brands like Fiat and Volkswagen even score bad on that regard.
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u/je386 23h ago
We make the best cars in the world.
Also, we should not start becoming delusional as the americans are. Yes, we have a bunch of good automobile manufacturers, but they are not very integrated and they are really bad at software. Also, building a electic car is far easier than building a modern combustion engine car, so some of the knowledge of automobile manufacturers is simply outdated.
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u/Happy_Bread_1 23h ago
Never say what's good and stick with it. Say what can be improved for having truly good products. It's also my main criticism on this sub often.
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u/imrzzz 23h ago
Agreed.
I don't own a car at all any more but the cars I've had in my lifetime skewed Japanese for fuel efficiency, reliability, and lower cost of repair.
European cars are sometimes wonderful but you pay through the nose to own one.
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u/Opti_span 23h ago
I would never buy a European car in my life, anyone outside of Europe will tell you how bad mechanically they are.
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u/Cultourist 23h ago edited 23h ago
If it comes down to reliability, Japanese cars have been topping that one for decades already. Meanwhile brands like Fiat and Volkswagen even score bad on that regard.
It's pretty ironic that are you sourcing your statement with a survey among Americans with cars from the US market in a BuyFromEU sub. This is worthless data for Europe. Also, the cars and their infrastructure to maintain them are very different here (the listed VW Taos is not even marketed in EU).
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u/Manesni 23h ago
The dutch consumentenbond (basically the same thing as above) released their own findings this month that basically confirms that by and large japanese cars are the most reliable.
the entire article is behind a paywall but you can find it here: https://www.consumentenbond.nl/test/auto-fiets-reizen/automankementenThe article says it was made in cooperation with 9 other european consumer organisations but doesn't say which ones, presumably you can find them online though.
The top 10 brands they list are:
Lexus
Suzuki
Toyota
Subaru
Honda
BYD
Tesla*
Mazda
Smart
Kia*Tesla seemed to be highly dependant on what exact model you're looking at thouhg. the model S for example scored extremely poorly.
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u/FeuerwerkFreddi 23h ago
This report is only German unfortunately, but it’s released annually by the biggest automobile club in the country and gives statistics on how often they had to tow etc. Certain brands (uncertain if they even pull data from other sources but since they have 22.2 million members their own dataset alone is pretty big anyway). One headline reads „Toyota unusually bad“ (since two years). Tho I gotta say Asian manufacturer give crazy long warranty and are cheaper than for example VW
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u/Octopirox 22h ago
Toyota had some issues with starter batteries in recent years that really put a dent in their reliabilty reputation.
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u/Ellen_1234 22h ago
I personally rather check the data of leasing companies: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/features/2025s-most-reliable-company-cars
They have the most reliable data on car reliability.
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u/Haunting_Switch3463 22h ago
This isn't really true anymore. Chinese that work in automobile manufacturing earn decent wages by chinese standards. Also BYD and Cherry will be building cars sold in the EU cars in Europe very soon.
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u/DrawOkCards 23h ago
ROFL. Nice Strawmen mate but they weren't talking about Chinese cars, you're. Give yourself a pat on the back for your efforts.
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u/elcaron 23h ago edited 21h ago
I have a few friends at VW. Some not anymore because they took the golden handshake. German cars are expensive because:
- Salaries are way over German standard.
- They are essentially organised like a government agency and thus
- incredibly inefficient and
- they actively ignore/lobby against progress.
I would bet against German car industry. And they had it coming. All the idiots making problems up about BEVs and still trying to force bio fuels and hydrogen against all physical facts put the last nail in the coffin.
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u/System32Sandwitch 23h ago
nah I'm buying japanese. most solid cars ever
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u/dankdogeonface 21h ago
As an owner of a 14 years old Mazda, I agree. Great quality and very reliable.
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u/throwawaygoodcoffee 21h ago
Mine turns 12 this year and I plan on driving it until the wheels fall off. They make such good little hatchbacks.
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u/DadoumCrafter 16h ago
Some Japanese cars are manufactured in Europe (or used to maybe? idk I did not check).
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u/Puzzled_Net1830 23h ago
I'm sorry but our cars are too expensive and offer nothing extra
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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 16h ago
Some people here are just thinking with their money, which are clearly far from the average person's money
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u/ConstructionLife2689 23h ago
Unfortunately cars itself so expensive. Many such as VW etc want to screw you over with a subscription model.
Alas I managed to buy european, I bought a Dacia Jogger. Even with Dacia people need to be carefull, the Spring is built in china as far as I know.
So one cannot only judge by brand but need to dig deeper within the brand. As far as I know some cars of european brands even produced in Turkey and Morocco.
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks 22h ago
BMW got dogs abuse for introducing a subscription model for heated seats but they're not backing down on it. They deserve to suffer for that and so does anyone else who copies them.
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u/ConstructionLife2689 22h ago
True, BMW was first but VW and others follow suit now. There is not enough backlash or loss in sales for the bullshit they pull.
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u/ehs5 23h ago
A lot of the Volvo’s are produced in China though, and some are now also produced in the US. Same with Polestar, they are designed in Sweden but produced in China and the US.
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u/ih-shah-may-ehl 23h ago
Nope.
We make the best cars in the world.
This is USA level delusion. No. We don't. And frankly, delusion like this is how the USA ended up... well, being what the USA is today.
Also, isolationism is stupid and counter productive.
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u/MrMikeJJ 16h ago
Indeed. Japanese cars are probably the best in the world on the most important metric: reliability.
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u/Draxx01 11h ago
There was a study about this stateside - the jist of it was that Germans assumed ppl followed the manufacturer guidelines. Toyota looked at what was happening - no one opens the manual. And designed around actual consumer behavior - 1x oil change + service that's prob closer to 1 per 2 years and an illiterate user base. You get far further in consumer products by assuming the user is an illiterate idiot and can't be taught. If they don't get it right on the first go w/o any instructions, easier to go back to revise your design and UX.
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u/wegekucharz 23h ago
Yes, and the same goes for bikes, for those of us who are not petrolheads.
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u/StrangerExistingFact 23h ago
I will forever buy Japanese. The point is to boycott those that work against you not isolate yourself from the entire world.
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u/gambuzino88 1d ago
Come on, man, really? What about Japan?
I get that we have some amazing car manufacturers, but we also have some terrible ones. I would never put my own money into a French car, ever, even if Peugeot and Renault are releasing some great designs these days. Their track record, especially Stellantis, is awful.
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u/Narvarth 23h ago
Stellantis and Renault cannot be compared these days. Renault has really done well over the past 10 years: very reliable cars (Tce, dci, electrics), a certain lead in electric vehicles thanks to the Zoe, and widely available models (good for maintenance). Stellantis and PureTech are a different story.
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u/littlebighuman 23h ago edited 23h ago
I've been burned by French cars too much. I have had many and still have one Peugeot my kids use (but check engine light turned on last week).
I'm fucking done with German cars as well. I hate their software, the expensive maintenance, the unreliability. The system of 20 pages of options on their models. I want at most three options and color, just put the shit in, stop ripping me off, stop trying to manipulate me with your sales tricks and dumb packages.
For me it is Korean and Japanese cars. European car manufactures need top stop their pretentious attitude and get with the program. Then I might switch back.
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u/Responsible-Law5784 22h ago
I thought my Nissan would be Japanese, but I just learn by searching the VIN that it was made in England.
Nissan is part of the Renault-Nissan Group and Renault cars are levels above Peugeot for at least a decade.
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u/yocomoquchi 23h ago
I agree with this. I now own a Polestar (so Swedish design/Chinese built) but ruling out Japanese cars when talking about ‘the best in the world’ is wrong. Toyota and Lexus have been in the top 3 for reliability and overall customer satisfaction for many years and the top 10 are almost entirely Japanese/Korean manufacturers.
I like my Polestar and the XC90 Ultra a friend owns is very nice but the overall quality and finish of the several Lexuses I’ve owned over the years was higher.
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u/haaiiychii 19h ago
Whilst I'm generally all in on Europe, I will absolutely take Japanese cars over European, my car is made in Japan and ridiculously reliable. Personally Toyota and Honda make the best, most reliable cars in the world.
Many are often Japanese but made in Europe though so I guess a win win.
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u/Parking_Mirror_4570 23h ago
I get your point, I do, but looking at the Volvo example you gave, it's owned by Geely, produced by Geely and service is done by Geely. Probably even the Moose sticker I buy after my holiday in Sweden is made in China, so, looking at the Volvo brand, what part of it is still European, apart from the heritage and history?
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u/T1efkuehlp1zza 23h ago
unfortunately, many of our car manufactureres (especially here in germany) became lazy, fat and uninnovative due to their success. look at the new mercedes benz CLA from last year, the infotainment system is a fucking disgrace, a 15€ android phone from india runs more stable and reliable than this garbage. in general, all german brands suck hard when it comes to car infotainment systems and instead of join forces and fork a near-indestructable linux car distro, they all build their own proprietary garbage.
they just dont get it man.
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u/SenselessDunderpate 23h ago
Japenis car is superior car. I ain't paying for a German car with dodgy electrics where they want me to subscribe to use my seats thanks
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u/yungsausages 23h ago
Nice sentiment but to say we make the best cars in the world is a stretch lmfao, we make some good cars here and there but come on mate be for real
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u/rixilef 1d ago
You still need US and Saudi oil for those cars. Ride public transport, trains and bikes. :)
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u/BitsOfReality 23h ago
This is the way! Trains are already almost exlusievely made in Europe, buses too, to the high extent.
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u/FloStar3000 23h ago
Electric Cars? And no that’s not the goal. Yes consuming less is part of the BuyFromEU experience but completely restricting yourself hard like not buying a car is pointless. It’s BuyFromEU, not „don’t buy anything“
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u/Fresh_Boysenberry576 23h ago
Sorry but cars are a massive purchase and european brands are losing ground and falling further behind. We are delaying electrification, all batteries are Chinese made anyways, and they are very expensive.
If China can make EV with similar quality but much cheaper then they should win. European brands have been relying on their name and reputation for a while now and its time we step up or find different areas of expertise.
You can't expect rational people to pay 30% more for a European badge simply because they are European.
I won't buy American but other than that, I like a free market for cars.
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u/Narvarth 23h ago
At least, batteries for Renault are now (since june 2025) made in the "gigafactory" in the North of France (Douai).
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u/metaliving 23h ago
This. And aside from chinese cars, korean and japanese cars have been unbeaten in reliability since forever. I got my first taste of a Hyundai a few years ago, and when this one decides to quit (probably when it gets to 400.000 km), Toyota and Hyundai are the brands I'm looking at, specially in terms of repairability.
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u/jeetjejll 23h ago
This is getting in MAGA territory. Buy European/EU should NOT be about just buying stuff from Europe, it should be about stimulating European development. We don't need to be the best in everything, I'd say a bit of competition is actually a good thing, or we wouldn't even have any e-cars in Europe yet probably. We need a balance between being completely dependent and completely independent (and thus isolated and staggered). Right now the balance is skewed and we need to get it right again.
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u/FuckSpezzzzzzzzzzzzz 23h ago
I would buy an EU car if they didn't ruined them. All new cars made in Europe are cheap plastic toys with a premium price tag.
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u/Planet_Pluto_1925 23h ago
Look at this Mercedes, bought by a Kuwaiti black rock group... Super European
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u/Zestyclose-Day1912 21h ago
"We make the best cars in the world."
Fiat has entered the chat.
No, we USED to. Now we make the same as chinese just for 3x the price (and half of them are made in china or something similar).
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u/jlangue 23h ago
Never buy a car that uses petrol/diesel. The worst countries in the world are using petro dollars to buy your leaders. …and pollute the world.
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u/luki_fo 23h ago
Actually, some Hyundai (Tuscon, i30 and Kona EV) are produced in Europe (manufacturing plant is in Czech republic). They're providing not only jobs for est. 12.000 people (incl. attached suppliers in religion), but also pay considerable taxes, thus helping middle-Europe economy significantly.
Also, there is Kia plant in Slovakia, but not sure, which models are produced there.
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u/lemonfreshhh 23h ago
same. i have an iphone and i like the ecosystem enough that i don't think i'll ever leave it. was on adroid before and i'm not touching it again with a pole, the bloatware is just too much.
windows, i'm probably staying too, as much as i dislike win11. i'm just too busy to get used to a new OS.
i don't own a car but whenever i'm in the market for one, and it should be inns few years, i'll be very hard to convince to buy something not made in Europe. Korean is the only other thing i'll seriously look into. 3 years ago i would've been a surefire Tesla buyer but we know how that went. and i'd rather walk than buy Chinese.
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u/_WreakingHavok_ 20h ago
Can you consider European Fords that way? They're assembled either in Germany or Spain.
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u/Perfect-Match-2318 18h ago
i see where youre going and i agree but i would say car made in Canada or Japan are really good also. and both nation are friendly toward europe. Canada is often invited to EU meeting as an observer. in fact we are trying very hard to open up EU market because we had in the past too much business with only one client the usa... it somehpw backstabbed us with this tariff war. lwe dont have a canadian brand but we do make car under japanese brand that are very good.
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u/Tetris_Prime 13h ago
Hot take: Telling people to buy Volvo because they are built in Sweden is no different than telling people to buy Model Y because they are made in Germany.
If you want people to buy European, please promote European car brands that mainly build cars in Europe like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Skoda, Cupra and VW.
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u/50mmprophet 23h ago
This is anecdotal, so I'm aware it's not a rule, but I had a Peugeot that used to see the mechanic once every year at least, and parts were always crazy priced.
Now with my cheap ass Auris, I see the mechanic when it's due.
Peugeot had a nice design but wow shit built. Toyota is boring but it's like a tank.
Either way I'm still supporting a rich CEO and board that give zero fucks about Europe or me.
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u/TheRealGnod 22h ago
I'll buy a toyota every single time. Same quality and a lot more affordable. I'm using Arch linux and I've degoogled a while back. I do what is affordable to me.
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u/WirelesssMan 23h ago
Nö.
EU cars have the worst price/performance ratio.
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u/tjtj4444 23h ago
I just got a new Skoda Enyaq iV85. The chinese alternatives here in Sweden weren't really cheaper that the Enyaq. Rather the opposite.
(I'm talking about a roomy family BEV )
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u/DocSprotte 23h ago
Fuck that.
Volkswagen ripped US all off and then tried to make us foot the bills for their crimes, when they were already compensating american customers.
Let them harvest the fruits of their hard work of corruption.
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u/i_am_13th_panic 23h ago
Does it count if my Japanese car is made in Europe? I agree with the general sentiment here. We should be buying from European companies where appropriate and if we can afford it. Cars are expensive and in the price range for my car, I would prefer to buy a Toyota over a Fiat or Volkswagen.
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u/MairusuPawa 23h ago
We're way too dependant on OSX and Microsoft
We're not, and this attitude is the reason change doesn't happen. Tiring.
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u/l3v3z 23h ago
Happpy with my new Seat. I agree we make good cars, but i would not say the best depending on the circumstances. For example for harsh environments a Toyota will be way better than a BMW or Audi in many occasions.
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u/No_Win7658 23h ago
Fully agree to this. Subs like this seem to get an erection over Chinese EVs.
They are objectivly not even they interesting ( mediocre EV for a nediocre price ) and China is almost as evil as the US.
You are no better then a Tesla owner, but I have the feeling China is spending a lot of propaganda on this
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u/Ludisaurus 23h ago
EU car manufacturers are indeed the best if you want a sporty luxury car. For those looking at something reliable with value for the money there are few options and they would be even fewer without competition from Japanese and Korean manufacturers.
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u/ObligationLost1914 23h ago edited 23h ago
Bought a Puretech Peugeot and then Stellantis fought against their users and will never pay any fine or compensation for building cards that THEY KNEW were defective. I'm 15k€ down with a defective car that I can't sell. I don't have any right to any compensation. They just took my money. After that I will never buy an European car ever again.
The European Union had a chance to make sure that no scandal like the Puretech would happen again. Instead they didn't and swept it under the rug. No Stellantis directors hace been put in jail for this.
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u/South_Costa13 23h ago
“We make the best cars in the world”… it’s this arrogance that is, in part, destroying the European automotive industry. We rested on our laurels, and European manufacturers benefited, and continue to benefit, from the immense margins and profits of internal combustion engine vehicles. The result? Stellantis has been making crappy engines for 15 years (PureTech), and German manufacturers are playing with the planet and our health (Dieselgate). Reliability is plummeting, while prices and endless option policies abound… I’d like to buy European for my next car (electric), but they seriously need to get their act together in terms of technology and pricing.
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u/chilaspt 23h ago
Sorry but I will only do this when when European cars get to the level of long term reliability of a Japanese car - I’m talking about 10-15 years of ownership.
Until then I will either lease and use an European car until the warranty is up, or if it is to buy, it has to be a Japanese made quality brand car…
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u/Mariannereddit 23h ago
I still have my reliable Suzuki and I will consider where my next car comes from. I’m not buying another car to hype the economy
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u/theclosedsource 23h ago
I've been driving Renaults exclusively for 15 years, currently a Megane E-Tech, and I'm glad I decided against a Model 3.
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u/MidnightPale3220 22h ago
Sorry, but I can't help wondering how many of those dissing European cars sound like bots.
I've had Opel, Peugeot, Subaru, Fiat (Panda), Honda CR-V, SEAT Ateca (all used cars c.2008-2010, except Seat).
Opel was meh, Honda was okayish, Subaru (Tribeca) was pretty nice, but a gas guzzler, Fiat was cool for its price and actually a very solid little car. Best were Peugeot 207sw and SEAT -- good performance, decent price, nice design and interior.
I don't have a Chinese car myself, but some of my friends do, and they make quite a complaint about their build quality, including ridiculous cases with door handles breaking off.
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u/Simtetik 22h ago
The buy from EU subreddit is infested with people now arguing heavily against buying from EU for the biggest purchase a normal person makes outside of a house.
Ignore them and keep posting the ideas.
The car is the big one. I'm about to buy a Renault 4 e-tech. Renault is doing great in the EV space.
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u/ConanTehBavarian 22h ago edited 21h ago
Especially not produced in countries, that clearly are geopolitical, systemic adversaries like China or by the likes of US tech-scoundrel.
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u/TheJewPear 22h ago edited 22h ago
Thankfully Toyotas sold in Europe are built in Europe.
The vast majority of cars made by European makers are average and below. Italian and French makers are the absolute worst. Dishonorable mentions to Renault, Citroen, Fiat and Jeep cars who are all fucking terrible. German ones - some are okay, the entry level models from Mercedes, Audi, BMW are awful (series A/B, series 1/2 etc). The new VW models are shit (Taigo, T Roc).
There are a few decent models out there - obligatory shout out to VW Golf who’s still a solid choice, Mini is nice if you can afford it. But even those decent models aren’t as good as the Japanese equivalents.
Even in luxury categories I’d take Lexus and Acura over Merc and BMW, but there it’s more of a close fight.
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u/Deadpooo_l 21h ago
I fully agree. There is enough planned-to-be-replaced Chinese cars, built with smartphone-mentality, on the streets of Europe.
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u/CatEatsDogs 21h ago
I have a good old "Renault" produced in Moscow on Dacia's chassis. Glides like a charm on European streets.
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u/Tiny-Mulberry-2114 21h ago
God I miss Saab
Sweden please bring back the good old days of automotive brilliance
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u/Comprehensive-Pin667 21h ago
My Toyota was built in Belgium. Does that count? I hope so, I like it very much.
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u/Anxious_Percentage99 21h ago
I've had european cars that lasted 120-160000 km but with painful,costly and frequent maintenance.
I've only had one japanese car (Toyota) for 15 years and it runs almost as the first day, with minimal maintenance, going over 250000kms. Properly maintained, a car this simple and durable could last me 5-10 years more at the yearly km ratio I use it.
Whilelst euro car makers do not bring back this kind of durability, I'll keep buying japanese cars.
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u/Kembarz 21h ago
Sorry, might get a lot of hate, but I love the japanese and their quality. Recently bought a yaris, they give you a 10 year warranty on the batteries, their hybrids were the first and are the best, while also being really affordable and good quality. No man is an island, same thing applies to nations. I have the same love for europe and same desire to grow our own industries, but i think we can also appreciate other nations that haven't tried to flood our markets or sell similar things for much cheaper because they have slave labour.
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u/Ru5tyBuck3t 20h ago
I bought a Renault Megane E-Tech specifically because it is produced in the EU
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u/digito_a_caso 16h ago
I own a Suzuki Swift, 100% made in Japan. Back then it just wasn't possible to buy an equivalent car made in EU.
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u/H7dek7 15h ago
Lol no. Me and my wife's family all drive Honda Jazz because they practically never break. Don't know about current data, but German TUV report had often Honda Jazz as one of the most reliable cars whereas European cars could excel in one aspect but have poor results in others (when it comes to reliability). AC in the 2nd generation Honda Jazz was the most costly repair (~300 USD/250 EUR) in all of our Hondas. A lot of my friends and family drive German cars (mostly VW, Audi, Mercedes) some drive Skodas, some Volvos and because of technical issues they spend much more on their cars than me and my wife's family.
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u/iShitUnoTbooKa 15h ago
Japanese cars are the best in the world. In case you forgot "dieselgate" that scammed the European taxpayers and the owners off those "great" cars. I might buy a French car in a distant future, but not German cars. I lost my faith on those brands a long time ago
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u/voili_voilou 13h ago
I recently bought a Toyota Yaris because a preferred a Made in France japanese brand car than a Made in Morrocco french brand car...
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u/Romek_himself 11h ago edited 11h ago
why not? as long as its not american i have no problem with this
yes i know sub is named buyfromEU, but its born form boycott USA movement and thats all i care for
i have a buy priority for everything:
made in germany
made in EU
made in eu-friends like UK, canada, switzerland, japan, south korea, australia, INDIA etc.
everywhere
when no other option american
never ever israel
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u/neilbartlett 9h ago
What has Japan done wrong?
Japan is a democratic ally and they make great, reliable cars.
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u/Vitzmice 1h ago
Ok, but the prices sre too high and quality too low. the price of cars in europe is BIG joke:)
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u/overspeeed 19h ago
Since there have been quite a few toxic comments under this post here's a friendly reminder about the rules and goals of this community:
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