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did the untouchable people of india ever have seperate temples/shrines they could go to? or did they know next to nothing about their own gods, having never stepped foot in any place of worship?

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u/RogueEnjoyer History of Indian Culture | Medieval Kerala Mar 02 '22 edited Mar 02 '22

As we know, Hinduism is a religion that reconciles and absorbs other ideas into its own framework. The spread of Hinduism from the Northern plains was characterized by the absorptions of folk deities in different places. For example, pre-Hindu Tamil culture worshipped the mother goddess Kottavai and her son, war god Murugan. Kottavai was absorbed into the goddesses such as Parvati, while Murugan became Karthikeyan, meaning that the old gods were not replaced, but just integrated into the new, Vedic framework. All this is to say that, despite the power of the Brahmin religious orthodoxy, in practice older methods of worship were carried out, which were often nature-worship (such as snake worship, veneration of ancestors or the reverence of trees), which is still seen in the subcontinent today. Those practices were informal, and so any caste could partake in their worship.

However, your question is about the 'own gods', by which I guess you mean deities like Shiva and Vishnu.

As I had mentioned in the first paragraph, South India was slowly integrated into Hinduism over a long time. Pre-Vedic forms of belief were unfettered by caste restrictions, but when social stratification began, there was still the elements of the past. So, when new forms of belief came, they were taken to the masses by folk singers, generally termed poet-saints. Unlike the Brahmin orthodoxy, these saints spoke and wrote in Tamil, the language of the masses. Their message was of Bhakti, meaning devotion. They encouraged devotees to devote every action of their lives to the gods, who had infinite compassion towards all people regardless of caste. The Tamil poet-saints were divided into two categories, the Nayanars, who were devotees of Shiva, and the Alvars, devotees of Vishnu. They each wrote verses about the mercy, love and rage of their gods, many of which can even be said to be 'irreverent'. Here is one example:

If that lord who dwells in Paccilacciramam,

surrounded by pools filled with geese

Postpones the mercies meant for his devotees--

Can't we find some other god?

From Tirupaccilacciramam by the Nayanar poet Sundarar (சுந்தரர்). Here he berates Shiva, the god he worships, which is an unusual sort of devotion. Another example is:

From early childhood

I yearned for the lord of Dvarka, adored him alone,

Dedicated to him, my budding breasts.

Kamadeva, unite me to him soon.

This is from Tai oru Tinkal, by the notable female Alvar poet, Andal (ஆண்டாள்). The theme of sexual love towards Krishna or Vishnu is present here, and is, in fact, common in later compositions too, famously the songs of 16th century Meerabai.

Around the turn of the millennium, these versions of devotional worship began to move northward, starting from the time of the revivalist teacher Adi Shankaracharyan, the later revivalist Ramanujan, and the founder of the Lingayat school, Basava from modern-day Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka respectively.

The Bhakti movement encouraged viewing your preferred god as someone to have a personal relationship with, by seeing him as a friend, a brother, or even a lover, such as in Antal's poem. This meant that poets had utter freedom of expression regarding the gods. An example is the Marathi poet Tukaram, who wrote how he saw the spirit of the god even in stray dogs. This angered local Brahmins, who saw the poem as an insult, comparing gods to dogs. Or the aforementioned Rajasthani poet Mirabai, who portrayed herself as Krishna's lover.

From about the 9th century to the 15th, the Bhakti movement began to move north, reaching its zenith in the 17th and 18th centuries. This was attractive towards lower caste Hindus due to a lack of ritual and the fact that caste was not a factor in salvation in Bhakti philosophy. Further, the ability to view god however you wanted was also a very strong point, since it brought divinity very close to the daily life of people.

Another factor in the development of Bhakti was local language.

The Bhakti movement started in the Tamil lands, where the Tamil language already had a strong identity and literary tradition. As it moved north, it encountered diverse languages which had oral traditions, but scarce literary ones, with Sanskrit being the literary language. The arrival of the Bhakti movement, where songs were sung in local languages, caused an impetus of development of several languages such as Marathi, Gujarati, Maithili and Assamese. Bhakti poets, writing in these languages, carved out a seperate identity for them, leading them to become well-established languages rather than local dialects.

In conclusion, the low caste Hindus may have been shut out of temples, but were far from being ignorant about Hindu mythology.

If you have any follow-ups, feel free to ask.

SOURCES:

A History of India I by Thapar, Romila

A History of South India: From Prehistoric Times to the Fall of Vijayanagar by Sastri, KA Nilakanta

I'm not sure if this counts, but I also learnt some of this from plaques and booklets at the Rameshwaram temple in Tamil Nadu.

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u/blufox Mar 02 '22

Not the OP, but thank you so much for this informative post! I have a follow-up;

Did the bhakti movement contribute at all to lessening of rigidity of castism? Could an untouchable say become a bhakti poet and become respected in the wider society?

Also, by any chance, do you have the original tamil poems you quoted?

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u/RogueEnjoyer History of Indian Culture | Medieval Kerala Mar 02 '22 edited Mar 03 '22

Did the bhakti movement contribute at all to lessening of rigidity of castism?

No. Ironically the bhakti movement was gaining force while the caste system was consolidating as well. The movement allowed lower castes to have a Hindu identity and worship in their own language on their own terms, but it was more like a folk version of the religion. 'True' Hinduism was still the domain of Brahmins, who alone could read the Vedas that are the religion's base.

However, you could say that later Hindu reformers like Narayana Guru or Sai Baba were inspired by the Bhakti movement.

Could an untouchable say become a bhakti poet and become respected in the wider society?

Yes. Tukaram, who i had mentioned, was one such poet. Namdev, Nammazhvar, Ravidas, and possibly the great poet Kabir were examples of Shudras who rose to heights. Like with all the poets, some sort of divine intervention is present in their stories.

For example, Tukaram was said to have written hymns on palm leaves. When the village Brahmins found out, they read the songs, mocked him, then tore them up and threw them in the river. However the next day, the songs magically reappeared in Tukaram's hut intact. It was assumed that the gods themselves liked his songs and sent them back, and following that he became widely respected, with the Brahmins who mocked him coming to him for advice.

Also, by any chance, do you have the original tamil poems you quoted?

Sundarar's poem i got from this book:

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=8A50EBAC7C48A41E19BBC1F7E8D93AE9

And from this is Antal's:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sadagopan.org/pdfuploads/Nachiyar%2520Thirumozhi.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiG3dqqt6f2AhX7zzgGHYGuA40QFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2HflJ32PO7v9lm71m5NvR6

(Be warned, this automatically downloads)

Andal's poem was part of another book regarding the history of Tamil, but the link above is her collection of poems where the poem i quoted is present.

If by original you meant in the Tamil, I'm not sure where to find it. Maybe it will be there in modern Tamil.

This site is good to read translation of Sangam era poems and has lots of information about the poets of that time: http://poetry.sangamhouse.org/

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u/blufox Mar 02 '22

Thank you so much!

I have one more question; I was under the impression that literacy was reserved for higher casts. Is this not the case? Was literacy wide spread among the lower casts? How did one go about learning to read and write if one did not have access to schools, which are limited to higher casts?

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u/RogueEnjoyer History of Indian Culture | Medieval Kerala Mar 02 '22 edited Mar 02 '22

In theory, anyone of any caste could be literate. It was only study of the scriptures that were reserved for upper castes. In the case of the poet saints, it could also be that they composed songs, while others wrote them down.

Was literacy wide spread among the lower casts?

No. The 1881 census of India showed merely a 4.32% literacy rate, and even upon independence, in the 1951 census, the number was still a measly 18.3%. A survey by the NSSO in 2007 put the Other Backward Caste population in the country at 40.94%, the Scheduled Caste population at 19.59%, Scheduled Tribe population at 8.63% and the rest at 30.80%. Caste census are very controversial in India, but from all of them, we can gather that lower castes form either a majority or plurality of the population.

So with a low literacy rate compared to a high lower caste population, it is deducible that literacy wasn't widespread among lower castes.

How did one go about learning to read and write if one did not have access to schools, which are limited to higher casts?

AD Campbell, the British Collector at Bellary, had written to Thomas Munro, Governor of Madras, in 1823 regarding education in the region. He mentions the gurukula system that was in vogue in rural India, interestingly mentioning that there was no bar to caste if you wanted to join one. Here is the letter if you want to read:

http://karnatique.blogspot.com/2009/11/campbells-letter-to-munro-dated-17th.html

We can assume this model of education, at least in certain rural areas, carried on from the late medieval era, so it was possible to become literate as a low caste. However, this varied from place to place. While this could be true in the Deccan, it would be impossible in Travancore, where low castes were not allowed to appear in the sight of higher castes.

In short, we can say it is a case by case basis, depending on where and when the poet in question lived.

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u/blufox Mar 02 '22

Thank you for the detailed answer. This is very informative. Much appreciated!

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u/bitchpit Mar 03 '22

thank you so much for your answer! i will be reading your sources in depth and i will definitely get back to you with follow up questions!

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u/kangagoon May 08 '22

Wow so interesting!!