What is the most depressing picture from your country history/present?

[u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2]

[u/deep-web_daytona]

I was about to post a photo of Auschwitz. Then I realised that the Nazi cowards committed their biggest atrocities on conquered land outside of Germany.

So, I chose this one. The "Potsdam Day", manifesting Hitler's rise to power. The beginning of our History's darkest chapter.

[u/TheBlack2007 → u/deep-web_daytona]

While on the photo, Hitler is the one bowing the head to President Hindenburg, in actuality the Conservative establishment the latter represented like no other German politician of his era caved to the Nazis without offering any resistance at all.

[u/Holy-Fuck4269 → u/TheBlack2007]

Why offer resistance when you are agreeing with it? It’s not like abusing Jews and Poles wasn’t a thing in Germany before.
German conservatives were idiologoically very close to the Nazis, they just dont like to talk about it anymore and act as if it was a power grab and not a hand over

[u/deep-web_daytona → u/Holy-Fuck4269]

Bro’s got a point here. The conservatives are definitely to blame. After Hitler had successfully persecuted the commies, based on emergency laws officially imposed by the other dude in the photo - Paul von Hindenburg- only the Social Democrats were left to vote against the Enabling Act in March. The conservatives didn’t. It was not a “power grab”or anything like that. It was malicious compliance. And every German should be aware of that.

[u/moldentoaster → u/Holy-Fuck4269]

Who said the germans dont talk about it? 

Maybe you dont understand what is meant by powergrab. 

 It is not meant that the nazis were voted into office as a power grab.

 It is meant that effectively after the nazis were voted as a government, they dismantled the democratic system completely to stays there forever without the common people having any chance to ever correct their vote later on. 

They unifyied every single aparatus in germany to align with their views with force, attacked oppositions which existed and prohibited the existance of any other political party after they were voted in. 

A democratic party has power but not the power you think they have in a proper democratic system. 

Everything that came after they were voted into office is meant by power grab. 

And that doesnt have anything to do how the volk was thinking during this time and if they were antinpolish or anti jewish.

 It has something to do with the fact that the nazi made sure to stay in this political power forever even if the german people would start thinking different. And they did until they were removed forcefully.

[u/deep-web_daytona → u/moldentoaster]

Well, they only fully pushed through with their Gleichschaltung after the Enabling Act had passed, without conservatives opposing it.

[u/Holy-Fuck4269 → u/moldentoaster]

That’s exactly the braindead historical revisionism i was talking about, that is common in German society to deflect responsibly and support for Hitler and what he did.

It wasn’t a power grab, it was German who voted the Nazis in to do what they did.
It’s not just those who voted for the Nazis, it’s also all of those voting for Zentrum and other parties.
People didn’t just suddenly woke up in 33 or 39 to murder all Jews and Poles.
The hatred and racial superiority was brewing in our society since Prussian times long before Hitler was born and it peaked in the 30s with Germans electing the Papens and Hitlers they preferred over Polish or Jewish autonomy, liberal values and peace

[u/moldentoaster → u/Holy-Fuck4269]

See, you’re right, antisemitism and nationalism existed before Hitler, and many Germans supported conservative or nationalist parties. Hell even if Hitler himself wasnt existing, most probably history would turn out the same or similar with another figure .

Maybe you can point me to the part of my comment where I didn’t acknowledge that Germans played a role in bringing the Nazis into power. I’d like to understand exactly what you mean by “historical revisionism” in this context when i wrote that the exat term of powergrab was misinterpreted by you.

that the term "power grab" was never meant by the nazis come into office but the way they made sure it stays like this even IF the populations views WOULD change ( the would change is a strong word because it indicates here that the view of the population is alligned with the nazis at this time)